dark_jedi

OK, here is a new 720p sample, I like the crawl much better in this version, not sure if it will get any better, if you look closely on the V3 DVD, or even the GOUT for that matter, it is not perfect either, and as before, I NEED feedback and ideas, this version was encoded at a much higher bitrate than all previous samples.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/4je0jo

http://www.sendspace.com/file/eke35f

http://www.sendspace.com/file/qpvjl3

OK so I need some input on these MeGUI x264 tunings, I see these as options,

Default
Film
Animation
Grain
PSNR
SSIM
Fast Decode

what do these mean and do to the encoded video? namely the Film & Grain settings, I assume I would use one of these or Default?

Thanks

OK so I need some input on these MeGUI x264 tunings, I see these as options,

Default
Film
Animation
Grain
PSNR
SSIM
Fast Decode

what do these mean and do to the encoded video? namely the Film & Grain settings, I assume I would use one of these or Default?

Thanks

Dufusyte said:

I don't know the inner workings of the script either, and whether it is hardcoded for a specific resolution.  Sounds like the following suggestion would not be workable, but I will throw it out there anyway, since suggestions are being solicited.

1. Step 1: Upscale the GOUT using your favorite upscaler.
   
   
2. Step 2: Run the magic avisynth script to clean it up and tweak it.  (This might not work on an upscaled video if the resolution is hardcoded in the script though, or if certain parameters are resolution dependent)
   
   
3. Step 3: If the video was extra-upscaled in Step 1, then user your favorite down-scaler to downscale the video to the desired target resolution.
   
   

I guess my main suggestion is just to try running the cleanup script after the upres, rather than vice versa.  Hope this helps.

I am actually trying this out right now, so far I have learned it runs slower, and it does "seem" to look pretty good, I will encode a sample in a bit and try it out on my HDTV soon.

Well I am running out of ideas fast on this 720p V3 "possible" set LOL, I have a few more things to try but nothing so far is really working out on the complete movie, some scenes look really good, while others not so, one sample I tried I thought this is it! but then I got to a shot of Star Destroyers in space and they looked like friggin cartoons where the lighted area were, I am running another sample now and this does not look to bad so far, we will see, so throw out some ideas if you have any.

How are you getting an 80 GB file? my Lag files range from 22-24 GB's.

If you look at the script the anti-aliasing is done while it is upscaled, then followed by the resize, crop, add borders, not sure if I fully understand what you are saying.

The resize, crop, addborders, is your final DVD resolution, are you sure you place that code after that line, this should be before your final sizing, not after, at least they way I am thinking, I thought you want to blow up the image, do all your shit to it, then bring it all back down, if that line is after, then you are doing all your shit to it, bringing to DVD resolution, then blowing it up.

LeeThorogood said:

it was suggested in another thread that the end result might look better if I upscale the GOUT to 2x Anamorphic PAL resolution first then apply the colour grading after which I can scale back down to Anamorphic PAL resolution.

Can you show a sample of where you placed and how you placed this in g-force's script, this double or triple upscaling before filtering?

Dufusyte said:

LeeThorogood said:

is that still just the raw GOUT upscaled or have you now moved onto upscaling the V3?

fwiw, the best practice for upscaling is to first upscale the raw data (preferably even larger than your final target), then perform all cleanup/tweak scripts on the overly large video, and then shrink the video down to your target size. 

The reasoning is:

1. Blow up the raw data (even "extra" blow it up); this preserves as much of the raw data as possible.  For example, if the raw data is 480, and your final target is 1080, then you might over blow it up from 480 to 2160 (twice the final target res) in this step.
   
   
2. Perform clean-up and tweaks on the blown up video; this performs the data improvement on the overly blown up video
   
   
3. Shrink back down to your target resolution (shrink from 2160 to 1080).  This final shrink will increase the sharpness and hide any artifacts that might have been produced by the tweaks in step 2.

 

The erroneous procedure would be:

1. First run the clean up and tweaks on the raw data.  This will reduce the raw data (lose some light and dark detail, etc)
   
   
2. Then blow up the tweaked video to the final target.  This will blow up any artifacts that were intoduced by the clean up and tweaks in Step 1.  Plus it will be blowing up degraded data, since some of the raw data was destroyed in Step 1.

This all sounds good but most of us don't really know what to mess with on g-force's script to do this, he said everything on it works together with each other the way it is, I just looked it over and really don't know where to even start to add those kind of settings, but I would definitely try it out if I did though, so right now I am doing everything afterwords.

I pretty much realized though that I should probably stick with 720p, this will still look better than the V3 DVD, plus I want to add ALL audio files to it that are on the V3 DVD, but with the Blu you will have a selection of Dolby Digital or LPCM.

