corellian77

TV's Frink said:

doubleofive said:

This thread used to make me happy...

 

xhonzi said:

My oldest son knows the Prequels exist.  He could watch them at a friend's house if he chose to.  Or frankly anytime at home, unless he directly asked me first.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you are saying that, if your son came up to you and asked to watch one of the prequels, you'd refuse?  I'm all for showing my own children the OT first and foremost, but if they were to ask to watch Episode I, II, or III, I wouldn't deny their request.  That's a tad extreme.

But he trusts me (apparently) for the moment that it's ultimately not in his best interest to sully his imagination with the smut.

I'm curious, do you exercise this level of vigilance for all films and television shows that your son watches, or just when it comes to Star Wars?

Lord Grievous said:

corellian77 said:

As for the Emperor not smiling...

I never said he doesn't smile, I also never said that the smile looks fake, I merely said that I think he shouldn't smile in that particular scene.

When I wrote, "As for the Emperor not smiling..." I meant it in the sense of "As for your assertion that the Emperor should not smile in that scene..."  My apologies for not being clear.

In posting the images, I was merely trying to point out that the Emperor smiles and laughs quite often in ROTJ.  I therefore don't see why he should not be smiling during the hologram scene, as it seems to be in character.

This isn't open for discussion, this is just my opinion on this scene. I think it looked fine before with Ady's previous version. If you don't agree than fine, but this isn't some theory you can (dis-)prove or not.

 

Every single page of this thread is filled with people saying they don't like or do like some change Ady has made. It's his edit, but if everyone else here can make 500 word posts about some change they want pushed through then I don't see why I can't make a comment on something I disagree with.

Not to sound like an ass, but the whole point of a discussion forum is for people to have a conversation and share ideas.  If you don't want others to comment on your opinions, you may want to refrain from sharing them in the future.  And although people obviously don't need to "prove" their opinions, it does help the conversation along if they provide reasons for them.

Lord Grievous said:

This latest version has his right eye so dark it seems like he's got a black eye, and that smile (in my opinion) doesn't belong there.

Although this whole thing is now academic, since Ady has said he's happy with this clip and is done with it, I just wanted to reply to this.  Regarding the "black eye", yeah, I guess upon comparing both images, the shadow over the Emperor's left eye (our right) does seem more pronounced in the newer clip.  However, it's just showing what was already there.  Having brightened the image may, therefore, be questionable to some, but it does bring it visually more in line with the other holograms in the saga.

As for the Emperor not smiling...

what movie are you watching? ;)

Personally, I'll miss seeing new video clips Ady, but, sadly, I think you're right in your decision not to share them anymore.  Constructive criticism is good, but hyper-critiquing and deconstructing a video frame-by-frame can only lead to frustration for you.  I'd like to think most of the criticism people make comes from a genuine desire to help you make the best edit you can, but I think it quickly crosses the fine line into whining.  And as someone mentioned earlier, a lot of comments come without thinking of what can actually be done on your part.

For what it's worth, I, like many others, think the Emperor clip looks fantastic.  Trust in your own judgement Adywan -- it's steered you in the right direction thus far :)

Quick question: I mentioned in an earlier post that I grew up watching a taped broadcast of Star Wars.  The broadcast in question was taped from First Choice Super Channel (now TMN) in 1982.  Would the sound mix from that broadcast be the 1977 theatrical stereo one?

Well, thanks to hairy_hen and The Starkiller's Guide to the Star Wars Mono Sound Mix, I was able to cobble together a list of at least some of the differences between the different tracks for each film.  For the mono track, I went ahead and listed EVERY difference I came across, but I don't know if this level of detail is wanted/needed.

Everyone, please feel free to add/edit/correct anything as needed.

STAR WARS

1977 70mm Six-Track Reconstruction (Dolby Digital 5.1)

-       1993 audio mix (sourced from 1977 stereo and six-track mix)

-       Upmixed to five channels

-       LFE bass from 1993 mix and 2004 Special Edition

1977 Theatrical 2.0 Surround

 

 1977 Theatrical Mono

Notable features 

-       Different alarm in background aboard the Tantive IV Blockade Runner

-       Different voice for Aunt Beru

-       R2-D2 beeps upon the discovery of the slaughtered Jawas (also featured in the 2004 mix)

-       Sounds made by snake-like cantina patron (opposite Wolfman patron) are extended (also featured in the 2004 mix)

-       Chewbacca growls as stormtroopers pass him and Han in the cantina (also featured in the 2004 mix)

