chyron8472

Harmy said:

chyron8472 said:

One thing I do is run the movie through Handbrake, which compresses the file to something a lot more manageable (eg. putting files on my PS3 requires them to be less than 4GB).

@Chyron: How large (or rather small) is the resulting file?

I posted about the resulting size a bit earlier:

chyron8472 said:

Harmy said:

That's strange - I've used the exact same settings for the AVCHD as for v2.0 and it came out quite a bit smaller (by like 600MB). This on one hand means, that I'll be able to add a few extra audio or subtitle tracks but it's a bit worrying.

Harmy, I ran v2.1 through Handbrake (while, for the audio, only using track 1) at the same settings that I had used for v2.0 and the resultant M4V came out larger.

v2.0 is 2.54GB; v2.1 is 2.58GB

 

 

Nevermind that the file says"2.5" in the screenshot. It was a typo, obviously.

Files from DVD (SD) sources are about half this size (often less), and Blurays can be twice as large. The file size for this looks small to you, but it seems about what I would expect for encodes from Handbrake.

Besides, from what I understand, if the software takes enough time on the encode, it can really get good quality despite the compression. Plus, I've searched high and low on the net for what people, who are in-the-know about this sort of thing, think the best of this type of software is--and everyone who wasn't a mere salesperson seemed to say Handbrake was hands down the best. If Handbrake's manual and forum community is telling me that RF21 is the high end of the scale for HD sources and to be higher reaches well into diminishing returns, then I put stock in what they're telling me.

But again, as I said, I'm going to burn a full blown copy as well. I'm going to watch your (remasters? restorations? preservations?) an inordinate amount of times, believe me. I feel like a kid again as far as Star Wars is concerned, and it's all thanks to you and Adywan.

@Harmy: 18 is above the high end for DVDs (SD sources are 19 at the high end, 21 at the low end).

There's a difference between my watching it from a file on my PS3, and keeping a copy of it on disc. I'm keeping a full-blown direct copy on disc. But I don't need all the file conversions of all the movies in my entire library to be fricken huge in size. I just don't have the hard drive storage space for it.

Given that you, Harmy, are so intimately familiar with all the nuances and details of the film's picture quality, I'm sure you could point out any differences. But I'd bet real money that setting it to 21 for a Bluray would make most people (even most people who frequent this thread) hard-pressed to tell the difference, especially any differences which come anywhere close to remotely meaningful.

EDIT: I'm not saying you wasted your time with being so meticulous about the HD quality picture, nor am I saying that AVCHD is perfectly good enough to make  the Bluray version moot. I'm saying is that 7.9GB for the AVCHD alone--nevermind 13GB for the main m2ts on the Bluray--is a lot of MKV to deal with for just one film when one has dozens of others which are similar in size. I'm saying nothing about the (obvious to me) need and importance of having a full-blown HD copy on disc.

nos402 said:

I downloaded the AVCHD from myspleen. So far just tested it by streaming it from my laptop to my TV via Plex Media Server (unfortunately I think that causes a little audio lag since it's being transcoded on the fly...there was no lag when played directly on my computer in VLC). This is all a brave new world for me but it's worth it for the Despecialized versions! Still learning and sorting all this out. I'm hoping to keep the best quality files I can on an R2-D2 USB drive for playing at a friend's home theater.

You can try encoding the AVCHD to an MKV (or M4V if you have iTunes/AppleTV) to see if that alleviates the audio lag.

Use MakeMKV to convert to MKV. This should keep the entire contents of the film/audio/subtitles intact, and create a file that's the exact same size and quality as the originally included data.

One thing I do is run the movie through Handbrake, which compresses the file to something a lot more manageable (eg. putting files on my PS3 requires them to be less than 4GB).

If you're concerned that Handbrake is going to ruin the picture quality, I'd recommend setting the Constant Quality slider to 21 (HD sources should be between 21 and 23, with 21 being best quality and 23 being smallest size).

Oh, and keep in mind that Handbrake doesn't play well with Bluray subtitles (PGS files), so you'll have to import SRT files from Project Threepio (also available on the spleen) into Hanbrake instead of using the subtitles which were included in the AVCHD.

I don't know--I don't use Windows 8.

I use Windows 7. I don't need 8 because neither my desktop nor my laptop have touch screens, which makes using 8 entirely pointless.

Yes, Steam is heading toward Linux support, but they haven't reached it yet. Further, GOG.com has no Linux support as far as I'm aware. Until either of them do, you can expect people to not bother with Linux if they are at all interested in games.

Also, I would think the biggest part of the PC market is in office computers. It's probably the reason why Microsoft Office and Adobe Photoshop are so popular and expensive--because businesses are willing to pay for it (likely everyone uses Office because everyone else uses Office, alleviating problems caused by converting file formats.)

