You guys sure are giving hand man s*** for trying to improve his own outlook on things.
I applaud anyone taking concrete steps to solve their own problems.
I thought you said Italians…
Good one
184
What a coincidence. That’s how many chromosomes a Rattlesnake fern has.
Works fine for me.
like i said, i think its anti-hotlinking, as it didn’t load until i hit the URL twice.
Pizza.
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openresty(not a stock photo)
its not any photo
JEDIT: they might be anti-hotlinking
But at the end of TESB we are left with Han frozen and the rebellion baseless. In TLJ we are left with the characters intact but the Resistance in shambles, but with hope. But in TESB, we have a galaxy wide Empire that is strong and unwavering. In TLJ, we have a First Order just beginning its conquest, not yet cemented or truly in power yet. The crawl uses the word reigns, but I take that to mean there is no force to oppose them rather than they have actually taken over anything and the rest of the text of the crawl agrees with that as does the movie dialog. It also provides a reason why Leia’s call was not answered. But the final scene in the stable shows that Luke had again brought hope and if word has reached Canto Bight, it will spread across the galaxy and give courage to those who want to resist the First Order’s conquest.
Yes, but that’s where our interpretations differ. TLJ makes a strong case, that the FO is a pretty much unstoppable force. Apart from the crawl, there’s the statement in the film, that the FO will control all major systems in weeks. This might not be very credible, but this is the message the film tries to get across. Then there’s the fact, that the Resistance/rebellion is decimated. People might be inspired, but it is hope without substance, wishful thinking at best. It is a spark that has to evaporate an ocean of bad. It may turn into a great big fire, but it may also be extinguished. If the latter is not the case, there’s no more tension in the film, as the heroes will prevail no matter what. The situation at the end of TESB is quite different. The Rebel Alliance may be without a base, but it has a fleet and personel. It has a real hope of defeating the Empire, more than just inspiration. There are unresolved story threads, like what will become of Han Solo? Is Darth Vader really Luke’s father? Is the Emperor really so powerful, that he can boss around Darth Vader? What is left to resolve after TLJ? I would say very little, other than the rebellion has to somehow reform, and beat the FO.
I tend to agree with this. “So this is how liberty dies. With thunderous applause” we had to wait 20 years for any sort of resistance or rebellion to rise again the Empire. Rebels has established that it happened more or less at the same time, with several cells rebelling in several places. But that was 15 years after RotS. Unless we have a huge time jump now, it’s going to be hard to have a huge showdown RotJ-style in IX and make it believable. But I hope they pull it off if they decide to go for it.
I wonder if they’re going to do something different for IX that not the final Rebels vs Empire and Rey vs Kylo confrontation. I really hope so.
The big difference. At the end of ROTS, you have the long established Galactic Republic turn into the first Galactic Empire. That means all the institutions, all the structure, everything remains in place and there is just a change at the top. In the ST, we have the capitol of the new Republic destroyed along with the fleet. The First Order is moving in (present action, not yet completed) so they will have to come in and establish a new structure and build it from scratch. On some world they may just be able to step into the Republic’s shoes, other they will have to fight to gain control. They cannot just walk into the role of the Republic like the Emperor did in ROTS. So the situation is entirely different. If Leia can raise a fleet in time, they could still stop the First Order from gaining any real power in the remains of the Republic and many of the Republic world will likely form a new govenment on another world. There is no easy path here like the Emperor spent so many years arranging for himself. The First Order was always about conquest of the new Republic while the Empire was about subjugation of the extant old Republic.
It will not take 20 years to gather allies to fight back. It could happen in weeks or months and be realistic.
How? It took the Allies three years to mount an attack against the Axis powers in WWII, who like the FO conquered continental Europe in a matter of weeks. The allies were mostly sovereign nations with their military power intact. The Resistance is in ruins. Even if they still have allies, it takes years to form and build an organisation with a unified agenda. The weeks or months prognosis is completely unrealistic even in the GFFA.
wasn’t that three year delay mostly how long it took for the political machines of various allied countries to come to agreement on a response? basically, it didn’t need to be 3 years.
You’re welcome.
You’re fired.
4/10
I can’t wait.
Having seen the film four times and having read a lot of opinions, I think I see some of the problem. Rian wrote Kylo too well. And while his words failed to convince Rey, they seem to have convinced some members of the audience. Kylo is trying to destroy the past. That is his thing. That is not the story that RJ gave us.
TLJ is a mirror of TESB. It is in a different time and setting and the purpose of the story is very different. TESB was a personal journey for the characters while the Rebellion, having successfully escaped Hoth, rendezvoused and regrouped, untouched by the Empire. TLJ sees the Resistance flee the FO only to be followed, hounded, and nearly annihilated. But we still get the same journey for our characters. In both cases it is of personal growth. In TESB, Luke is trained by Yoda and Han and Leia finally admit their feelings. In TLJ, Rey seeks training form Luke, only to find him unwilling, so she takes what little he had offered her and the ancient texts. But she got to him and her actions bring Luke to help the Resistance in their time of need. Luke distracts while Rey rescues. Poe learns how to be a leader instead of just a foolhardy hero. Finn grows form someone always wanted to run to someone now willing to stand and fight. Neither movie takes the wider conflict any further. The FO had destroyed two Resistance bases and reduced the their number, but not their message, and the Resistance has destroyed two of the FO’s largest ships.
