crissrudd4554

The 4K versions, or at least the 4K ANH to my knowledge, was made in 2012.

Technically part of Mos Eisley but anyways Greedo Shooting First and the Falcon leaving Docking Bay 94.

Fair enough.

StarkillerAG said:

crissrudd4554 said:

As I said, it’s only continued speculation. I don’t personally think it’s about George’s wishes. That doesn’t mean my view is correct, it’s just my own view of the speculation.
As I said it’s their property.

But when the chief of the Lucasfilm canon department, one of the most important people there, basically states outright that it’s because of George’s wishes, it stops being speculation and starts being fact. I don’t see how there can be any more debate after what he said.

Because he didn’t say George and keep in mind we’re talking about a Tweet from like 3-4 years ago, before Disney bought Fox. If Disney hadn’t bought Fox, Fox would still have control over ANH. Disney owns the whole property now. Does this have anything to do with the OUT?? Most likely not but at the same time it’s easier to say “we’re not gonna do it because…” when at one point it doesn’t look like they’ll own the whole thing than to say that when they do.

Again I don’t see anything with the OUT happening any time soon but until I get an official confirmation that clearly says, not hinted, George Lucas is the reason it is not happening even though he more or less sold it all away back in 2012 and basically has no control over it anymore I will continue to chalk it up to speculation. Sorry for those who disagree with me.

One last thing. Restoring and releasing the OUT would only be disrespectful to George’s wishes if his preferred cuts became obsolete which even in a unlikely reality of the OUT being released again would not be the case. If anything it’ll be an optional cut in a future set with his preferred versions (if physical media is even still viable by then) or as others suggested something exclusive to Disney+.

With or without the OUT, George’s preferred versions aren’t going anywhere. Not to mention, and others have brought this up as well, if George was really adamant that the originals never see the light of day again he wouldn’t have released the GOUT. Yes they were outdated non-anamorphic transfers but they were released with his (begrudging) approval. Again as long as his preferred cuts remain the default versions and it’s not his money being put into it I really don’t think George cares at this point if the OUT is restored.

As I said, it’s only continued speculation. I don’t personally think it’s about George’s wishes. That doesn’t mean my view is correct, it’s just my own view of the speculation.
As I said it’s their property.

CMMAP said:

To my understanding yet, not like the original negativ that was used in the camera but pretty close to this.
Here is an example of a shot from the SE 97 and in comparison his restoration:

SE 97
https://imgur.com/OGJBv7p.jpg

Verta
https://imgur.com/JJkb4pO.jpg

That first shot isn’t from the SE.

DavidMDaut said:

My point is merely that if Disney really wanted to release the original films they’d have done it by now. As people inside Lucasfilm have indicated, the primary obstacle to an official release is Lucas’s wishes. Some have interpreted that to mean it’s a contractual obligation; I find that unlikely. I think it’s simply a calculated trade-off.

Whatever Disney estimates they could earn from a release isn’t worth losing having Lucas in good (enough) graces to occasionally show up for the opening ceremony of a new theme park land or maybe drop in at Star Wars Celebration. In other words, they’re willing to risk alienating him over the direction of VII, VIII, and IX, but not on a home video release of the original movies. To me, that says all that needs to be said about how Disney estimates their value.

I really think people are overestimating this whole “they aren’t doing it out of respect to George” angle on the situation. First off no evidence blatantly spells out that’s what it is. You can refer to KK’s or JJ’s vague comments but they don’t exactly spell out its George. There is Pablo Hidalgo‘s Tweet from 2-3 years ago where he said something like “only one man is preventing it and he doesn’t wanna do it at this time” or whatever but again we don’t know for sure he means George. Maybe he was referring to a Disney higher up. Who knows??

Which leads me to my second point. It’s Disney’s property. George sold them LF, they bought out Fox, basically everything and anything SW is there’s free and clear. If they wanna do it they are well within there rights to do so. Frankly I think they haven’t done it because it’s just not a priority to them. They wanna sell you the new Trilogy and new TV shows, etc. If you ask me there probably in enough heat with George cause of the ST that releasing the OUT probably won’t even seem as big an offense to him at this point. I really don’t think he cares. It’s not his money anymore.

