logo Sign In

corellian77

User Group
Members
Join date
24-Oct-2004
Last activity
30-Dec-2023
Posts
1,028

Post History

Post
#303786
Topic
STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 <strong>REVISITED</strong> ADYWAN *<em>1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION</em>
Link
https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/303786/action/topic#303786
Time
By the way, I've been meaning to congratulate you, Ady, on the Mos Eisley clip you posted awhile back. I know you've been open to suggestions and criticisms from this community, but I honestly couldn't believe there were still some nitpicks about that sequence. Who cares if one alien's eyebrow is raised slightly too high? So what if one shot takes 1/3000th of a second too long to make a transition? I thought the work you did in that clip was incredible, and I can't wait to see the finished product in its entirety.

In particular, the severed arm shot in the cantina was excellent -- I was so focussed on seeing if you had replaced the hand with the flipper yet that I didn't even notice the now-bloodless floor and smoking wound; the fx are seamless. There are a ton of other things I was impressed with, changes that were so subtle I wasn't (and still am not) even sure they were changes: the red astromech droid just outside Docking Bay 94, a slight echo now present in the docking bay, Luke's altered dialogue after exiting the cantina, just to name a few. Truly excellent work Ady.
Post
#303783
Topic
STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 <strong>REVISITED</strong> ADYWAN *<em>1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION</em>
Link
https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/303783/action/topic#303783
Time
Regarding the "Your father wanted you to have this" vs. "I wanted you to have this" debate, I can see both sides of the argument. On the one hand, the original line works if one looks at it as Ben assuming (or simply fabricating) what Anakin would have wanted for his son should he have had the chance to raise him. On the other hand, the altered line makes sense in light of Episode III, where Anakin makes no mention whatsoever about wanting his child to be a Jedi (let alone having his lightsaber).

Personally, I agree with Adywan that, in light of the prequels, it makes more sense for Ben to want Luke to have the lightsaber. Ideally the line should be "Your father would have wanted you to have this when you were old enough," but I'm not sure that's feasible from an editing standpoint.

As for Luke and Leia discussing their mother in ROTJ, I've thought for awhile now that the continuity error Episode III introduces (i.e., that Leia remembers her mother while Luke does not, despite the fact that Luke was born first) could be remedied simply by editing Ep. III so that Leia is born first. Additionally, it may be possible to edit the scene in such a way that Padme dies before/as Luke is born, thus furthering the reason why he has no memory of his mother.

Alternatively, one could always skip Padme's death scene entirely, perhaps implying that she lived for a time with Leia on Alderaan. I'm not sure this would be possible, but it would certainly make Leia's memories more believable than suggesting she remembered her mother from her first thirty seconds of life. Perhaps Adywan could composite an image of Padme sitting with the Organas at the end of the film...
Post
#302186
Topic
STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 <strong>REVISITED</strong> ADYWAN *<em>1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION</em>
Link
https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/302186/action/topic#302186
Time
Originally posted by: eros
Any chance my idea about having a photo of Padme in skimpy gear stuck to Vaders tie fighter console?

You could make it like an old WW2 photo with writing saying something akin to; "to my sexy husband Anakin"

and then have some maniacal red line through the Anakin with VADER written below it. I think that would be the icing on the cake. Lucas would be totally pissed off he never thought of that.


That was pretty funny... I couldn't resist:
http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/9177/vaderjm4.png
I also figured since Vader's a cool dude, he'd probably be sipping back a mocha frappuccino while blasting away Rebels.

Seriously though, looking forward to the edit more than ever Ady... the colour correction on that pic of the X-wing alone was enough to get me excited.
Post
#301726
Topic
A New Thought on George
Link
https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/301726/action/topic#301726
Time
That's pretty much what I was trying to express CO... characters drive the movie. Going back to my example of the action scenes, they may be the most spectacularly amazing feat of digital wizardry I've ever seen, but if there's no emotional attachment to the characters, it's ultimately uninteresting. In the OT, we'd get cut scenes of the action, but a good portion of the screen time was absorbed with following individual characters. In ANH, much of the final battle focuses on the pilots, not the actual ship-to-ship fighting. In ESB, it's watching Luke and the rest of the pilots in Rogue Squandron that's exciting, not so much the actual "external battle." Same thing is true of the final battle in ROTJ (i.e., we follow Lando and Wedge in space, and Han and company on Endor).

