Someone should interview as many of the original model makers as they can and write a book. Maybe with a week-by-week breakdown of the history and construction of this model as I swear no two pictures before filming have the model in the same state.
There a project for this…
What a strange site.
I am a Christian–a Baptist, living in the Bible Belt. Granted, I am a Christian Democrat, but there we are. I think myself a moderate, as the position of where my views are on the conservative-liberal continuum depend on the issue.
Obama is a Christian. To say otherwise is to forget the time where he had to distance himself from his long-time Christian pastor (and, according to media coverage, mentor) in 2008 when said pastor was being inflammatory against Hillary (in a rather racist fashion). Obama waited a long time to disavow his association, but ultimately did so when the guy wouldn’t stop despite being asked to.
And Obama has given a rather fantastic speech specifically and at length about his faith at the Sojourners’ Call to Renewal conference in 2006.
In 2006. Before he ever decided to run for president.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCZOyGIKp_E
https://sojo.net/articles/transcript-obamas-2006-sojournerscall-renewal-address-faith-and-politics
This speech about his faith was one of the reasons I liked him so much when he ran back then.
JEDIT: He talks about when he gave his life to Christ at 14:50 in that video. I’m watching this video as I write this and it really speaks to me, as a man of faith myself, as coming from a man whose faith is genuine and heartfelt.
Well, it would have been nice if the Dems would have had someone better than Hillary.
It would be nice if I was actually a millionaire. We have to play the cards we are dealt, but some chose to fold and cry instead.
Kind of like how it would be nice to be Batman, but then you’d also have to forever cope with your parents being murdered right in front of you when you were a kid.
…or maybe it’s nothing like that at all. I don’t know why I make that comparison.
@yotsuya
Several of those questions about TFA are answered in the book. That is, if you care you know the answers to them, but you probably don’t.Stuff like the relationship between the New Republic and the Resistance and why Han and Chewie found the Falcon so fast is explained in the movie as well. Also a line or two isn’t enough to please everyone. Some people needs things to be fleshed out a little more.
I imagine there are deleted scenes which further flesh out some of those things, but were cut for time or pacing or something.
I tried to figure out a ranking of the prequels and R1, but then I realized that I never want to watch any of those movies again. R1 may be better directed, but its story and characters are just as boring as those of the prequels.
This is an answer I can get behind. That is to say, I don’t agree with you at all with regard to your negative view of Rogue One, but it does appear to have rational reasoning behind it and very definitely is not just trolling or whiny-poopy-pantsness.
(note: That’s actually a serious comment and not sarcasm.)
@yotsuya
Several of those questions about TFA are answered in the book. That is, if you care you know the answers to them, but you probably don’t.
The star was still being drained during the X-wing assault in the original version.
Yes, I know that. So that would also be an additional error with the original; not just that the planet was illuminated after the star was fully drained?
Into Darkness was just such a fucking abysmal, vapid, soulless, derivative cash-grab it was genuinely offensive.
Which is why I have the “Seeds of Wrath” fan edit of Into Darkness. It’s not perfect by any stretch, but somewhat better.
Literally everything [about Destiny so far] looks like absolute hot garbage.
Okay, yes. Yes it does. I’ve seen the teaser, and it generates all kinds of NOPE within me.
Watched v1.0 the other day. It’s a great start and really does help the second act. One thing I did think about is… if the star is being drained during the X-Wing approach, why is the stream not visible in that shot? I figure the collector is maybe not the same location as the cannon, but you can still see (sunlight on) the planet–so the star should be behind the camera somewhere, meaning the stream ought to have been visible.
I think I can partially forgive Lucas for some of his gaffs in the PT because he gave us the OT. But I cannot forgive Abrams for what he did to Star Trek and so the flaws of TFA are far more glaring to me and highly annoy me to a greater extent.
In my opinion, Star Trek’s Prime Universe had long since cornered the fan base. There are people who like TOS and its movies but don’t care for anything else; people who hate DS9 because it’s not enough like TNG; people who hate VOY because it’s too much like TNG; and people who hate ENT because it’s generally unoriginal. And/or they hate (pick anything post-TNG) because damn you Rick Berman.