I'm not sure how keen office managers are on switching all their workstations to Linux. Servers, yes, but workstations?

Again, with the ISO from paradox, just use disc image mounting software just (I use WinCDEmu) to mount the ISO to a drive letter, then you can extract the files from within the drive.

That's what I had to do. 7-Zip says the problems we're having is likely because the ISO file has a bad header. Some unzipping programs can overcome it, but apparently not 7-Zip.

yoda-sama said:

Any way you go, it is hard to see why Windows has the dominance it does, and Windows 8 only goes to prove that it shouldn't realistically be so ubiquitous.

People don't use Macs as much because they have fewer games and because they're more expensive for the same processing power.

People don't use Linux as much because, again there are *MUCH* fewer games, the number of flavors is confusing, and (likely depending more or less on the flavor), it requires a certain understanding about command line usage.

Windows has certain proprietary advantages over Linux; and it has a smaller price point and more power user abilities than Mac OS.

People say that Mac OS is better because there are no viruses, but the reason why is because the market share is so small. If the market share for Mac in any way rivaled that of Windows, you can bet your ass there would indeed be viruses.

Oh, God. I can't believe I did that. lol. It's 2.1. =p

EDIT: Harmy, someone on myspleen asked if there were plans for a 1080p version. I figure the answer is "no" but I thought I'd ask you and get your official response to the question first.

Harmy said:

That's strange - I've used the exact same settings for the AVCHD as for v2.0 and it came out quite a bit smaller (by like 600MB). This on one hand means, that I'll be able to add a few extra audio or subtitle tracks but it's a bit worrying.

Harmy, I ran v2.1 through Handbrake (while, for the audio, only using track 1) at the same settings that I had used for v2.0 and the resultant M4V came out larger.

v2.0 is 2.54GB; v2.1 is 2.58GB

That's one reason why I extracted the files from the ISO before uploading to MySpleen. I tried drag-dropping the ISO directly into VLC and it didn't work. Then I tried extracting the ISO with 7-Zip and it didn't work (7-Zip's FAQ says that might be due to a corrupted header). So, I mounted the ISO to a drive letter, and the mounted image worked in VLC, so I extracted the files from the mount.

Also, as I said, most other DEED AVCHDs on the spleen are not in ISO format, and the Bluray most certainly will not be in an ISO either.

At present, there are 32 leechers on the spleen, with the highest currently at 32%.

There is one other seeder besides myself, but I'm not sure where he came from. All I know is that it seems everyone wants in on this. :)

darth_ender said:

Now that I've explained my joke, the full weight of my wit is diminished :(

Lair.

adywan said:

New screenshot comparison

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/13126

Nice.

Very nice.

darth_ender said:

I believe the proper spelling is colars, but since you live in the UK, I guess I would let it pass if spelled colaurs ;)

In all seriousness, I too enjoy the screenshot comparison, it is very pretty. 

Among the simple but beautiful changes I've noticed is how you brighten the engines, Ady.  Thanks, as always, for your work.  Every day I look for that magical "I'm done" phrase in this thread.  Still very excited :)

It's neat how you correct a variation in spelling with a misspelling. (ie. colors)

It's up.

Harmy put the files in an ISO, but I extracted them from it because 1) I was having issues with it such as opening the ISO in 7-Zip as well as playing it directly in VLC (without mounting it); and 2) for the sake of consistency: the other DEEDs on the Spleen are not in ISOs (except for the SW v2.0 AVCHD), as well the upcoming 2.5 Bluray is required to not be in an ISO, so people can just download the Bluray's .m2ts if they so choose.

Great job, Harmy! Fantastic.

Okay, on to making notes for potentially 2.5:

I think I noticed an error in the movie already, maybe.
At 3:11, right after 3PO says "There'll be no escape [...]" the shot of R2 seems to freeze for a half-second or more on one frame. The audio sounds fine, and the video doesn't skip or get out of sync; it just seems as though while R2 is "talking," part of the video is just one frame.

EDIT: Okay, it's on v2.0 also. Is this how it was originally edited? I'll have to compare it to the GOUT.

I have all but part 13. For some reason, it's being really slow. =\

Likely, I'll have it within the hour though, and when I do, I'll put it on the spleen.

I'm from Tulsa, Oklahoma.


Also, if v2.1 isn't on Myspleen by the time I finish downloading (which in fact should not take very long), I'll upload a torrent of it to there.

By "not very long" I mean 2 or 3 hours from now.

chyron8472 said:

Which of these looks better?

 

 

 

 

from here.

It doesn't bother me for people to want one version or the other or both regarding the debate between having an "Episode IV" and "A New Hope". I'm just happy people like it. I'm perfectly willing to change it to whatever, as well as upload a .psd so people can change it themselves if they want.

