darklordoftech

When a character in KOTOR says, "Shut up about Revan and Malak. Kun and Ulic were far worse."

moviefreakedmind said:

darklordoftech said:

I don't get:

1. How would a Sith be any less of a rehash than an Imperial? How is the ansence of the Sith "taking things in a new direction" if the absence of the Empire isn't? How is Star Wars about Jedi vs. Sith yet not about Rebels vs. Empire?

2. Why can't a Force-user call themselves an Imperial? You can have Imperials without the Empire.

 Also, does a force user who is not necessarily evil, but just morally not in line with the Jedi (like if Han Solo in ANH were a force user) have to automatically be a Sith Lord?

Absolutely not. Not everybody who disagrees with the President is a member of Al-Qaeda. One of my biggest criticisms of the EU is that everyone who disagrees with the leading Jedi Master of the time becomes a Sith Lord.

I don't get:

1. How would a Sith be any less of a rehash than an Imperial? How is the ansence of the Sith "taking things in a new direction" if the absence of the Empire isn't? How is Star Wars about Jedi vs. Sith yet not about Rebels vs. Empire?

2. Why can't a Force-user call themselves an Imperial? You can have Imperials without the Empire.

moviefreakedmind said:

Regarding the matte lines, I think there are some battles that really aren't worth fighting, and assuming that they're actually mounting a restoration project on the OUT, it's probably fairly likely that they are going to do something about the matte lines. There comes a point when expectations become pretty unrealistic, and I personally won't let missing matte lines (as long as the compositing is unchanged) ruin the OUT for me. I absolutely believe that the film should be preserved in it's original form as well as preserved digitally in it's original form (matte lines and all), but minor digital enhancements to the home video releases such as removing matte lines are just something that we probably are going to have to put up with. I'm not saying that it's bad or too much to ask to want the movie with matte lines, but I just don't think we should get our hopes up too high because that generally leads to disappointment. Who knows though, I'd love to be proven wrong and see the Rancor with all his matte lines, but I just don't want to have any real expectations given how much we've been disappointed over the past couple decades. 

Nobody complained about the matte lines in 77/80/83, and they're not noticable to the average person, so why would Disney/LFL bother removing them?

supersonic395 said:

A quick question, if they did a 4K restoration of the UOT, but ONLY actually corrected the lightsabers (& mattes), would anyone really be upset?

I wouldn't care personally, but I still think that it would be wrong. The matte lines are part of the OOT and therefore should be included in anything marketed as the OOT.

Nothing would anger me more than if the OOT doesn't get released and VII still gets praised for not being the prequels. Until the OOT gets released, we are living in the prequel era.

moviefreakedmind said:

darklordoftech said:

moviefreakedmind said:

At the very least, the black escape pod door is back to blue; there was a picture of it in RMW's video.

Strange considering how 04/11 looking the lightsabers are. 

 I know, that's what worries me...

What I actually meant is that it's strange that one SE correction (the lightsabers) is present while another (the escape pod color) isn't. I don't see any reason to go back to the blue escape pod. The only explanations that I can think of are:

1. There was a 4k scan and the lightsabers corrections were applied to it but no other changes were.

2. Somebody has a hard-on for the 04 versions.

3. The 4k scans were completed and SEized prior to the creation of the 2011 versions.

Interestingly, the lightsabers are much duller-colored than in the 04 and 11 versions.

moviefreakedmind said:

At the very least, the black escape pod door is back to blue; there was a picture of it in RMW's video.

Strange considering how 04/11 looking the lightsabers are. 

crissrudd4554 said:

darklordoftech said:

TV's Frink said:

Why is this thread still going?

because this website was created in order to get the OOT released, and this thread is about the OOT getting released.

 And yet we do all this discussing on whether the 97 versions will get released or some super dooper scruffy nerfheder dianoga wampa deluxe completed version!!!

I can live without the 97 versions. Something that I'd much rather see than the 97 versions is the mono mix. It was what most people heard in 1977 and therefore is part of the 1977 experience. 

moviefreakedmind said:

I agree, and also (we can't know about this for sure) but hopefully that means the weird purple tint when they're on the death star is gone too. At the very least, the black escape pod door is back to blue; there was a picture of it in RMW's video.

I'd bet that the Death Star purple tint was how the blue tint looked when applied to the walls of the Death Star. I definitely hope that it's gone.

moviefreakedmind said:

Well, Red Letter Media did do a commentary on Star Wars (DVD) and he just tore all the changes apart, it was great. In one of the reviews, I've forgotten which, he said that the SE's were "offensive", I think he described it as something along the lines of, "you're trying to watch the movie, and they keep shoving more shit on the screen to distract you," and if I remember right he referred to Lucas as nothing but a child waving his arms around for attention or something. I guess that's all that really needs to be said about the SE's, but if you want to hear him pick apart specific changes then check out that commentary track, it's on their website I think.

I'll listen to it. That sounds wonderful.

One thing that I'm extremely happy about is that the wretched blue tint is gone. That blue tint and thise crushed blacks truly ruin the movies for me.

