dahmage

suspiciouscoffee said:

They should just make the trailer the only special feature on the DVD/BD release and never release it anywhere else.

Nice

I have seen and laughed at this particular comic many time over the years…

Please answer ASAP

Most recently yes.

Eh, no.

Also, this topic is closed for now, until i reopen it.

Mrebo said:

Anchorhead said:

Mrebo said:
…I’m not sure how much sense that makes either: let’s fly out on barely functional crafts with limited maneuverability to a bunch of AT-ATs and a big gun and hope it doesn’t fire until we are really close so we can shoot at it.

To quote Antiope in Wonder Woman “You expect the battle to be fair! A battle will never be fair!”

The rebels were using the ships they had left. It was either that or sit in the entrance to the cave, put a marshmallow on a stick, and yell incoming!

If they could have gone out on a Star Destroyer and blown a FO-sized hole in the ground, I suspect they would have.

Previously, Dominic assured us that the FO would have found a way in if Finn had destroyed the gun. Holding to that idea, it doesn’t make very much sense to expend lives and time delaying the FO’s entry instead of finding a way out. I know they were hoping allies would show up - really fast and with lots of firepower - so the question is how much longer would it take to destroy the door without the cannon.

This isn’t the kind of issue really important to me, but on reflection this was a bit like grabbing a butterknife to confront an armed burglar trying to break your door. Granted you might prefer to use a bazooka, but that’s neither here nor there.

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TV’s Frink said:

Mocata said:

It doesn’t help that it looks like Jyn doesn’t hasn’t slept in a week and K2SO is permanently surprised.

I don’t see either of those things.

I see the surprised look on K2SO.

[Saving this post for when IX is released]

what about all those people fighting against Christmas?

/sarcasm

nope

chyron8472 said:

dahmage said:

Density said:

TV’s Frink said:

I have no idea what this thread is, why it needs to be, or why I should care. And I don’t.

It’s almost like you could just… not comment then or something. Weird, I know. But it IS actually possible to simply ignore things you don’t care about or understand and move on with your life without chiming in about every single fucking thing to tell the world how little you care about it. You see, no one cares if you don’t care, so you needn’t feel compelled to let everyone know. Seems like you’re carrying around a heavy burden, feeling the need to leave a snarky comment on every single thread regardless of what it’s about or how pointless and annoying your comment is. Please rest assured, you can let go of that responsibility and everyone will be just fine.

more irony eh? you also couldn’t resist. and here i am, unable to resist. we are all just suckers ehh?

He has a point though.

and so do I apparently.

Density said:

TV’s Frink said:

I have no idea what this thread is, why it needs to be, or why I should care. And I don’t.

It’s almost like you could just… not comment then or something. Weird, I know. But it IS actually possible to simply ignore things you don’t care about or understand and move on with your life without chiming in about every single fucking thing to tell the world how little you care about it. You see, no one cares if you don’t care, so you needn’t feel compelled to let everyone know. Seems like you’re carrying around a heavy burden, feeling the need to leave a snarky comment on every single thread regardless of what it’s about or how pointless and annoying your comment is. Please rest assured, you can let go of that responsibility and everyone will be just fine.

more irony eh? you also couldn’t resist. and here i am, unable to resist. we are all just suckers ehh?

my bad.

The Irony. by posting this i am sure even more people will want invites.

yotsuya said:

Mrebo said:

I think it says something that basic plot points are unclear, like how were they going to destroy the gun. Get really close and shoot it is one possibility. But then I’m not sure how much sense that makes either: let’s fly out on barely functional crafts with limited maneuverability to a bunch of AT-ATs and a big gun and hope it doesn’t fire until we are really close so we can shoot at it. (inb4: it was just like the Death Star trench)

I think it was an act of desperation and Poe didn’t see how futile it was until they were actually doing it. Finn doesn’t have Poe’s experience and we are then shown his craft disintegrating to show that Poe was right and Finn is about to toss his life away on aplan that won’t work. He isn’t even close and he is already in trouble. Rose, again, prevents him from making a stupid mistake. I never once thought he stood a chance but it was in character for Finn to try something like that. TFA had Rey to try to keep him in line and TLJ puts Rose in that role.

I made the point in my first review I think, that this movie is really crammed full of stuff. It’s a dense film.

I enjoyed that aspect, as I was eager to rewatch it several times to suss out the details. But it also is a bad thing because it results in a lot of confusion about what is happening.

Their attack on the cannon was a last ditch effort to buy time till help could come. They didn’t expect to win. Finn might have been the only one who believed that they could destroy the cannon from the inside. I am a bit fuzzy on that right now.

They failed to buy time. Then Luke came and bought them even more time because he is awesome.

Nope. As handman guessed I can’t say more. It’s local stuff.

Straight rye.

https://www.avclub.com/the-cantina-song-from-star-wars-is-just-as-catchy-when-1822009240/amp

Only a few seconds long.