So the Trek franchise needs new fans. Enter JJ Abrams, who says he injected some feeling of Star Wars into Star Trek. Great. Sure. Fantastic.
But the Kelvin Timeline (aka JJverse) events don’t overwrite the Prime Universe. In Star Trek, anything that can happen does happen in alternate quantum realities. Therefore, both universes exist, and JJ didn’t ruin it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzUEu7Gb7Cg
JEDIT: You just wait until Star Trek: Discovery comes out. Fans are going to come out in droves saying it sucks because reasons.
Also, the release of the rest of the Sequel Trilogy might retroactively make TFA a better movie given added context.
Or make it even worse. If The Last Jedi is good, TFA will still be a very weak (and bad) entry. I’ll probably just skip it and watch The Last Jedi immediately afterwards Return of the Jedi.
I don’t see how you could expect The Last Jedi to be good. You you hate Rogue One. You at the very least strongly dislike The Force Awakens. I imagine you also don’t like the second half of Return of the Jedi.
So if the last Star Wars movie released that you thought was “good” from start to finish was probably The Empire Strikes Back,–given 6 successive irredeemably horrible failures to impress after that, I don’t see why you should even bother watching The Last Jedi at all. Better to just give up every further entry in the franchise as a bad job and save other people from hearing your bellyaching about it.
That’s probably it. Or, even simpler: R1 is really bad. Who knows ?
What I know is: I like Rogue One. I like it a lot, I have legitimate reasons for liking it, and I’m not a fool for doing so.
By the way: I like the book better.
I’m more concerned about Rogue One being so high. It’s the most boring SW movie to date with characters so lame even Jar Jar is badass in comparaison…
Or maybe you’re a hipster and therefore enjoy not enjoying things when a significant number of the mainstream seems to like them.
each new released film is the best until people wake up and start looking without the hype filter
As opposed to a nostalgia filter?
I know I said TFA is derivative and fan-service-y, but there are many elements to the film that just really win me over. I really love everything about the Finn character and John Boyega’s portrayal of him; the effects (especially dropping out of hyperspace with a planet popping into view); the action sequences like the flight from Jakku…
I recently said TFA was in my top 3, but then Rogue One came out. Rogue One is amazing.
My current rankings for my preferred watchable versions of the films are:
- Star Wars (Despecialized)
- Rogue One
- Revenge of the Sith (Q2 edit)
- The Force Awakens
- Return of the Jedi (Despecialized)
- The Empire Strikes Back (Despecialized)
- Attack of the Clones (Q2 edit)
- The Phantom Menace (Q2 edit)
Now, that isn’t on a scale of amazing to horrible. I actually feel that The Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones are decent films if edited properly. And I have to put Q2’s Revenge of the Sith near the top of my list because I’ve watched it so many many times when I needed my Star Wars fix and so often picked that to watch of my then-six choices.
The reason why Sith bumps out Awakens at present is due to TFA being a standalone film that–on its own–is derivative and fan-service-y. Hal’s “Gentle Restructure” edit helps that though and might push it above ROTS soon after Hal fixes certain issues v1.0 has. Also, the release of the rest of the Sequel Trilogy might retroactively make TFA a better movie given added context.
I know we’re supposed to respect all opinions but any list that has ROTS #3 and ESB #6 has some serious problems. I don’t care if it’s allowing for a fanedited ROTS or not.
It’s not so much a list of best-to-worst as much as a list from my favorite film to not-quite-as-much. I put Star Wars and Episode III at the top because I have watched them so SO many times compared to the others.
…Historically though, my favorite OT film has been the original Return of the Jedi, which is one reason why the stupid SE changes ruin that film so much for me. The fact that Harmy keeps working on SW is what keeps it at the top, as my interest is continually piqued. Meanwhile, Empire is a great film, but I’ve always liked the classic adventure that is Jedi better.