-       Different voice/lines used by stormtrooper while searching for C-3PO and R2-D2 in Mos Eisley

-       Different sound effects for 3D chess game

-       Chewbacca makes an extra growl while playing 3D chess (also featured in the 2004 mix)

-       3D chess monsters make different noises

-       Deceleration sound heard when Millennium Falcon exits hyperspace near the Death Star

-       Radio frequency sound effect heard after Han says, “Chewie, jam its transmissions”

-       Different sound effect of Millennium Falcon being caught in the Death Star’s tractor beam

-       Contains C-3PO’s explanation of the tractor beam

-       Different voice/lines when Governor Tarkin is informed of the detention block security alert

-       Different foley and ADR during trash compactor sequence

-       Different take of C-3PO saying, “What? Use the comlink? Oh my, I forgot, I turned it off”

-       Different cho effect in Death Star chasm

-       Contains the line “Close the blast doors”

-       Additional gun turret sound effects heard while Luke prepares for TIE fighter battle aboard the Millennium Falcon

-       Different take of Luke saying, “So, you got your reward and you’re just leaving then?”

-       Porkins does not scream

-       Different voice for Death Star countdown

-       Luke says “Blast it, Biggs,” not “Blast it, Wedge”

-       Battle of Yavin radio chatter is undistorted

1985 Home Video 2.0 Surround Remix

1993 Home Video 2.0 Surround Remix

Star Wars Isolated Stereo Score

 

THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK

 

Alternate Dolby Digital 5.1 "version 1" Remix

-       1993 audio mix

-       LFE bass from 2004 Special Edition

Alternate Dolby Digital 5.1 "version 2" Remix

-       1993 audio mix

-       LFE bass from 2004 Special Edition

Notable features

-       Snowspeeder crash sound from 1980 mix

-       Boba Fett’s departure from Bespin uses Williams’ unedited score from 1997 mix

 

Alternate Dolby Digital 5.1 "PURIST" Remix

-       1993 audio mix

-       LFE bass from 2004 Special Edition

Notable features

-       Snowspeeder crash sound from 1980 mix

 

1980 Theatrical 2.0 Surround

Notable features

-       Snowspeeder makes a sound when it crashes

 

1993 Home Video 2.0 Surround Remix

Notable features

-       No snowspeeder crash sound

 

Empire Strikes Back Isolated Stereo Score

 

RETURN OF THE JEDI

Alternate Dolby Digital 5.1 "version 1" Remix

-       1993 audio mix

-       LFE bass from 2004 Special Edition

Notable features

 

Alternate Dolby Digital 5.1 "version 2" Remix

-       1993 audio mix

-       LFE bass from 2004 Special Edition

Notable features

-       Obi-Wan’s appearance on Dagobah uses Williams’ previously unused music

-       Vader’s defeat uses music from 1977 35mm stereo mix

Alternate Dolby Digital 5.1 "PURIST" Remix

-       1993 audio mix

-       LFE bass from 2004 Special Edition

Notable features

-       Vader’s defeat uses music from 1977 35mm stereo mix

1983 Theatrical 2.0 Surround

1993 Home Video 2.0 Surround Remix

Return of the Jedi Isolated Stereo Score

 

Whew!  Thanks for the info h_h, that's a lot to digest.

d_j, would you / could you consider including some sort of "read me" file with these discs, or perhaps include something in the DVD menu, to illustrate the differences between all these tracks?

I'd volunteer to do it, but I think others here would be much more qualified to do it than me.

EDIT:

One more thing.  Sorry for the audio-noob question, but given the track listings from the previous page, does that mean when I pop in one of these movies (e.g., Star Wars) I'll have a total of nice tracks to choose from?  Just asking, as I'm not sure if the PCM/AC3 tracks are separate choices I can make, or if the player decides what tracks to make available.

EDIT #2:

Oops, "nice" = "nine / 9"

That's quite the list of tracks.  I just had to give myself a crash course in PCM vs. AC3 and the history of Star Wars audio mixes :)

I wonder how receptive my wife will be to having me replay Star Wars 5 times just to hear all the alternate audio tracks.

Not sure why we're still seeing posts like this:

After Adywan said this:

I wonder if suggestions for blinking eyes would still be made if we didn't know that Ady had used a static image for the upper portion of the Emperor's face.  Sometimes ignorance really is bliss...

+1 about that smile... very cool :)

I don't know about red eyes, but they now seem both yellow and realigned (i.e., looking directly at Vader) in that latest clip, whereas (if I recall correctly) they were neither before.

