If you're going to go back and fix ESB:DE, the one thing I notice most that could be fixed is the saturation level of the red lights.
I agree tha the CG-ness of the binoculars shot is pretty much gone. However, I wonder how much it might improve by having particles of snow moving on the foot's impact.
Then again, I don't recall what the AT-AT foot impacts did to the snow during the scene where Luke's snowspeeder was squashed.
Burdokva said:
The binoculars scene looked somewhat off. Maybe it's that the new CGI AT-ATs do not have the characteristic wobble/swaying of the actuals models, or it looks too pristine? [...]
Which is strange, as the CGI is otherwise seamlessly integrated and I'm having hard time distinguishing it from the physical models.
Maybe consider adding more grain to the black area (the binoculars), and slight camera/hand shake?
I have to say I agree with this. The CGI models elsewhere in the clip look absolutely fantastic and real. But the shot of the walkers through the electrobinoculars seems rather... obviously computer generated.
I think maybe the sequence is too smooth. Maybe if the image through the binoculars wobbled a bit or something...
Well, I have seen Q2's Fall of the Jedi fanedits, and I have decided that the prequels really aren't so bad. They're not not ZOMGFANTABULISTIC like the OOT, but they're really pretty good.
...so long as you watch the right fan edit. L8wrtr's Ep.2 edit is slightly better than Q2's Ep. 2, but his Ep 1 and Ep 3 edits are decidedly worse. You can't use L8wrtr's Ep. 2 with Q2's 1 and 3 though because Q2's has very different ideas on how to improve the prequels (such as removing the droids.)
So this shining-a-turd business about the prequels, for me, isn't quite so accurate. It would seem the underlying story isn't the part that's crap. It's just buried under bad acting by Jake Lloyd, whining by Hayden, eye-rolling anachronisms by 3PO, boring title crawls and poop jokesJar Jar Binks.
Just to reiterate: He's not releasing an extra M2TS. He's planning to release the main film's M2TS for the Bluray separately from the rest of the Bluray's files.
Unless you wait for someone else to upload the Bluray to Myspleen. Then it will be together.
I've just now uploaded the NTSC DVD9 version to Myspleen, if anyone cares.
I made sure to change the .iso a bit (ie. I added a readme) so that the hash is decidedly not the same as on public torrents.
EDIT (next morning): So, I uploaded the NTSC DVD9 of this yesterday to Myspleen... and ALREADY Myspleen says it has been "snatched" (completed) 11 times. Sheesh.
*snip* wrong thread. =\
For some reason, the AVCHD version of Episode 3 was missing from Myspleen, so I downloaded it from usenet and re-torrented it there.
Just letting everyone know, if they had trouble finding it previously.
BuckNaked said:
Yes, I read that post:
CONTAINER: MKV
SIZE: 15.7GB
Just wasn't sure why it is so much larger than the Despecialized ESB and ROTJ. I guess that's the right one then.
The 15.7 GB MKV is the 2.0 version. It just hasn't been converted to Bluray format for burning.
Myspleen also has the AVCHD and DVD5 versions, so pick what you want. I got the AVCHD because the rest of the trilogy (albeit only 1.0) is also AVCHD.
Suffice it to say that any version is good. But as has been said, 2.1 is coming out soon so be prepared to download again as it has lots of improvements over 2.0.
I wish there was a faneditor's commentary.
I would love to watch this and to hear you talk about the various bits you did to restore the films.
Harmy said:
I'm really hopeless at any kind of sound work.
Who did the sound work for the other audio tracks?
Yes, but that would still mean that when he said it was 25 years ago, and 9 years before the SE's came out.
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...only 9 years. Okay, that makes him even more of a retard.
timdiggerm said:
So, the "artist" was limited by problems. I can see the rough cut perspective.
No he wasn't. If you'd have asked George back then what he thought of people people who make changes to classic films, even so much as colorizing black & white films, he'd have said that such films are a part of our cultural heritage and should be allowed to remain as they originally were seen.
In fact, he did say this back then, because someone did ask him about it.
Just because he was the copyright holder, it doesn't make him any less of a retard for forgetting what his original vision even was.
His original vision wasn't to have Vader yell "No" during the climax of ROTJ, or else to make Greedo the worst shot in the universe. So I will never watch those changes again as long as I live, if I can avoid it.
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And anyway, the real problem isn't the changes--it's the fact that he so hates fans of Star Wars that the only way he would release the OOT was in a degraded letterboxed format.
Matticon said:
I was only asking the questions cause ADY has spent a lot of time talking and trying to find sources for the original colours.
Matt.
Same.
No problem at all. :)
I was just pointing it out since I saw someone on FB link to it and I frequent here often enough.
I always thought that if anyone should have had a purple lightsaber (ie. red+blue=purple) it should have been Dooku and not Mace Windu. This would have given meaning to the color of his lightsaber, but instead we just have Windu getting purple because Samuel L. Jackson asked for it, which is retarded and for no justifiable reason at all screws up the understanding that Jedi are blue or green and Sith are red.
Ooh. Yes, I notice now. Fantastic.
My computer monitor is small enough (and given that I had the video fullscreened) that I hadn't seen that level of detail at first. Nice job.