In the PT, by contrast, the focus is on the battle... in TPM, aside from watching the lightsaber fight (which was great because it focussed on individual characters), we're watching droids *yawn* fight no-name gungans, who aren't even sympathetic as a species. Same is true with the battle in AOTC -- do I really care which no-name Jedi dies or which robot gets blown up? No, because these characters mean nothing to me. At least things kind of got on track in ROTS, in my opinion, because once again most of the fighting focussed on individual characters that we have some emotional attachment to (or at least, should have an attachment to).

Overall, I'd agree that one of the great failings of the PT is the characters. Not only were they not focussed upon sufficiently, but most of the performances were too rigid and two-dimensional. I wonder if this is due in part to Lucas discouraging any deviation from the script. If so, it's too bad, as the actors could likely have delivered better performances if only they could have changed some of the dialogue. I would hope that they had as much leeway as Scorcsese gave his actors in The Departed, where he was happy with any alterations the actors wanted to make to their characters or dialogue, as long as it didn't change the overall story or character arc.

As for my original question, is the PT "technically" different from the OT? For example, is it just my imagination, or are there more medium and close-up shots in the OT? If so, would this have a subconscious effect on the viewer by making them feel more/less intimate with the on-screen characters?
Post
#301680
Topic
A New Thought on George
Link
https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/301680/action/topic#301680
Time
Originally posted by: FanFiltration

Just for the record, I suffer from a God Damn Brain Abscess, as well as other unwanted and undesevered disabling medical problems!

So I now come to these forums to relive my stress just to deal with this kind of crap?


Some people can't be as letter perfect as you nerd a$$ wipes can be. Sorry for trying to participate.

And if you want to ban me, go on! I don't need that kind of picky a$$ S#!T from anyone! Sorry for being a bit testy, but being up all night puking my toxic medications just makes me a tad on edge sometimes.

FF
Holy fuck buddy...
Originally posted by: zombie84
Everyone thought of "space opera"--the whole Flash Gordon/serial style that Lucas advertised it as--as being silly, unrealistic, with cardboard characters, convoluted plotting and implausibility.

Gee, that pretty much summarizes the PT, doesn't it?

I must say this is a great thread; I've enjoyed reading these posts and find that many of them mirror my own thoughts. From a more technical standpoint, does anyone think that the PT was less effective due to such things as cinematography, editing, etc? For example, I find that I'm not emotionally involved in many of the battle sequences in the PT, and I sometimes think it's partly due to the fact that the camera is more concerned with capturing all the chaos going on instead of focusing on particular individuals in the action (such as in the Death Star battle in the OT).
Post
#301357
Topic
STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 <strong>REVISITED</strong> ADYWAN *<em>1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION</em>
Link
https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/301357/action/topic#301357
Time
Ady, could you not simply loop the score in places? Perhaps insert silences to stretch out the running time? In terms of looping the music, I'm thinking something along the lines of the background music in the game Dark Forces - it's a fairly continuous loop of OT music, some of which I believe is from the Death Star battle sequence.

As big a fan as I am of John Williams, and as much as I agree the score is a huge part of the film, I personally would like to see the clip left in. Perhaps I don't fully understand the problem, though...
Post
#298567
Topic
STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 <strong>REVISITED</strong> ADYWAN *<em>1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION</em>
Link
https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/298567/action/topic#298567
Time
Perhaps not much of a point to post this, since it's just echoing everyone else's posts, but...

Take all the time you need to get this right, Adywan. Personally I'd be much happier to be watching this in February and knowing it's the best work you could do than watch it in November and know that there were some aspects that you just "decided to live with" because you wanted to get the film done by a certain date. You've come this far -- might as well finish it to your satisfaction.

Also, the trench run looks terrific. I can't believe that, as someone who's seen the film dozens upon dozens of times, I've never consciously noticed the missing trench in the background. The colour in the scene looks good, at least to my eyes. Even if there is any "washing out" of the colour, I think the corrected brightness and contrast more than compensate for it.