And of course, you might have posted that before reading my added edit to that post:
chyron8472 said:
My all-time ranking of the official releases (past and present) are:.1. Rogue One
.2. Return of the Jedi (1983)
.3. The Force Awakens
.4. The Empire Strikes Back (1980)
.5. Star Wars (1977)
.6. The Empire Strikes Back (Special Edition)
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.9. Revenge of the Sith
.10. Star Wars (Special Edition)
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.1138. Return of the Jedi (Special Edition)
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.2187. The Phantom Menace
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.3263827. Attack of the Cloneswith the bottom three listed being eye-rollingly, butt-numbingly, unwatchably awful.
My current rankings for my preferred watchable versions of the films are:
Now, that isn’t on a scale of amazing to horrible. I actually feel that The Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones are decent films if edited properly. And I have to put Q2’s Revenge of the Sith near the top of my list because I’ve watched it so many many times when I needed my Star Wars fix and so often picked that to watch of my then-six choices.
The reason why Sith bumps out Awakens at present is due to TFA being a standalone film that–on its own–is derivative and fan-service-y. Hal’s “Gentle Restructure” edit helps that though and might push it above ROTS soon after Hal fixes certain issues v1.0 has. Also, the release of the rest of the Sequel Trilogy might retroactively make TFA a better movie given added context.
My all-time ranking of the official releases (past and present) are:
.1. Rogue One
.2. Return of the Jedi (1983)
.3. The Force Awakens
.4. The Empire Strikes Back (1980)
.5. Star Wars (1977)
.6. The Empire Strikes Back (Special Edition)
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.9. Revenge of the Sith
.10. Star Wars (Special Edition)
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.1138. Return of the Jedi (Special Edition)
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.2187. The Phantom Menace
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.3263827. Attack of the Clones
with the bottom three listed being eye-rollingly, butt-numbingly, unwatchably awful.
So what then are the best versions of the TOS movies to own, by the standards of this forum?
it could mean scrapping the Wampa
This would be terrible 😦
and also incredibly anticlimactic
Worst case scenario he sends it to me and I make a hit YouTube series, “Wampa & The Hendersons”.
Worst?
Also, you could do that anyway.
Not sure how long you’ve been reading this thread but a lot of us get confused by much of what Fo says vs what he’s trying to say.
lol.
What gets me is that the country seems to have completely forgotten about the debt crisis we’re in. Owing trillions of dollars, runaway spending… The concept that Trump is weekly spending millions on golf trips to Mar-a-lago seems to be met with a shake of the head and a shrug in lieu of complaining about his inane tweets.
Cutting funding to PBS seems to be a minor concern comparatively, but it’s what the media would rather talk about.
I wish they would remaster VOY and DS9 for Bluray. DS9 is currently my favorite Trek series.
Stay classy, Trump Jr!
Someone needs to tell him that when he says dumb things, it reflects badly on dear ol’ dad.
I read the article Donald Trump Jr. was referencing and London’s Mayor did indeed say … Sadiq Khan has said he believes the threat of terror attacks are “part and parcel of living in a big city” and encouraged Londoners to be vigilant to combat dangers.
The comment starts off the article.
So it’s kinda weird that the New York Times would twist the narrative against a Trump and it would get quoted here as factual? Now, I cannot say why Donald Trump Jr. decided to point out the irony of the comment to the person who said it but I would guess that he felt that since someone made the comment about the New York incident they should remember what they said before saying anything about their own terrorist incident?
I don’t have the answers, just the original article quoted, to show that the tweet was not some crappy random comment from a Trump relative.
In wake of the London attack today, with people dying and still fighting for their lives in hospital, Donald Trump Jr didn’t send condolences - instead he dragged up an old article to attack London’s Mayor - and even fucked that up by taking The Mayor’s words out of context, or just not understanding them.
Yet you think that tweet from him was not some crappy random comment from a Trump relative?
Really?
In America, we have freedom of speech. None of us have to like what he said and I never claimed to agree with what he said on any level. I am sad to hear about what happened and the U.K. and I am personally glad the sob was shot and killed.
Freedom of speech is in a lot of places, and has nothing to do with what I said.
You said ‘…to show that the tweet was not some crappy random comment from a Trump relative.’
I said 'In wake of the London attack today, with people dying and still fighting for their lives in hospital, Donald Trump Jr didn’t send condolences - instead he dragged up an old article to attack London’s Mayor - and even fucked that up by taking The Mayor’s words out of context, or just not understanding them.
