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#1226763
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Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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NeverarGreat said:

SilverWook said:

Interesting interpretation, but is there anything that’s been said by the filmmakers that is along those lines?

I don’t think so. But this interpretation was around before TLJ’s release, and with TLJ I think the meta commentary has grown beyond these two characters, and audience expectation (or its subversion) now drives the story itself.

i am not convinced it drives the story (but do believe it is a factor, just not a driving one). audience expectation certainly drives our interpretations.

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#1226729
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Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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Warbler said:

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

Warbler said:

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

Your letters highlight that you have no idea what really happened.

that is correct, I don’t know what happened. No one does, yet the media(at least the local news that I was watching) acts like it does know what happened and that what happened was racism.

Wouldn’t that be a justification for writing to the media, rather than writing to the people in the story? Maybe I’m missing something.

I suppose I could have written to the media. I just decided to write the people involved.

btw, you do understand I didn’t really send them letters, right?

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#1226441
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Has Star Wars finally &quot;jumped the shark&quot;?
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ZkinandBonez said:

I’m curious as to how people would have reacted to the “flying Leia” scene had something similar been done back in the 80’s. I really think this scene has the most polarized reactions in the entirety of TLJ. Some people love it, and others think it’s complete nonsense. Even my first reaction was “is this brilliant or silly?”. Maybe it’s the obvious CG-look of the moment that puts people off?

Or maybe it’s the fact that many anticipated a Leia death scene,

then all of a sudden she “flies” back to safety (it’s pretty jarring the first time). Or maybe GotG vol.2 was still to fresh in people’s memory and all they could think of was Yondu’s Mary Poppins scene.

I personally think it’s a really interesting idea, but I can’t help but find the execution of the scene to be a tad off. It’s the wide-shot of her flying (this shot) that weirds me out a bit. But none of this makes it a “bad” scene in my mind. Plus, it’s a scene that to me gets less weird the more I watch it, though I can’t tell if that’s a good or bad sign.

emphasis mine, i agree with much of your post, but that part stands out, and i think it is impossible for most of us to effectively gauge what our subconscious was doing as we watched this, but i strongly suspect that our collective thought was “ok, this is how she dies”, and then we were all wrong.

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#1226418
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Is Star Wars &quot;Better Than It's Ever Been&quot;?
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This is a tough question.

First, I believe that 77 and 80 would have been the most exciting time, but i wasn’t around, so for me, it can’t be part of my answer.

But i do feel that this current period offers the most hope for quality Star Wars content. I don’t regard everything to have been great so far under disney, and i don’t dispute Dre’s comment about standing on the OT’s shoulders (but isn’t that unavoidable to some degree?), but there have been some quality movies and tv shows in my opinion, and i am excited to see the new ones that are coming.

in the PT era, i was also excited about there being new star wars movies, but there wasn’t much else to look forward to (ep III would be the last one by definition), so this ST period certainly exceeds the PT period for me.

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#1226242
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Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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Mrebo said:

dahmage said:

Mrebo said:

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

There is no comparing Obama’s relationship with Russia versus Trump’s. They are in a completely different league. Obama never publicly called on Russia to hack into an opponent’s system.

Neither did Trump, to be accurate. At the time of Trump’s statement the server was wiped but believed to have been hacked before that point.

Accordingly the NYT, at the time, described Trump as saying that “he hoped Russian intelligence services had successfully hacked Hillary Clinton’s email, and encouraged them to publish whatever they may have stolen.”

Notice use of the past tense. Also the DNC also had already been hacked at that point.

Trump’s comments were inappropriate and encouraging of bad behavior by foreign adversaries, but it was understood, at the time, that he was asking for release of materials already presumed stolen because of negligence by Clinton.

Now that the context is forgotten, the NYT claims, “Donald J. Trump made a direct appeal to Russia to hack Hillary Clinton’s emails and make them public.”

So now we’ve shifted to a future request for hacking, rather than a request to publish what was already hacked, only because people are ignoring the context.

Obama didn’t have the depth of business ties. And Obama most certainly never openly trusted Putin’s word over his own intel.

If you want hypocrisy, look no further than Fox News’ vitriol when Obama floated the idea of meeting with North Korea.

I don’t care to relitigate all of Obama’s failures with Russia, but the inconsistency of many on both sides is distressing.

I am not sure there is any difference between requesting someone to perform a hack, or to release data from a hack they already performed.

There’s a huge difference.

Those instances are both encouraging illegal Behavior against our country.

