dahmage

Him?

JEDIT: way too slow of a response, ignore please

When IX comes out I fully expect everyone who hates it to say that they actually liked the Last Jedi in some regards.

Because I think that’s what everyone did when the Last Jedi came out when speaking about TFA.

“At least the previous film (which I hated until this new movie came out) did xyz correct”.

Tobar said:

DominicCobb said:

In my mind the only thing close to a solution for Disney/LFL is to move entirely beyond the existing characters, so at least there will be one less factor that comes with a lot of emotional baggage for fans.

Or, you know, they could have treated the legacy characters right. Never getting to see the big three reunited just one more time on screen will always be unforgivable. That is one area the ST bungled from the beginning.

To your point, I agree and think a lot of the fervor will die down once the original cast are done post IX.

but that’s just it that might have been right for you but I would have been very annoyed by that type of ST. Putting the big three together would have felt extremely fanservicey in my opinion.

Do people really care about the MCU that much though? As far as I can tell it is just a fun ride for the vast majority. :shrug:

I am sure it’s least 50% (probably 80%) of anything called fan anger is something for those fans to work out. Not something any director did to them.

snooker said:

I was more specifically thinking about the Cantina, there’s a few guys at the bar and a special edition alien (one of the ones that replaces wolfman).

Yeah, it’s closest to a water pipe. But vaping fits now too!

snooker said:

I realised the other day that Vaping is canon in Star Wars.

I don’t know what to do with this information.

Lol.

Now since this is obviously just a “you hate the Last Jedi” thread I am done posting here.

BiggsFan44 said:

dahmage said:

BiggsFan44 said:

dahmage said:

BiggsFan44 said:

Mocata said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Okay, this is where I stop, because all of this is 100% “I don’t like the ST so I’m going to rail against it and find every avenue I can to attack it” and not a discussion of keeping canonical cohesion of a saga across multiple decades and filmmakers. Which is the discussion I was hoping to find when I opened this thread.

I’m amazed this thread is still going, but thanks for the break down of what is really going on in all of these monolithic quote trees. Not liking the ST is fine. But claiming the real reason they don’t work is because they don’t follow the prequels enough is just bonkers. Nobody was going to pay however many millions to invite comparisons to that debacle. Things that leave a bad taste need a strong pallet cleanser after all.

Since you brought it up, I’d say that “debacle” is a much more accurate description of the ST (so far) than the PT.
It doesn’t get more cringeworthy than than the unfortunate juxtaposition of Rose’s “saving what we love” speech with the laser blasting “what they love” in center frame as they lean in for the kiss.

And people thought “I don’t like sand” was bad. Yeesh.

Stop, my sides are hurting.

Do you honestly disagree?

I don’t know if there’s much point in me clarifying. but yes I 100% disagree and I really think you did not understand what actually was happening in that scene with rose and Finn.

I get that some people think that finn might have actually destroyed the laser but I think that that is the wrong conclusion and I am not alone.

Had she not redirected his misguided heroics he would have ended up dead and the laser would have still blown through the door. Not a winning strategy to have your few remaining Rebels die ‘heroically’.

Right, but the point is that it was poorly communicated and left you to puzzle it out later.
Like, I could say that the point of the sand line is that Anakin came from Tatooine, but you wouldn’t think that that makes it better.

And also, the jarring tonal clash is still there even in your version, since the laser was apparently going to kill “what we love” either way.

you are the first person that I’ve heard of describing this as a ‘tonal clash’.

Watching the movie we know that the rebels are in Dire Straits. But I think everyone watching a movie also believes that somehow they will survive. Because it’s a movie and you don’t kill off all the rebels.

so even though people watching a movie or expected to feel like “oh no what are they going to do now”. I certainly did not feel like they were absolutely destroyed at the point that the laser blasted and just meant that they would have to try something else.

BiggsFan44 said:

dahmage said:

BiggsFan44 said:

dahmage said:

BiggsFan44 said:

Mocata said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Okay, this is where I stop, because all of this is 100% “I don’t like the ST so I’m going to rail against it and find every avenue I can to attack it” and not a discussion of keeping canonical cohesion of a saga across multiple decades and filmmakers. Which is the discussion I was hoping to find when I opened this thread.