Yes. I downloaded it and uploaded to Youtube. :)
I just wanted to show it to my parents on their AppleTV, and I dunno if it has Vimeo on it.
I love that trailer. I've shown it to my wife, and she was thoroughly impressed. I think it won her over to watching your fanedits (which I have seen, and find to be fantastic.)
About the covers, I just want to get some authentic-looking covers for your edits that match authentic-looking OT covers. That way I can have your PT edits, Adywan's SE's and Harmy's OOT, in what will be my ultimate, definitive Star Wars box set.
The issue really is trying to find a good, matching Episode III cover that doesn't have Vader on it.
idk what he's talking about.
Great job, Harmy. It looks a lot better.
btw, I want to apologize if it seems I'm picking at your work in Ady's ESB:R thread. For the record, your versions of these movies are the definitive versions of the OOT. I only pointed out to him something you might have overlooked in your 1.0 versions (and certainly Lucasfilm did for the Blurays).
I really love what you're doing. Keep it up!
All I know is that in this:
those red lights are a distraction. It should be obvious that the lights, especially the ones on the right on the right of the frame, should not be that bright. If you watch that scene, you will notice that your eyes are drawn to those lights above the snowtrooper.
This sort of thing happens all throughout the movie:
No, but there needs to be explanation of what happens. There can't just be this event in the movie where people who keep up with the EU know what happened and people who don't have no clue.
If he changes form suddenly, there should be an obvious reason why he changes. While the theatrical version creates continuity errors with other events in the saga, it at least can be understood for the viewer to know what just happened.
If he has a Palpatine form and a Sideous form, then it needs to be implemented so that even the casual, first-time viewer knows what is going on.
Q2 does have them there on occasion (ie. in the background of important scenes), but they have no speaking parts and are not mentioned by name. Really the justification for them being there at all in his edits is that he didn't have the expertise to recolor every single shot of them.
It is possible to make (Hayden's) Anakin an interesting character rather than an annoying one, and it is also possible to make Anakin and Padme's love story believeable.
I like L8wrtr's explanation for what needed to be changed about Ep 2 to make it good:
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/topic/12973/
Friendship We all know that Anakin and Obi-Wan are supposed to be “good friends” so it was quite disjointing to see Obi-Wan be a dick to Anakin throughout the movie, as well as Anakin be a petulant, ungrateful whiner. By cutting out the mutual antagonism we are left with two characters we can believe are friends. The audience wants them to be friends, and by eliminating the obstacles to that, we now can simply accept that we are watching two friends on screen.
We need a Hero From the first frame, grown up Anakin is annoying. He’s timid and unsure one moment, disrespectful and bitchy the next. Audiences react so negatively to these extreme personality traits that the moments where Ankin is likable or heroic are lost. By carving out his creepy leering at Padme, his whining, and his unexplained outbursts of anger, what remains are glimpses of the hero we want to like and root for, at least as much as can be salvaged with the footage we have at our disposal.
A Love Story People bash Lucas for the stilted dialog, and this is a fair criticism, however I can forgive that because it is par for the course in the Saga of Star Wars. What is perplexing is how he chose to have them resist their emotions. We all know that they will end up together so the ruse of them resisting is at best distracting, but worse it impedes the progression of the actual story. In addition to eliminating their resistance, it is key to also remove Lucas’ attempt to show how/why they fall in love. He forgot his own brilliant solution to how to tell a love story back from The Empire Strikes Back; don’t show it. We never see why Han and Leia fall in love, we simply have two characters we like who over the course of several scenes admit their love for each other. Fixing Anakin and cutting out the more on-the-nose aspects of the story results in a love story that is far more believable.
What I do NOT like about L8wrtr's Episode 3 edit is Palpatine's "reveal" of his true "Sith form." The movie doesn't explain what happened. You are just watching Palpatine fight with Windu and Palpy looks normal; cut to Windu/Anakin; then cut back to Palpy who now is inexplicably white and wrinkly.
Either Palpatine's appearance should have been changing over time as the Dark Side corrupted his appearance, or else the theatrical version of events should have been left intact. I had to listen to L8wrtr's DVD commentary track to know what the heck happened.
Also, L8wrtr had a fixation with Yoda never using his lightsaber, but it created a WTF moment: You see the troopers being given Order 66 and then walking toward Yoda; we cut away to elsewhere in the galaxy; and when we see Yoda next, he is safe and sound, next to his pod before leaving Kashyyyk.
I want 3 movies, not just one. After all, ANH:R says "Episode IV" in the title crawl.
Let me talk about what I like in other fan edits that I would like to see implemented:
-- Q2's Fall of the Jedi Trilogy
I love that Padme isn't dead at the end of Episode 3. I especially love that there is, in fact, a scene with her alive and holding Leia (in which she is not in the medical bay).
Wholly removing R2 and 3PO from the prequels really helps the movies. It sounds dumb and unnecessary, but it really works.
-- L8wrtwr's fan edits
I like "Shadow of the Sith", "The Republic Divided", and "Dawn of the Empire" better than the official titles. I especially dislike the name "Attack of the Clones."
more to come...