No matter what way you spin it it’s all speculation. Granted do I think if it was meant to happen it would have by now?? Yes. I definitely am in the boat, albeit begrudgingly, that feels it’s just a dead issue at this point. What we’re getting with these fan restorations is probably as good as it gets at this stage. Would I like to be proven wrong?? Sure but I have to be true about where it’s at at the moment.

It would be nice.

Rodney-2187 said:

Has the level of restoration combined with modern home theater technology achieved a level that surpasses what audiences originally were able to see in theaters?

I suggest you watch this. It’s a 3 hour video but you’ll learn a lot! 😉

https://youtu.be/G3W_O-tp0_g

The change did not exist before 2004.

Broom Kid said:

This probably isn’t a great sign when it comes to any future physical releases of Star Wars

https://thedigitalbits.com/columns/my-two-cents/080720-1600

The article makes room for possible Star Wars releases still, but it really sounds like Disney’s about done with physical media, period. No catalog releases going forward. No promotion for the catalog releases they’ve already got.

If you were waiting for a 50th/60th anniversary box-set, you might never stop waiting.

Maybe, maybe not.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnarcher/2020/08/12/disney-formally-denies-that-its-ditching-4k-blu-ray-catalog-releases/amp/

Does anyone happen to have the Faces artworks textless???

Given I got the Faces trilogy when I was probably 4 I don’t think much of what Maltin and Lucas were discussing sank in with me at the time. It actually probably wasn’t even until the prequel era that some of what they were discussing I began to pay attention too and I suppose it was around that time I started noticing the preview discussion of the PT.

Most of it is at the end of the ROTJ interview. Lucas mentions that he’s working on them all at once and that the first would be out in ‘98 or ‘99. Maltin concludes with something like “so in the new millennium we can look forward to the prequel trilogy??” to which George says “definitely”.

Technically George’s message on the outer box of the Faces set makes a subtle reference to the PT coming up when he says something “I hope you all will continue to not only enjoy this Trilogy but the upcoming events in the continually unfolding Star Wars universe” or something to that effect.

Tyrese said:

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He hasn’t been active on here since August of last year.

SpacemanDoug said:
I know the BD has some small audio alterations too but idk what

Dek Rollins said:
I know captainsolo has said in the past that the BD 5.1 mix is very revisionist, but I personally don’t know any specifics about it.

This scene’s a good example. There’s wayyyy more richochets in the BD mix.

2003 mix

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Sm6tcQUl_jI

2012 mix

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ImY6EOvzFpg

Yes I know the first video is in a different pitch. It was the only video I could find off hand of the 2003 mix (the pitch is correct on DVD).

I’m willing to donate $15.

Nien Nunb said:

Fated-Dualist said:

'Mr. Lucas said that to release the original versions of these films on Blu-ray was “kind of an oxymoron because the quality of the original is not very good.”

“You have to go through and do a whole restoration on it, and you have to do that digitally,” he added. “It’s a very, very expensive process to do it. So when we did the transfer to digital, we only transferred really the upgraded version.”
 

I still find it hard to imagine George saying all this with a straight face. Even he has be aware of how stupid this sounds. Despite no longer being in charge of Lucasfilm, I’m sure by now he also has to be at least somewhat aware of recent fan preservation efforts and the significant advancements that have been made since those statements, which have completely disproven his argument.

Keep in mind we are talking about the guy who in 2012 was insistent that Greedo “always” shot first with the confusion being the original had the sequence in closeups. Sure George.

Agreed. It’s not the best version of the mono but it’s better than nothing. At least it’s not a mono down fold of the surround mix.

Still gonna hold onto my 2005 DVD though.