The question is, what’s next. We now know that Abrams and RJ coordinated some between TFA and TLJ. The screenplay for TLJ was already written before TFA was finished and led to some edits to TFA. And given that Abrams had a TV background, I think we can assume that they are telling a coordinated story. There was a story for IX. No idea what direction it will take now that Carrie has left us. Will Abrams junk it or just rework it? Who knows. But at the end of TESB we are left with Han frozen and the rebellion baseless. In TLJ we are left with the characters intact but the Resistance in shambles, but with hope. But in TESB, we have a galaxy wide Empire that is strong and unwavering. In TLJ, we have a First Order just beginning its conquest, not yet cemented or truly in power yet. The crawl uses the word reigns, but I take that to mean there is no force to oppose them rather than they have actually taken over anything and the rest of the text of the crawl agrees with that as does the movie dialog. It also provides a reason why Leia’s call was not answered. But the final scene in the stable shows that Luke had again brought hope and if word has reached Canto Bight, it will spread across the galaxy and give courage to those who want to resist the First Order’s conquest.
I think that rather than deconstructing the mythology, this movie is just forwarding the mythology in a different way. RJ had an ending setup for IX. This was leading somewhere and he didn’t let Carrie’s passing change this story because I believe he knew how to rework the ending. The other director did not want to so Abrams came back. With his background in TV, and teams of writers and working on series that can introduce new twists, I bet they have something in mind for the IX finale. It may not be quite what RJ had in mind, but if they handed Abrams and ending and he sticks with it, it could be one hell of a movie. And I think at that point the mythology side of this trilogy will be obvious. The OT wasn’t a story of redemption until ROTJ. We are in the middle of this trilogy and I doubt we can see where it is going so jumping to conclusion such as deconstructing or resetting, is probably a bit premature. This was the setup the the saga finale. Seeing it as anything else is, in my mind, an unjustified misinterpretation.
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Take it to the cannonball or not cannonball thread
^ALLOL (not really, just LOL)
^^ok professor
A cluttered house is a cluttered mind.
Make decisions youngling yhwx. Close tabs, read the ones you open. Take care of you HOUSE man!
I currently have 49 browser tabs open.
You need to make a thread where you index every browser tab you create.
gross, no thanks.
[DrDre said:](It’s certainly more articulate and respectful than your reponse to my post.
Okay, back to your usual ‘passive aggressive’ self.
Stop. Dre hasn’t said anything to antagonize you. Don’t be like that.
Agreed.
I was sure that Dre used the force choke. wasn’t it obvious?
#ROTJPigMen
I think the suggestion to listen to the Empire podcast and hear from Rian himself is a good suggestion though. You will only re-inforce your own feelings if you read an article like that Dre. Where-as you could actually get real information directly fromt he Horses mouth if you listen to Rian explain some of the decisions he made.
time to come clean - i haven’t listened to that podcast myself yet.
I might give it a listen, although I did read the article. It’s always interesting to hear about a creator’s intentions. However, I also think a film should be analyzed on it’s own terms. The PT is based on some good concepts and ideas, but in the end it was the execution of those ideas that made it less than successful for me personally.
You are right, that external analysis is good, especially for judging how well the creator did what they intended to do. But if you give Rian a chance to help form your thinking, before giving random upset joe-schmoe that same chance, the odds are you will come out with a slightly higher appreciation for the film, than if you go the other way.
And at the end of the day, i just want all Star Wars fans to be the happiest fans they can be 😃
I heard this wasn’t renewed for a second season.
I currently have 49 browser tabs open.
that disgusts me.
I think the suggestion to listen to the Empire podcast and hear from Rian himself is a good suggestion though. You will only re-inforce your own feelings if you read an article like that Dre. Where-as you could actually get real information directly fromt he Horses mouth if you listen to Rian explain some of the decisions he made.
time to come clean - i haven’t listened to that podcast myself yet.
Continuing my Netflix Marvel watching as I can.
The Iron fist: I feel like the lead is the worst actor. Or maybe I just struggling to believe that he is serious when he gets all mystical. I watched it because I had to.
The Defenders: not bad, but not great. Glad to see Jessica Jones though. I watched almost all of the season and it has just barely gotten the team together. Lots to do in the final 3 eps.
Do you think they came out with anything better than the first Daredevil season so far?
Jessica Jones season 1, IMO.
Yeah. But I admit Daredevil was quite good too.
Continuing my Netflix Marvel watching as I can.
The Iron fist: I feel like the lead is the worst actor. Or maybe I just struggling to believe that he is serious when he gets all mystical. I watched it because I had to.
The Defenders: not bad, but not great. Glad to see Jessica Jones though. I watched almost all of the season and it has just barely gotten the team together. Lots to do in the final 3 eps.
Comedy is best portrayed through situations. It’s infinitely relatable.
This is what makes #rotjpigmen so great.
How did they cheat with the dice? I don’t have my copy of The Force Can and Cannots handy…
They could be touched and held.
Or Luke projected them into her hands as a clue. She never seemed shocked during that sequence, just watched calmly as they disappeared.
Kylo Ren held them as they disappeared.