There’s also the fact that simply obtaining data from a server and getting access to that data do not always happen at the same time.

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#1226235
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Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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Mrebo said:

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

There is no comparing Obama’s relationship with Russia versus Trump’s. They are in a completely different league. Obama never publicly called on Russia to hack into an opponent’s system.

Neither did Trump, to be accurate. At the time of Trump’s statement the server was wiped but believed to have been hacked before that point.

Accordingly the NYT, at the time, described Trump as saying that “he hoped Russian intelligence services had successfully hacked Hillary Clinton’s email, and encouraged them to publish whatever they may have stolen.”

Notice use of the past tense. Also the DNC also had already been hacked at that point.

Trump’s comments were inappropriate and encouraging of bad behavior by foreign adversaries, but it was understood, at the time, that he was asking for release of materials already presumed stolen because of negligence by Clinton.

Now that the context is forgotten, the NYT claims, “Donald J. Trump made a direct appeal to Russia to hack Hillary Clinton’s emails and make them public.”

So now we’ve shifted to a future request for hacking, rather than a request to publish what was already hacked, only because people are ignoring the context.

Obama didn’t have the depth of business ties. And Obama most certainly never openly trusted Putin’s word over his own intel.

If you want hypocrisy, look no further than Fox News’ vitriol when Obama floated the idea of meeting with North Korea.

I don’t care to relitigate all of Obama’s failures with Russia, but the inconsistency of many on both sides is distressing.

I am not sure there is any difference between requesting someone to perform a hack, or to release data from a hack they already performed.

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#1225429
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The Existential Thread
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NeverarGreat said:

Does this man’s paradoxical thought lead him to believe that all roadways are simultaneously both black and white, and therefore step off the sidewalk any old where and get run over? Surely not, since the zebra crossing is definitively stated as the location of the man’s demise.

What I’m trying to say here is that the joke doesn’t quite work.

i think it is more that he actually proved black was white (just as he proved God didn’t exist, and therefore God did not exist), his ‘proof’ actually made it so. this is a paradox, and when he encountered this paradox (at a zebra crossing), the paradox destroyed him.

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#1225420
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Is Star Wars catering to girls now?
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LexX said:

When I saw TLJ the second time it was all too clear when half of the resistance seemed to be women to the point it just didn’t feel believable, just transparent. The contrast is so stark compared to the OT it’s ridicilous. If you’re really at war and showed people inside battleships there wouldn’t be 50% women. It’s not wrong, it’s not right, that’s just the way it is.

you are comparing this movie to your own past here on earth, and it is a fact that in the past there was a concept of ‘a woman’s place’.

I for one like the fact that Star Wars isn’t reflecting that past anymore.

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#1225356
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Taking a stand against toxic fandom (and other )
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DrDre said:

DominicCobb said:

The truth is that the fandom has gotten toxic. Even beyond the bigotry stuff, the discourse in general recently has been far too heated.

In my mind the only way to push back isn’t to get angry when people rightfully point out toxicity, it is to try to make it clear that toxicity should have no place in the fanbase. Star Wars has more fans than possibly any other piece of media. It shouldn’t be hard for all the reasonable ones to push back against the harrasers and elevate the discourse and remember at the end of the day that these are just movies, and not worth getting so angry over (something that goes both ways). Passion is fine, but the outrage on either side could probably stand to take a break for a bit.

I agree. It’s not as simple as being toxic, and non-toxic imo. These extremes are part of a larger group dynamic, which applies to critics and fans alike. Ideally we would all like to have respectful discourse, but the moment emotions run high, things can spin quickly out of control. Personally I see the group mentality where a minority is excluded from the discussion, ignored, or mocked for their opinion as a mild form of toxicity. Similarly, not being part of the majority can devolve to a form of jealosy, where those part of the majority are accused by a minority of a sheep mentality, or being apologists. These are forms of intolerance, that can easily devolve to full blown toxicity.

good points.

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#1225341
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Public Message
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In response to oojason: (https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/action/reply/id/61688/quote/1225338)

respectfully, having 8 different people start PMs would be even worse. These things are always best discussed in the open, but you are right in that in can derail threads and make them ugly. That is what this thread (https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/The-New-The-New-Thread-Thread-Thread/id/60401) tries to solve: an open place to discuss the merits of a thread, without cluttering up the real threads.

and guess who has been trying to solve this problem for ages? TV’s Frink.

when you have a forum that has no search, we have to resort to insane organization in order to keep things functional. that is part of why this forum is unique in how much we complain about new threads, and pointless threads.