RMW's 4k scan makes me very curious. When did it start? What do/did they plan to use it for?

Since our case for the OOT is largely based on the principle that movies should always be available in their theatrical versions, shouldn't the unaltered prequels be available as well? Puppet Yoda might suck, but at the end of the day, revisionism is revisionism.

I wish that Plinkett would review the blu-rays. The SEs deserve 10x the hate that the prequels get.

moviefreakedmind said:

A common misconception that I think has been unaddressed in most places is that people who are unaware of the SE v. OT debate are going to refuse to buy the original trilogy. The fact that it's  an OUT release for the first time in almost 20 years (I don't count the GOUT) will get everyone who wants the unaltered versions but accepts the SE versions, as well as everyone like us who hates the current SE, to purchase the new release. Anyone who doesn't know anything about it isn't going to say, "Oh, this is the original version, I don't want that I want the one where the CGI dinosaur walks in front of the screen." The argument that "everyone who grew up with the SE knows that as their version of Star Wars," is also invalid because we were all pretty excited when the SE came out, and we knew the original as our version. Also, the argument that most people don't care about the new changes goes both ways because anyone who doesn't care about added CGI is not going to care about the added CGI's mysterious disappearance either. My point is, some people seem to think that because a lot of people are used to the SE, they will for some reason be offended by the OUT, and I just don't think that's the case, because most of the changes are just really stupid, and no one will be devastated by their removal.

I love this post beyond words. It's one of the greatest posts that I've ever seen.

CatBus said:

JediZombie said:

I doubt casual fans care one way or the other. 

Many casual fans, particularly younger ones, have never seen the original Star Wars trilogy.  Which really indicates the need for a term for people who call themselves Star Wars fans, but who aren't in fact fans of the Star Wars trilogy, since the term "Star Wars fan" is already taken by those who are.  Too many Star Warses.

If you showed the OOT to these "fans", how do you know that they would dislike it?

JediZombie said:

I doubt casual fans care one way or the other. 

Thank you! This is what I've been trying to say!

TV's Frink said:

darklordoftech said:

Some here seem to think that TFN represents the casual fan.

 Who thinks that?

People who say things like "casual fan prefer the SEs over the OOT".

Some here seem to think that TFN represents the casual fan. I really don't get that. Why would TFN be any more representative of the casual fan than we are?

unamochilla2 said:

darklordoftech said:

StarThoughts said:

I don't think there is more demand for the OUT than the SE. I just think the people who want the original are more vocal than the people who are either content with the SE or don't know the difference.

But there's definitely more people who prefer the OOT than there are people who prefer the SE, so if Disney's going to emphasize one, it's going to be the OOT.

Not that I don't believe you, but how do you know there's more people who prefer the OOT than the SE?  That's certainly the case on this site, but what about the casual fan?

I haven't met any casual fans who prefer the SE, and a vocal minority tends to indicate an apathetic majority, not a majority with the opposite opinion.

StarThoughts said:

I don't think there is more demand for the OUT than the SE. I just think the people who want the original are more vocal than the people who are either content with the SE or don't know the difference.

But there's definitely more people who prefer the OOT than there are people who prefer the SE, so if Disney's going to emphasize one, it's going to be the OOT.

moviefreakedmind said:

I assume it'll be like the GOUT, not quality-wise, but in a sense that it's the second disc for each movie

I can promise you that the OOT will be the first disc for each movie. It's clear that there's more demand for the OOT than for any version of the SE. If the included SE versions are worth silver, the OOT is worth gold.

lovelikewinter said:

My perfect Star Wars Trilogy

Star Wars

1977 and 1981 crawls via seamless breaching

70mm, Stereo and Mono mixes

Deleted Scenes

Trailers

The Making of Star Wars Vintage Doc

Cantina Drunk Driving PSA

The Star Wars Holiday Special (SD)

The Empire Strikes Back

Deleted and extended scenes

Trailers

SFX: Making of ESB

Mark Hamil on the Muppet Show

Ralph McQuarrie Tribute

Return of the Jedi

Deleted and Extended Scenes

Trailers

Classic Creatures: Return of the Jedi

Lapti Nek music video

C-3PO and R2-D2 on Sesame Street

From the Vaults

Empire of Dreams

From Star Wars to Jedi

Lucas VHS interview

Previous DVD extras

Then the Ewok Films on a separate Blu-Ray in HD.  

 

If they also include both the 35mm and 70mm mixes for ESB, this truly is the perfect set. The awesomeness if this cannot be put into words.

moviefreakedmind said:

Ultimately, this rumor will never be debunked/confirmed unless it's by Disney/Lucasfilm themselves. The only speculation (except for here at least) online is being done by people who are completely ignorant of, but still obsessed with, the distribution rights "issue", and it's pretty annoying.

Agreed 100%.

TV's Frink said:

Why is this thread still going?

because this website was created in order to get the OOT released, and this thread is about the OOT getting released.

The inclusion of parts of the mono mix in ANH SE.