I’m amazed this thread is still going, but thanks for the break down of what is really going on in all of these monolithic quote trees. Not liking the ST is fine. But claiming the real reason they don’t work is because they don’t follow the prequels enough is just bonkers. Nobody was going to pay however many millions to invite comparisons to that debacle. Things that leave a bad taste need a strong pallet cleanser after all.

Since you brought it up, I’d say that “debacle” is a much more accurate description of the ST (so far) than the PT.
It doesn’t get more cringeworthy than than the unfortunate juxtaposition of Rose’s “saving what we love” speech with the laser blasting “what they love” in center frame as they lean in for the kiss.

And people thought “I don’t like sand” was bad. Yeesh.

Stop, my sides are hurting.

Do you honestly disagree?

I don’t know if there’s much point in me clarifying. but yes I 100% disagree and I really think you did not understand what actually was happening in that scene with rose and Finn.

I get that some people think that finn might have actually destroyed the laser but I think that that is the wrong conclusion and I am not alone.

Had she not redirected his misguided heroics he would have ended up dead and the laser would have still blown through the door. Not a winning strategy to have your few remaining Rebels die ‘heroically’.

Right, but the point is that it was poorly communicated and left you to puzzle it out later.
Like, I could say that the point of the sand line is that Anakin came from Tatooine, but you wouldn’t think that that makes it better.

If you agree, then why do you still believe /post otherwise? I am left to believe you are trolling this site.

BiggsFan44 said:

dahmage said:

BiggsFan44 said:

Mocata said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Okay, this is where I stop, because all of this is 100% “I don’t like the ST so I’m going to rail against it and find every avenue I can to attack it” and not a discussion of keeping canonical cohesion of a saga across multiple decades and filmmakers. Which is the discussion I was hoping to find when I opened this thread.

I’m amazed this thread is still going, but thanks for the break down of what is really going on in all of these monolithic quote trees. Not liking the ST is fine. But claiming the real reason they don’t work is because they don’t follow the prequels enough is just bonkers. Nobody was going to pay however many millions to invite comparisons to that debacle. Things that leave a bad taste need a strong pallet cleanser after all.

Since you brought it up, I’d say that “debacle” is a much more accurate description of the ST (so far) than the PT.
It doesn’t get more cringeworthy than than the unfortunate juxtaposition of Rose’s “saving what we love” speech with the laser blasting “what they love” in center frame as they lean in for the kiss.

And people thought “I don’t like sand” was bad. Yeesh.

Stop, my sides are hurting.

Do you honestly disagree?

I don’t know if there’s much point in me clarifying. but yes I 100% disagree and I really think you did not understand what actually was happening in that scene with rose and Finn.

I get that some people think that finn might have actually destroyed the laser but I think that that is the wrong conclusion and I am not alone.

Had she not redirected his misguided heroics he would have ended up dead and the laser would have still blown through the door. Not a winning strategy to have your few remaining Rebels die ‘heroically’.

This is why this is a troll thread you only seem to want to disagree with people and not really discuss interesting things.

Possessed said:

Wrong again folks

I insist you be banned again for making us wrong.

Just kidding, thank you mods for lifting the ban.

ChainsawAsh said:

dahmage said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Handman said:

Wait, your name isn’t Ash?

On the off-chance this isn’t a joke, nope, it’s not! There are a few users on here that now my real name. It’s actually in the ESB:R credits instead of my username, too, if I remember right.

I before your real name?

Except after C!

Glad you got the joke I wasn’t sure how to make.

Yay, welcome back good sir.

Drop your painties sir William. I cannot wait till lunchtime.

BiggsFan44 said:

Mocata said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Okay, this is where I stop, because all of this is 100% “I don’t like the ST so I’m going to rail against it and find every avenue I can to attack it” and not a discussion of keeping canonical cohesion of a saga across multiple decades and filmmakers. Which is the discussion I was hoping to find when I opened this thread.