Hehe, kinda hit the mark…

I can say, small batch whiskey.

See if you can guess.

Ok. Just trying to see if there is any correlation between number of viewings and impression of that scene. I hope that didn’t seem like a rude question.

Damn, has it been 10 years!!?? Time flies when you’re getting older.

TV’s Frink said:

ChainsawAsh said:

TV’s Frink said:

I try to post in every thread to maximize my income.

Frink is a corporate shill: confirmed.

My income.

Corporations are people Frink…

Or should I say, Frink Inc.

Mrebo said:

DominicCobb said:

Mrebo said:

DominicCobb said:

Mrebo said:

DominicCobb said:

Mrebo said:

DominicCobb said:

ExNihilo said:

DominicCobb said:

Even if Finn makes it, in a melted skimmer I can’t see how that’d do much.

And I meant there are other ways to blow open that big ass door, I’m sure.

It looked like just peripheries like the guns. Fuselage was intact just prior to Rose’s interception.
They are practically at the mouth of the cannon. I have trouble buying he wasn’t going to make it or he wasn’t going to do much damage.

I guess this really does come down to individual perception. I just didn’t see it the same way you did.

Well obviously the reaction says they could have made this clearer, as many people have misinterpreted the scene. I took it, when Poe called it off as a “suicide mission,” that it wasn’t worth it, and that’s all I needed to know and the rest could easily be assumed without being stated outright.

I don’t see what the contradiction is. Poe said it was a suicide mission…and it would have been. Says nothing about whether Finn could have accomplished the mission. That it could have been the like the Dreadnaught victory is what made Poe’s arc complete.

Whether Finn could have taken out the ram is not the point. Poe called off the mission because it wasn’t worth it, either way. That’s the point.

The back-and-forth concerned whether Finn could have made it. The point you’ve moved onto is a different point, one that basically negates your previous insistence that Finn wasn’t going to make it. I think you’re wrong on the previous point and right on this one.

I’m not sure I understand how that negates the previous point, or how I’ve even moved on from it. They are related points.

Whether Finn would have made it is a part of the larger conversation of “is Poe a coward?” and “did Rose doom the Resistance?” But what’s actually important is that Poe determined it wasn’t worth it. From there the assumptions fall into place - to me, it looked like Finn wasn’t going to make it and even if he did, it wouldn’t have done anything. On the other side, even if Finn did make it and he did blow up the ram, then it still wouldn’t have been worth it because the First Order would just break in another way.

Whichever is actually the case doesn’t change the answers to “is Poe a coward?” and “did Rose doom the Resistance?”, the answer to both of which is of course no.

The relation between the two points can be explored. The previous dialogue did not concern Poe’s arc. You’ve injected that into it now, which is totally fine, but it’s helpful when we can be clear to avoid misunderstandings.

So let’s consider the relation between (1) Finn flying into the weapon and (2) Poe calling off the mission.

If Finn flew into the weapon, that doesn’t negate Poe’s arc. It arguably makes it stronger, with Poe not only calling off the mission but feeling the sting of loss when a commander is disobeyed. If Finn is successful, then all the better when Poe says it wasn’t worth it.

Or we can imagine that it is Poe who rams Finn. Poe acknowledges that Finn could have made it but “that’s how we’re gonna win. Not fighting what we hate, saving what we love.” Followed, of course, by a kiss.

I never said Finn flying into the weapon would negate Poe’s arc. But the two things are connected. Poe understands suicide missions aren’t worth it. Finn doesn’t yet. Rose saving Finn is teaching him that lesson (“that’s how we’re gonna win…”).

I guess I’m not even sure what you’re trying to say.

The discussion was whether Finn could and should have destroyed the weapon. Then you backed into an argument on Poe’s arc. I said that I didn’t see any contradiction with what others were saying on the topic of Finn’s attempted sacrifice.

I said that your previous insistence that Finn was destined to fail was negated. Because Poe completed his arc no matter what Finn did.

Now you add another layer, seeming to suggest that there is a thematic parallel, and not that the two scenes are somehow dependent on each other, which is what I thought you were saying. Which is a pretty good argument; but you backed into it.

And I think my suggestions offer good alternative themes and lessons.

Back to the original discussion, Finn could totally have destroyed the battering ram, giving the rebels a chance to escape.

Side question, have you seen the film more than once?

yhwx said:

http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/11/politics/daca-deal-obstacles-flake-white-house/index.html

President Donald Trump, using vulgar terms, rejected a pitch Thursday from a bipartisan team of senators on a compromise immigration deal to protect DACA participants while increasing border security.

“Why do we want all these people from ‘shithole countries’ coming here?” Trump told senators in the Oval Office, a source briefed on the meeting told CNN.

Disgusting man, that Trump…

^what’s so bad about that?