Yet you think that tweet from him was not some crappy random comment from a Trump relative?
Really?’
Would you like to answer the question about whether you think that tweet from him was not some crappy random comment from a Trump relative?
Jason, you and I get along well, and I’m not going to argue platitudes with you. I don’t support what he said, I don’t like what he said, but he has the right to say it. I read the U.K. article and the article does indeed start out the way I posted it. I took nothing out of context but it is obvious that a lot of people feel that Donald Jr. did. Cool, I’m not arguing their right to do so, nor am I arguing about people feeling that way.
Now, if that U.K. article is wrong, they should be printing a retraction, and apologize to London’s Mayor for it. I don’t know either the London Mayor or Donald Jr. so I cannot and will not speak for them. It would have been appropriate for him to offer condolences but I cannot answer why he didn’t nor can I make him do it. As you said, he is responsible for his own words and actions, not me not you nor his Father. I am more concerned about my fellow human beings overseas than I am about what he said.
That’s all very well - but the only question was, and is, a simple one:-
Do you think that tweet from him (Trump Jnr) was not some crappy random comment from a Trump relative?
No, I do not think it was some random crappy comment from a Trump relative, he made a statement.
Now, would you mind stepping off my hands about it? Thank you.
Well, you could have just answered that simple question in the first instance instead of what you wrote in between, no?
He did answer it. His answer implied it rather obviously in the context of his statement.
You don’t get to feel superior for badgering someone until they answer exactly how you would have them answer. If his answer is to respond about why Jr said that, rather than just “no”, then you should read into that. This is a conversation, not a congressional hearing.
Who is feeling superior? Not many people. Not me for sure. Why would anyone want to?
To be answered with ‘In America, we have freedom of speech here…’, which if anything could be interpreted as evading the question - or maybe come across as superior, no?
No. He said Jr. had the freedom to say it, which in context means he thinks Jr. said it.
A simple question can have a simple answer.
But again, this is a conversation. If he wants to elaborate or meander or what have you, he can. That’s how conversations work. Again, this is not a deposition. Even if a simple question can have a simple answer, a simple answer is not required. The fact that you could not infer a “no” from his answer is on you, not him.
Don’t badger people for direct answers like that. It’s rude.
Plus, why would I feel superior? Why would anyone want to? Why did you even write ‘You don’t get to feel superior…’?
Because, instead of letting it go, you’re still talking about it. You did badger him, as evidenced by his telling you to step off his hands. And afterward, you thanked him for finally letting you get your way–and in effect congratulating yourself. The appropriate thing to do would have been to apologize for making him do it.
Social interaction is not always overt. It has subtleties. One can convey things without saying them outright. He can say “no” without actually saying the word “no”, and you can pat yourself on the back in the act of thanking someone.
I would prefer Sanders because if Pence moves forward you and other Clinton supporters are going to turn this thread in to a smoldering pile of guano, guaranteed, LOL.
I’m an Oklahoma Democrat. I liked Bernie, but I thought his ideas were too “pie-in-the-sky” to actually work. I felt, while Hillary is flawed to some degree, her ideas of what and how to get things done were more realistic.
That being said, I think I’d prefer Pence over Trump any day of the week and twice on Sundays, because at least the man is cool headed and respectable even if I disagree with him.
I pretty much agree with all of this.
Sanders could have taken Trump had he not been cheated. If Pence ran on his own for President he’d a never made it to the Primaries.
True.
I just think Sanders’ ideas, as far left as they are, would have been met with the same obstructionism in Congress as had Obama’s (though for different reasons). While Hillary, though not the ideal candidate, would be better at getting things done. Reaching across the aisle and so forth. Sure, there would be push back, but maybe not so unilaterally.
Although she truly was out of touch with why she lost (as Sanders says, to blame Comey is short sighted in the larger context). The fact that she hired Debbie after Debbie was ousted for cheating Sanders certainly shows that Hillary was out of touch with the general feeling during this election.
As Hillary said, she would have been a good president; she just wasn’t very good at running for president. Well, she apparently couldn’t figure out how to fix that or why she even needed to at the time, and that is why she was not electable.