I’m amazed this thread is still going, but thanks for the break down of what is really going on in all of these monolithic quote trees. Not liking the ST is fine. But claiming the real reason they don’t work is because they don’t follow the prequels enough is just bonkers. Nobody was going to pay however many millions to invite comparisons to that debacle. Things that leave a bad taste need a strong pallet cleanser after all.

Since you brought it up, I’d say that “debacle” is a much more accurate description of the ST (so far) than the PT.
It doesn’t get more cringeworthy than than the unfortunate juxtaposition of Rose’s “saving what we love” speech with the laser blasting “what they love” in center frame as they lean in for the kiss.

And people thought “I don’t like sand” was bad. Yeesh.

Stop, my sides are hurting.

DuracellEnergizer said:

The 7th of October, I’d wager.

That’s dumb.

ChainsawAsh said:

Handman said:

Wait, your name isn’t Ash?

On the off-chance this isn’t a joke, nope, it’s not! There are a few users on here that now my real name. It’s actually in the ESB:R credits instead of my username, too, if I remember right.

I before your real name?

when is possesseds’ ban going to be over?

BiggsFan44 said:

dahmage said:

BiggsFan44 said:

This was kind of a ramble, but it’s something i’ve been wanting to get off my chest for a while. Any thoughts?

Do you feel better now that you aired your ST hate?

See my previous replies to this question, please.
Perhaps the one where I talk about Anakin.

.

DuracellEnergizer said:

Handman said:

Wait, you’re name isn’t Ash?

No, it’s Chainsaw.

ALLOL. :clap clap clap:

DuracellEnergizer said:

Tobar said:

So someone used the Deepfakes software on footage from Star Trek Continues. It’s…fascinating.

When the simspsons scrolled into view I was expecting to see deep fake used on it.

I am very sad that Spock’s face wasn’t faked onto Maggie’s.

And we know it can be done, Spock’s has been on the simspsons.

BiggsFan44 said:

This was kind of a ramble, but it’s something i’ve been wanting to get off my chest for a while. Any thoughts?

Do you feel better now that you aired your ST hate?

ElegantAlchemist said:

I think i’ve found the right file on a.b.starwars but it’s asking for a password. Is this common knowledge?

I’m struggling to find a download link - I want the 2160p DNR version only. Don’t have MySpleen access. Doesn’t seem to be freely(?) up on a.b.starwars - one I can find looks like it needs a password. Any tips on where to look? Maybe someone could PM me a .nzb file?

Thanks

pretty sure the DNR version hasn’t made it to usenet yet… and there would be no password.

NeverarGreat said:

BiggsFan44 said:

Shopping Maul said:

BiggsFan44 said:
Good perspective. Just to clarify, I’m also talking about the idea of certain pieces of the canon not respecting other pieces even though they are supposed to be 9 parts of one story, which is slightly different from recasting etc.
On the topic of Trek, it’s funny that you mention scale, since now that I know that the saucer set in First Contact was not full size it bugs me, even though you can’t tell in the film that it is only 70 percent of the full size.

But Star Wars has been disrespecting its own canon from day one. In the first film Luke, who had an obvious crush on Princess Leia, was the son of a war hero who’d been killed by Darth Vader. In the next film Lucas suddenly decided Vader was actually Luke’s father. Then he decided that Leia was Luke’s sister, the Emperor was a different bloke to the one we’d seen in Empire, and Luke had supposedly been ‘hidden’ at the family homestead and with Dad’s old surname intact no less! I haven’t even started on the prequels yet!

“Do you remember your mother? Your real mother?”

“Uh, well, ‘remember’ is such a strong word…”

I’m really not being clear, apparently.
That’s not the kind of disrespect I’m talking about. Lucas retconning his work doesn’t mean that he disagrees with those works, it just means he thought up a new story element.
For example, George does not feel about ANH the way JJ feels about the PT, I’m sure.

I recall that George really disliked Star Wars (1977) and embarked on a forty-year quest to ‘fix’ them to his liking.

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