Which of these looks better?

What font is this?

yoda-sama said:

Chyron8472, I really want the versions of the covers you have in mind.  I personally agree with your stance on "official" looking covers over anal adherence to particulars.  Though it might be good to supply an array of cover versions to appease the masses...

Okay. =p

I liked that "A long time ago" blurb on dlvh's spine.

My ultimate personal intent (for my own self) is to have an official looking box set wherein I will have 3 bluray cases for the OT which include Ady's SE's and Harmy's OOT's (just like the 2006 DVD cases have both SE and GOUT); and 3 cases for Q2's (aka. thunderclap's) "Fall of the Jedi" prequel fan edits in similarly official-looking (and matching) cases. I find that Q2's prequel edits actually make the prequels good, in my opinion. Good enough, in fact, to permanently replace my theatrical versions.

Cobra Kai said:

I'm going to go with something like this.  Nice and official looking with no episode numbers.

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Blu-Ray-and-other-HD-box-size-STAR-WARS-covers/post/578053/#TopicPost578053

 

 

I have two problems with myself doing that: 1) It doesn't match any prequel box art; and 2) The OOT movies are wonderful enough to each deserve their own box.

Also, available cover art for ESB and ROTJ just screams at me to have to use them.

So what would you rather be put in place of "A New Hope"? (I'm seriously asking.)

"Despecialized"?   That makes it look less official, in my opinion. I want to have a box set that is absolutely definitive and no one looking at it would question whether it's official. This isn't a fanedit. It's a remaster.

When someone watches my original Star Wars trilogy, I want them to ask where I got it from--not why it says "Despecialized" on the box.

I'm also doing cover art for ESB and ROTJ in a similar (ie. almost identical) fashion to my SW cover. Should I have episode numbers on their spines? They do have numbers in the crawls, but that doesn't required them to be on the box art.

EDIT: Harmy, I'm not meaning to pick at you for using the word "Despecialized." To me, the project is called Despecialized, but the end product is simply an unofficial remaster of the OOT. It removes the words "Special Edition" from the movies, to leave behind just plain old Star Wars (in HD!).

I made a new SW:DE cover for myself by cannibalizing other cover art, posters and such. I know there's another thread for this, but I didn't know how often people visit it.

I like the idea of it saying it's the original theatrical version (which it is) on the box, instead of "Despecialized." I thought it would go over well with my family and friends should I give them a copy of the DEED trilogy.

Adywan, what specific music tracks (ie. what versions from which albums) were added to the end credits of ANH:R? I really love the sound of the horns (trombones?) at 2:05:26 (Throne Room music) and so I would love to be able to track down and buy whatever versions of the music you had added.

*snip* wrong thread again. =\

adywan said:

TheDerider said:

I did feel there was one place that went a little too far, which was the snowspeeder count. In the clip we see, at least, there's a very clear count of four speeders (save for the "Echo Station Fox Seven" shot), and it further emphasizes the impressiveness of the fight by showing how under-equipped and inventive the Rebellion is. With the additional speeders, whom we do not see during that fight, some of that impressiveness is lost for the sake of one shot. If there are more speeders for the sake of continuity that I'm unaware of, I'm not sure it would really be that many.

There are a lot more than just 4 snowspeeders shown throughout the battle in the official version.

The first shot we see ("Echo station 5-7, we're on our way.) , we see 5 snowspeeders flying alongside Luke, then it cuts to the shot of only 4 speeders, then cuts to 9 speeders flying overhead of the troops in the trenches. Then, when Luke first reaches the walkers we see 3 speeders, with one going to the opposite side of the AT-At then cuts to 4 speeders flying past the walker. So it shows that they have split into groups and in that shot alone there were at least 5 on screen. But if there was only supposed to be 4 speeders throughout the whole battle then there must be killed pilots/ speeders coming back to life:-

First one killed is just before Dak gets killed. We see a speeder shot down behind Luke in the cockpit shot when Luke says "Just hang on. Hang on Dak", so that would leave 3; Luke, Wedge and Red 2, but we know that there is another pilot left at least - Hobbie. Later on , just after R2 is loaded into Luke's X-Wing, we see a speeder going down with heavy smoke trailing it behind the walkers. But we know that all the pilots i mentioned are still alive after this scene, so that means more speeders.

There are 6 in the first shot (other than Luke, which would make 7). Initially there are 4 to the right of the frame and 1 that can only partially be seen on the left (between his helmet and a strut). Then 1 more speeder flies down into the frame after a second or two.

Also, keep in mind that this shot only shows out of Luke's left cockpit window. There are surely more on his right (considering he's Rogue Leader).