Stay classy, Trump Jr!
Someone needs to tell him that when he says dumb things, it reflects badly on dear ol’ dad.
I read the article Donald Trump Jr. was referencing and London’s Mayor did indeed say … Sadiq Khan has said he believes the threat of terror attacks are “part and parcel of living in a big city” and encouraged Londoners to be vigilant to combat dangers.
The comment starts off the article.
So it’s kinda weird that the New York Times would twist the narrative against a Trump and it would get quoted here as factual? Now, I cannot say why Donald Trump Jr. decided to point out the irony of the comment to the person who said it but I would guess that he felt that since someone made the comment about the New York incident they should remember what they said before saying anything about their own terrorist incident?
I don’t have the answers, just the original article quoted, to show that the tweet was not some crappy random comment from a Trump relative.
In wake of the London attack today, with people dying and still fighting for their lives in hospital, Donald Trump Jr didn’t send condolences - instead he dragged up an old article to attack London’s Mayor - and even fucked that up by taking The Mayor’s words out of context, or just not understanding them.
Yet you think that tweet from him was not some crappy random comment from a Trump relative?
Really?
In America, we have freedom of speech. None of us have to like what he said and I never claimed to agree with what he said on any level. I am sad to hear about what happened and the U.K. and I am personally glad the sob was shot and killed.
Freedom of speech is in a lot of places, and has nothing to do with what I said.
You said ‘…to show that the tweet was not some crappy random comment from a Trump relative.’
I said 'In wake of the London attack today, with people dying and still fighting for their lives in hospital, Donald Trump Jr didn’t send condolences - instead he dragged up an old article to attack London’s Mayor - and even fucked that up by taking The Mayor’s words out of context, or just not understanding them.
Yet you think that tweet from him was not some crappy random comment from a Trump relative?
Really?’
Would you like to answer the question about whether you think that tweet from him was not some crappy random comment from a Trump relative?
Jason, you and I get along well, and I’m not going to argue platitudes with you. I don’t support what he said, I don’t like what he said, but he has the right to say it. I read the U.K. article and the article does indeed start out the way I posted it. I took nothing out of context but it is obvious that a lot of people feel that Donald Jr. did. Cool, I’m not arguing their right to do so, nor am I arguing about people feeling that way.
Now, if that U.K. article is wrong, they should be printing a retraction, and apologize to London’s Mayor for it. I don’t know either the London Mayor or Donald Jr. so I cannot and will not speak for them. It would have been appropriate for him to offer condolences but I cannot answer why he didn’t nor can I make him do it. As you said, he is responsible for his own words and actions, not me not you nor his Father. I am more concerned about my fellow human beings overseas than I am about what he said.
That’s all very well - but the only question was, and is, a simple one:-
Do you think that tweet from him (Trump Jnr) was not some crappy random comment from a Trump relative?
No, I do not think it was some random crappy comment from a Trump relative, he made a statement.
Now, would you mind stepping off my hands about it? Thank you.
Well, you could have just answered that simple question in the first instance instead of what you wrote in between, no?
He did answer it. His answer implied it rather obviously in the context of his statement.
You don’t get to feel superior for badgering someone until they answer exactly how you would have them answer. If his answer is to respond about why Jr said that, rather than just “no”, then you should read into that. This is a conversation, not a congressional hearing.
Who is feeling superior? Not many people. Not me for sure. Why would anyone want to?
To be answered with ‘In America, we have freedom of speech here…’, which if anything could be interpreted as evading the question - or maybe come across as superior, no?
No. He said Jr. had the freedom to say it, which in context means he thinks Jr. said it, suggesting that the only plausible motivation for someone else saying it in Jr.'s stead would be if Jr. couldn’t have said it himself. But, following that logic, because he can, he did.
A simple question can have a simple answer.
But again, this is a conversation. If he wants to elaborate or meander or what have you, he can. That’s how conversations work. Again, this is not a deposition. Even if a simple question can have a simple answer, a simple answer is not required. The fact that you could not infer a “no” from his answer is on you, not him.
Don’t badger people for direct answers like that. It’s rude.