Just skimmed through parts of the UHD mono track and yeah like I figured its basically the same mono from the regular BD. Sound effects when they cut open the tiger shark are still out of sync, engine explosions still in the wrong pitch, Brody’s scream is still low in the mix. One thing I did notice which I also talked about in my video is the mono on the regular BD has an odd drop in volume during one of the shots of the shark ripping up the cage. It’s a little hard to tell for sure listening to it on the computer but this may be gone the mono on the UHD. Haven’t gotten to hearing the surround track yet.

HDMan72 said:

Goodsuc81 said:

Are the sound effects in the tiger shark scene still out of sync?

To me I couldn’t really tell if they were out of sync. The fish seemed to sound as they landed. The can and license plate sounded spot on. I don’t use any delay settings for HDMI.

It’s a little hard to tell just from watching (unless you’ve watched it with the mono many times like I have hahaha). But given you said the explosion sounds high pitched I imagine the sound effects in the autopsy scene are probably still out of sync. Bummerz but then again not surprised.

HDMan72 said:

To me it sounds like the LD and 2005 mono, its higher pitched.

Higher pitched would make it equal to the 2012 mono. The LD and 2005 mono have the lower pitch.

HDMan72 said:

The engine explosion of the Orca sounds like its still the wrong pitch. Or should i say it sounds like it always has. Cant remember if that Vimeo vid has the explosion in it. I’ll check.

Yes, the explosion sounds like the LD.

I talk about the explosion at 12:47-14:33 of the comparison video.

HDMan72 said:

crissrudd4554 said:

HDMan72 said:

SpacemanDoug said:

does anyone know how the mono sounds on the 4K version?

I watched mine the other night and the mono sounded excellent on the 4K UHD. It reminded me of the mono track from the Signature Collection laserdisc.

What about the examples in this video?? How did they sound on the UHD??

https://vimeo.com/166704816

Quick comparisons as my computer is in a different room than my home theater. I can not hear the ‘Cassidy burp’ I can hear Brody’s yeah" it’s very subtle. Good Vimeo video on the comparisons.

Thank you. Is the engine explosion still in the wrong pitch?? No rush.

HDMan72 said:

SpacemanDoug said:

does anyone know how the mono sounds on the 4K version?

I watched mine the other night and the mono sounded excellent on the 4K UHD. It reminded me of the mono track from the Signature Collection laserdisc.

What about the examples in this video?? How did they sound on the UHD??

https://vimeo.com/166704816

crissrudd4554 said:

SpacemanDoug said:

crissrudd4554 said:

Blu Ray 1977 said:

crissrudd4554 said:

I believe Fast Times at Ridgemont High had some changes as well. Some home video releases had different songs due to licensing but I think this was resolved by the time the film made it to DVD. The surround mix first introduced on the 2005 DVD had some minor effects changes I believe. That DVD as well as the BD does not have the mono. The original DVD and the High School Reunion DVD as far as I know has the correct original mono!

It’s me Pete 1972! You remember when we commented on the Jaws videos? Looks like another film is getting the audio revisionism treatment. According to Digital Bits and some fans, Batman 89’s Dolby Atmos mix has a lot of changes with the sound effects. Gun shots have been altered and the starting up of the Batmobile is changed too. Also Digital Bits said that the Dolby 5.1 on the 4K is a downmix and not the 5.1 that was on the previous Blu Ray.

Figures. (Rolls eyes) Apparently the 4K release of Blade Runner also has audio revisions though I’m not sure off hand what they are.

And yes I do remember you. Nice to see ya again!

actually the audio revisions on Blade Runner date back to when the 2007 Blu-ray was released, and the revisions are only on the final cut, the other cuts have the original sound effects

No I’ve seen comments on bluray.com that apparently more revisions were made to the Final Cut mix for the UHD release.

Comparisons for Blade Runner.

US Theatrical/International Theatrical/Director’s Cut

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaR5wVL9x2I

Final Cut (2007 mix)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-fu7jN2_2pE&t=205s

Final Cut (2017 mix)

https://youtu.be/P1jXmJmmj3o

Moiisty said:

if anyone wants a download for the 4k jaws version, DM me, maybe someone can use it as a basis for the perfect jaws cut

Could you PM it to me as well as with the mono track from the UHD (if you have it)???