asterisk8 said:
dark_jedi said:
You know this is a funny thing, when George Lucas did the SE's everyone complained about what he added(not all, but most) but it is OK for someone else to add things that are not supposed to be there, this is considered cool, go figure
You're not the first person to point that out, dark_jedi. It's a tired argument, because we're talking about two entirely different scenarios here.
In the first, we have the director going back to his original work and changing and adding things and then essentially promoting his revisions as replacements. The fan backlash was because Lucas had, and continues to have, no respect for the original versions of his trilogy. You have to look at the negative fan reaction in that context. If LFL hadn't failed to fix simple things like pink light sabers and transparent speeders, I don't think a ronto crossing the frame for 2 seconds would've seemed that egregious.
In the second, we have a subculture of Star Wars fans who've taken inspiration from the original films and attempted to balance out the changes made in the special editions -- either by minimizing them, or supplementing them by fixing obvious things that weren't fixed.
Statements like "everyone" complained about the SE but is fine with adywan's changes is false, because we're not necessarily talking about the same people complaining once but not again. I think it's more likely that those most outspoken against the SE changes are also not fans of a lot adywan's changes either. Whereas I think the majority of people here fall somewhere in the middle. They want changes that make sense, changes that enhance the continuity and believability of the films, changes that draw you into that world more.
The final difference, to return to the ronto example, is that the most hated changes in the SE tend to be the computer-generated creatures, because they just do not age as well as models. Adywan added a real trooper crossing the frame, not a glossy CG creature that stands out as clearly coming from a different age of film making.
Let me be clear: I'm not arguing that you don't have a right to dislike a change. But I take issue with supporting that opinion by effectively calling people here hypocrites (my word not yours, but the intent of your post suggests it).
EDIT: ray_afraid came in and said essentially the same thing that I did in a lot fewer words. Oh well. :-)
For starters, I was agreeing with Jeyl, but you single me out, well that is very cool of you, but whatever, who cares, I don't.
Then you tell me it is a tired argument, again to you, not me, I do not follow every single thing said at ALL times in this thread, or any thread for that matter, which it seems you do?
Then you point out I said "everyone", well Sir you must have FAILED to read what was in the (), again very cool, but OK.
Then you tell me you are going to be clear with me, to tell me you are not arguing your point, sure you are dude, and if you go back and read what was in the () you will see I am NOT calling everyone a "hypocrite" as you put it, but I am not naive enough to think there are none in this thread, are you?
ray_afraid, who is that?
In closing, what the hell is wrong with people pointing out things they do not like? Ady is not GOD, I am sure he can make mistakes to just like the rest of us, not ALL of his decisions are going to be liked by everyone, I am sure even he knows this, but I guess anywhere you go there will always be ass kissers, you can find them anywhere you go, and don't act like you do not know what they are LOL.