Here's another link to ChainsawAsh's Star Wars VHS Covers,

http://www.sendspace.com/file/s47kh7

Here is a 1080p sample, still have more to try, if you have suggestions,please let me know.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/0oq8bn

http://www.sendspace.com/file/s4nsab

The Aluminum Falcon said:

dark_jedi said:

LeeThorogood said:

Great work on the upscaling dark_jedi! I know you are only playing around/testing things at the moment but I am curious if you know roughly how long it would take to upscale the whole film using the latest method? One last question on the latest sample is that still just the raw GOUT upscaled or have you now moved onto upscaling the V3?

it would take about 6 hours for 720p and about 10 hours for 1080p, times 3 obviously for all movies give or take an hour or two.

That's pretty fast! Are you planning on releasing these the same time you release the regular V3 Set?

LOL, let's not get ahead of ourselves here, I need input from these samples I post, have you looked at the latest? I will have a 1080p sample up in a few minutes, I need input, plus I am trying more things, there is 1 member in in specific I wish I could collaborate with but I am pretty sure he is against a Blu-ray release, but I sure could use his help for just a bit.

So give me some idea's and feedback here, I can't just take whatever and make that my final, I really want to do a 1080p release but if I have to, I will settle for the wimpier 720p.

Also that time is for rendering the avi file, that is not encoding.

LeeThorogood said:

Great work on the upscaling dark_jedi! I know you are only playing around/testing things at the moment but I am curious if you know roughly how long it would take to upscale the whole film using the latest method? One last question on the latest sample is that still just the raw GOUT upscaled or have you now moved onto upscaling the V3?

it would take about 6 hours for 720p and about 10 hours for 1080p, times 3 obviously for all movies give or take an hour or two.

rogueOne said:

And now that Ash has confirmed the layer change is awkwardly placed, that might be the only real change I'd suggest before you release Star Wars V3 to the masses.

There is nothing I can do about the LB, I stated that above, I have only used IMGBurn and there were no other options, when I upload I will just upload them as a file not an Image.

I really don't know what else to do about that, because even the chapters move out as well, again those cells were ripped with PGCDemux and DVDDecrypter(they both were exactly the same by the way) and for some reason friggin DVDLab Pro is mucking them up, just don't get it, another thing that I will have MUCH more control over on a Blu-ray Disc.

zombie84 said:

Is there really any advantage to upscaling an LD to HD rather than just letting your player do it? Or does the quality vary according to the quality of your player?

It's not really LD, it is the GOUT V3 I am using, these DVD's are way better than any LD cap I have done, and I have ran several tests on this and by me processing these files on my PC rather than letting the player upscale, it looks way better, but as I emphasized at least a couple times above, is it perfect, hell no, but it looks better than an upscaled V3 DVD, and that is my goal, plus with Blu-ray, I am not as limited with extra content like a DVD, this project is not for everyone I understand that, but I know for certain, because I have communicated with a few, that there are some here that are interested as much as I.

ChainsawAsh said:

--edit--

Yep, that's the layer break.  It doesn't show up on the player in my bedroom, but it does show up on the one in the living room.  It's pretty awkward, actually - it's smack in the middle of Vader's line ("Rebellion").

 

Then that is why I can't see it(or hear it) my player plays right through no problems, I could not see any setting on the latest IMGBurn to force a different LB, and I chose Cell 28 which is what it is in on the GOUT SW DVD, damn I hate that friggin LB, is there any other program that lets you set it exact? I wonder if having ALL them audio options on there made it different as far as IMGBurn is concerned?

I don't know what to tell you about the subs and the menu, Sluggo made the menu images for me, and they were JUST, and I mean just inside the safe area, I almost had to PM him and ask for new ones, and my Mits 65" HDTV Diamond does not show the pic like that at all, everything is inside beautiful, fits just right, I think maybe your TV might be doing a little to much over scan, because I have no idea how to fix that when I do not see it on my end, I will look into the audio though, as I read ChainsawAsh is as well.

Here is a new 720p sample done differently than the other sample, keep in mind the source please, so this will NEVER be perfect HD obviously, again, all I want to achieve here is making this look better than the V3 DVD being upconverted by the players, but this looks a lot better than the last sample and it is of low bitrate as well, but I made it longer, the crawl looks better but not perfect, all these problems are on the V3 DVD as well you just can't see them without blowing it up, well here are the links, let me know.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/iwsmro

http://www.sendspace.com/file/vb8so5

So do all my DVD players and Blu-ray players, that is why I thought this was a thing of the past.

well I still have other options to try out, but it seems like it is all the out in space scenes that have issues.

That is the exact same one I have.

OK it is playing fine now on my PS3, demux the video and audio from the stream and remux into AVCHD, don't know why it worked, but it did.

That is the biggest problem I keep running into, the way the crawl breaks apart towards the top, and the funky glow on Tantiv IV's engines as it goes by, if I could just figure that out.

Yes it won't play on PS3, I just tried it to and get same error, I am working on finding out why now.

The Aluminum Falcon said:

That's what I tried to do, DJ. It didn't work. The stream appeared as unsupported.

Do you have Tsmuxer on your PC? if so try taking the sample and loading it into that, and making a AVCHD file instead of Blu-ray, maybe the PS3 needs something different, I have a PS3 but test on my Sony BDP-S350 standalone player, it is worth a shot PS3's are so damn finicky.