Stay classy, Trump Jr!
Someone needs to tell him that when he says dumb things, it reflects badly on dear ol’ dad.
I read the article Donald Trump Jr. was referencing and London’s Mayor did indeed say … Sadiq Khan has said he believes the threat of terror attacks are “part and parcel of living in a big city” and encouraged Londoners to be vigilant to combat dangers.
The comment starts off the article.
So it’s kinda weird that the New York Times would twist the narrative against a Trump and it would get quoted here as factual? Now, I cannot say why Donald Trump Jr. decided to point out the irony of the comment to the person who said it but I would guess that he felt that since someone made the comment about the New York incident they should remember what they said before saying anything about their own terrorist incident?
I don’t have the answers, just the original article quoted, to show that the tweet was not some crappy random comment from a Trump relative.
In wake of the London attack today, with people dying and still fighting for their lives in hospital, Donald Trump Jr didn’t send condolences - instead he dragged up an old article to attack London’s Mayor - and even fucked that up by taking The Mayor’s words out of context, or just not understanding them.
Yet you think that tweet from him was not some crappy random comment from a Trump relative?
Really?
In America, we have freedom of speech. None of us have to like what he said and I never claimed to agree with what he said on any level. I am sad to hear about what happened and the U.K. and I am personally glad the sob was shot and killed.
Freedom of speech is in a lot of places, and has nothing to do with what I said.
You said ‘…to show that the tweet was not some crappy random comment from a Trump relative.’
I said 'In wake of the London attack today, with people dying and still fighting for their lives in hospital, Donald Trump Jr didn’t send condolences - instead he dragged up an old article to attack London’s Mayor - and even fucked that up by taking The Mayor’s words out of context, or just not understanding them.
Yet you think that tweet from him was not some crappy random comment from a Trump relative?
Really?’
Would you like to answer the question about whether you think that tweet from him was not some crappy random comment from a Trump relative?
Jason, you and I get along well, and I’m not going to argue platitudes with you. I don’t support what he said, I don’t like what he said, but he has the right to say it. I read the U.K. article and the article does indeed start out the way I posted it. I took nothing out of context but it is obvious that a lot of people feel that Donald Jr. did. Cool, I’m not arguing their right to do so, nor am I arguing about people feeling that way.
Now, if that U.K. article is wrong, they should be printing a retraction, and apologize to London’s Mayor for it. I don’t know either the London Mayor or Donald Jr. so I cannot and will not speak for them. It would have been appropriate for him to offer condolences but I cannot answer why he didn’t nor can I make him do it. As you said, he is responsible for his own words and actions, not me not you nor his Father. I am more concerned about my fellow human beings overseas than I am about what he said.
That’s all very well - but the only question was, and is, a simple one:-
Do you think that tweet from him (Trump Jnr) was not some crappy random comment from a Trump relative?
No, I do not think it was some random crappy comment from a Trump relative, he made a statement.
Now, would you mind stepping off my hands about it? Thank you.
Well, you could have just answered that simple question in the first instance instead of what you wrote in between, no?
He did answer it. His answer implied it rather obviously in the context of his statement.
You don’t get to feel superior for badgering someone until they answer exactly how you would have them answer. If his answer is to respond about why Jr said that, rather than just “no”, then you should read into that. This is a conversation, not a congressional hearing.
I would prefer Sanders because if Pence moves forward you and other Clinton supporters are going to turn this thread in to a smoldering pile of guano, guaranteed, LOL.
I’m an Oklahoma Democrat. I liked Bernie, but I thought his ideas were too “pie-in-the-sky” to actually work. I felt, while Hillary is flawed to some degree, her ideas of what and how to get things done were more realistic.
That being said, I think I’d prefer Pence over Trump any day of the week and twice on Sundays, because at least the man is cool headed and respectable even if I disagree with him.
Of the Shatner movies, I only have 2, 3 and 4 on DVD. I bought them in a set called “Star Trek: The Motion Picture Trilogy”.
https://www.amazon.com/Star-Trek-Picture-Trilogy-Domestic/dp/B001TH16CY
I don’t know anything about where they were sourced.