Very nice Ady :)

P.S.  What, exactly, was altered in the tweaked shots, out of curiosity?  Just brightness/contrast/saturation?  Or were hues tweaked as well?  Maybe it's just that particular scene (Hand and Luke in the Yavin hangar), but Han's shirt seems a bit greenish to me.

Maybe I'm just colour blind, in which case ignore me :)

It could very well be that I'm just used to the original desaturated look of Star Wars, accurate colours or not.  Seeing it 100+ times as a child on VHS (which, in turn, was taped from TV) is certainly causing me to be biased, and probably not in a good way.  Maybe the colours I'm used to seeing are bad, and the tweaks are good... I don't know, hence why I just wanted to get everyone's input one last time.  But I just can't help thinking of Star Wars as a bit brighter, visually-speaking.

Honestly, if I'm alone in thinking the "as is" GOUT colours are better, then you really should trust in the majority's opinion/your gut DJ.  Maybe my eyes are just shot :)  Plus, as you said, you'll never please everyone, and I'm sure you'd like to put this project to rest before you're old and grey.

Regardless of whether you go with the tweaks or not, I'm sure this is going to look fantastic when you're done.

Sorry to stray from the current topic of encoding, and especially sorry to bring the issue of video quality for ANH back up (especially because I'm the only one seemingly of this opinion), but...

<flogging a dead horse>

I was reviewing the tweaked pics and vids from a few pages back, and I can't help but feel the tweaked images are too dark.  Aside from feeling that the overall image looks a bit "off," I find there's a loss of detail from the darkened image (see circled portions below):

I've looked at these on at least 3 different monitors now, and I keep seeing the same thing.  If I'm alone in thinking this, I'll gladly shut up and trust in everyone else's judgement, but I just wanted to throw it out there again for consideration.

That said, I'd just like to reiterate that I still think the image quality is leaps and bounds over any other GOUT version.  And, seeing as how you're the one actually doing all the work DJ, I realize it's your opinion and no one else's that matters at the end of the day.

</flogging a dead horse>

Like some other people here, I thought having the Emperor blink might sell the new hologram a bit more, but really, it's a VERY minor issue, and if Ady says this can't be done convincingly on a human face, then I'll take his word for it.  Regardless of whatever nitpicks we may have, the scene is admittedly far better than anything we ever had previously.

New effects aside, I just wanted to comment on the colours.  I find the blacks to be really rich in the new clips.  I can't wait to see this.

Sevb32 said:

I've seen it in real life.

You know someone named Han?  Cool.

In all seriousness, I don't know what Ady could do about this.  Even if it were possible to seamlessly insert a different audio sample of "Han" to replace the instances where it's pronounced differently (which I don't believe it is), would it really be worth the trouble?  I for one think it's a non-issue.

Your subs look amazing in those screen caps msycamore.  I'm looking forward to seeing this whole thing come together dj.

Well, I'm looking at this clip at work (on a monitor that's admittedly not all that great), but the subs seem a bit too soft to my eye.  Also, dj, to judge the video quality of the clip, could you post a couple side-by-side screen caps of both the tweaked and untweaked V3?  It's hard to judge alone, especially when using the cantina scene.

Man you guys are fast! :)

I've reposted the screen caps in question below in an attempt to make it easier for people to see the differences between them.  By right clicking and opening each in a new tab/window, you can quickly flip between each picture.

Original shot:

Tweaked shot from post 1134:

Tweaked shot from post 1159:

Quick, someone do a side-by-side comparison of Ady's recent screen cap with the GOUT/SE!

Where's 005 when we need him? ;)

P.S.  A tiny donation sent Ady.

Anchorhead said:

Of course, had it been a Lucas-written story, we would have stopped a few miles later, just by chance picked up his sister, all gotten off at the next stop, which was a factory run by her long lost step father, who happened to be the former next door neighbor of the bus driver, who turned out to be the college roommate of the person who started the bus company.

LOL

The only thing you left out was the part about running into the bus company's founder's father's brother's nephew's cousin's former roommate.

Akwat Kbrana said:

Tallguy said:

(None of the stormtroopers in Star Wars were ever mean.)

You mean besides murdering all those jawas, blowing up Luke's boyhood home, and burning the flesh off of a kindly old farmer and his wife? ;)

You've seen TROOPS... you know the stormtroopers were just breaking up an illegal droid smuggling ring and responding to a domestic dispute which they were unable to contain ;)