Keep up the fantastic work Adywan; you're in the home stretch!
Post
#298150
Topic
STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 <strong>REVISITED</strong> ADYWAN *<em>1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION</em>
Link
https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/298150/action/topic#298150
Time
You're obviously entitled to your opinion, Marvolo, and if you don't notice the misalignment in the crawl then I'm happy for you. However, please realize that just because you don't notice a problem, it doesn't mean that it's not worth looking at. There are many fans, myself included, who have noticed that misalignment for awhile and think that it is something perhaps worth changing. To be honest, I'm surprised you even ventured an opinion on the issue, considering you just acknowledged that you skip over the crawl when watching the movie anyway.

I am just amazed that some people notice stuff like this. It is no wonder some can not enjoy the films when they worry about stuff like that.


Also, please don't assume that just because someone notices an "error" with the film that it translates into them not enjoying it. I myself have noticed innumerable special effect shortcomings in Star Wars over the years, but that doesn't alter the fact that I love the original movie. If such things ruin your enjoyment of the film, then I'm sorry to hear that, but don't presume your problems are ours as well.

In all, I think that Adywan's edit has focussed heavily on "fixing" all those little things that we as fans have noticed for years and desired to have changed. That being the case, I see no reason why the opening crawl can't be discussed as well; it's a noticeable "error" in the film (which, as Erikstormtrooper pointed out, I believe has been there since the original ANH), and as such is as worthy of being addressed as any other issue discussed in the thread thus far.
Post
#295298
Topic
STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 <strong>REVISITED</strong> ADYWAN *<em>1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION</em>
Link
https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/295298/action/topic#295298
Time
Hey Ady, I had a couple of quick questions for you:

You mentioned using the CD soundtrack as an audio source... does that mean that the scratchy, tinny 20th Century Fox fanfare on the 2004 DVD will be replaced with something that sounds a bit better?

Also, awhile back you mentioned tinkering further with that shot where a slew of TIEs fly in during the Death Star battle. Were you able to pull off what you had wanted?
Post
#294998
Topic
STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 <strong>REVISITED</strong> ADYWAN *<em>1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION</em>
Link
https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/294998/action/topic#294998
Time
Originally posted by: SynchG
also, see if you can trim carrie fisher's role abit out. She's like Jar Jar Binks in the classic trilogy-every time she appears and opens her mouth, just ruins the scene for me.
j/k j/k... about editing her out....
but not on the annoyance factor in general, what a effing nobody she is.


Dude, have you seen Star Wars? She's like the focal point of the entire movie.
Post
#294205
Topic
STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 <strong>REVISITED</strong> ADYWAN *<em>1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION</em>
Link
https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/294205/action/topic#294205
Time
Originally posted by: JediBorota

When Windows Media player goes to play the Alderaan clip, all I get is the sound track...no pic...

It quickly flashes something about codex on the screen and goes right into the playing of the sounds only.

Can somebody help me?


Try downloading a program called "GSpot" from here. Once it's installed, you can use the program to open the file in question, and it should tell you what codec(s) it requires to run. A quick Google search from there will then probably land you the missing codec(s).
Post
#293716
Topic
STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 <strong>REVISITED</strong> ADYWAN *<em>1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION</em>
Link
https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/293716/action/topic#293716
Time
Kurgan, you're a little off the mark in saying that many people were pleased with the 2004 DVDs. In fact, quite the opposite is true, hence why Adywan has undertaken this very project. Moreover, if one of Adywan's motives for undertaking this edit was to improve the visual quality of the film, then it wouldn't make a whole lot of sense for him to go and stick in a couple of scenes whose quality would be completely incongruous with the rest of the movie.

I sympathize with you in that I too would someday like to see an edit with these deleted scenes put back in, however this is not the edit for it to happen in. Until then, if you like vintage Star Wars and like getting more detail/backstory, you should check out the Star Wars radio drama. If you haven't heard of it before, it's a 13-part radio series produced in 1981 that follows Lucas' earlier versions of the films in that the story starts off by following Luke Skywalker, and includes the dialogue which you posted earlier between Luke, Biggs, Fixer, Camie, and company at Tosche Station. It's quite excellent in terms of its production, and even features the voices of Mark Hamill and Anthony Daniels, as well as John Williams' score and Ben Burtt's sound FX.