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SilverWook said:

ZkinandBonez said:

Interesting that George is wearing an ESB crew jacket considering the efforts they took to hide the ROTJ location shoot under the Blue Harvest name.
And I wish they made those jackets now.

You’re 2 years too late! Columbia did make a limited edition reproduction of that jacket in 2018!

https://www.starwars.com/news/columbia-star-wars-empire-crew-parka

You can find them for sale on eBay still. At a markup, of course.

I haven’t watched his rebels episodes yet, but shouldn’t Rex be like super old and dead by the time of the Mandalorian? I mean, he was a clone who ages faster, right? And his timeline of clone wars-rebels-post ROTJ would span, according to official cannon… …wait. Less than 40 years?! What the crap? The events of TPM, the clone wars, the fall of the republic, the empire, the rebellion and all happened in a span of just 36 years?! That’s ridiculous!

Well, I guess if you compare it to the historical timeline and of the lead up to WW1 on through to WW2 and the aftermath, it’s not that preposterous, but it still seems a bit far fetched. Whatever, its all pretend anyway.

Broom Kid said:

I understand being upset about the revisionism, and worse, the concerted effort for the revisionist version of things to take precedent over the original versions. I get all that, and I agree…

…but I definitely wouldn’t refer to Jeremy Bulloch as looking “Clint Eastwood-ish” there. I mean, if you maybe want to stretch it, sort of Chuck Norris-ish. And either way, he definitely doesn’t look like more of a badass, stoic, tough sonofabitch than Temuera Morrison does.

I didn’t know Treat Williams was an extra on this movie until today, though. That’s pretty cool.

Ah, come on…

I just finished the first season of Rebels myself and it was pretty great. Honestly, I prefer it to Clone Wars, even if the best Clone Wars has to offer is better from a critical standpoint than anything rebels has to offer (so far). It’s just Rebels NAILS what I would want from an OT Star Wars cartoon. Like, (most of) this show could’ve been made in the 80’s just as easily as when it actually was.

I will say I’m really glad I finished season 7 of Clone Wars on D+ before getting too far into Rebels. I won’t spoil anything but those of you who’ve seen both can guess what confrontation I’m anticipating after the season 1 finale of Rebels, and I feel it will be even more powerful given the (great!) ending of Clone Wars…

SilverWook said:

The Boba Fett figure was out way before ESB though, especially if you sent in your Kenner proof of purchase seals. 😃

So was the costume built before the Holiday Special cartoon was made?

Yep! See this article (https://www.starwars.com/news/the-real-first-appearance-of-boba-fett) to learn about Boba Fetts first public appearance in September 1978! Also, the old Kenner figure was based on one of the preproduction suits as seen in the databanks of the boba Fett fan club site above.

Yep! That’s the same site that had the article I posted above. And a slight correction, she wasn’t part of Lucasfilm but worked for a company that was contracted to do the work.

That info isn’t forgotten, it’s just the fandom has become so much larger with so many more niches (and so much more media than just 3 movies and some books and comics!) that you have to dig more. But if you visit places like theRPF or thedentedhelmet, that knowledge is alive and well. And there were MANY prototype Fett helmets and costumes.

Also, that shot of Jeremy Bulloch with the helmet off is always how I want to envision Boba Fett really looks. Very Clint Eastwood. Forget Temuera Morrison and official cannon!

JEDIT: There was a really cool article I ran across a few months ago about a lady in the lucasfilm art department who painted a number of the pre-production Fett armors that had some awesome pictures in it. Unfortunately I can’t seem to find it again right now. I’ll keep searching…

Revenge of the Jedit:
Found it! Really cool article with some great personal photos.

https://www.bobafettfanclub.com/news/fettpedia/exclusive-interview-with-sandy-dhuyvetter-aka-momma-fett/

Yeah, I built the 6 inch Stormtrooper a while back and really enjoyed it. I got the 1/72 Y-wing, TIE Fighter, and TIE Striker, plus another 1/12 Stormtrooper. Can’t wait to built them. But I need to get an airbrush first. I painted the first stormtrooper completely by hand. I’m happy with how it turned out now, but brush-painting all that gloss white by hand was a real bear!

I bet that’s the model used for the shots of Lando coming out the top hatch. Weren’t some of those shots miniatures, or at least planned to be at one point?

Well that’s frustrating, especially since I watched it in whatever order Netflix had it over the last few years. I’m slowly finding out that MANY tv shows are or were not originally aired in the correct order and have been transposed to streaming services in the incorrect order too.

Case in point: I started watching the 90’s X-men cartoon on Disney+ and just discovered that it’s WAY out of order. Luckily I caught it in season 1 and have found a proper lost online so I’ll be able to watch the important stuff in proper order. Which is really important for multi-part story arcs.

^cool, thanks.

Also, I dunno about last minute, but a LOT of the Tatooine exterior shots (the establishing shot of mos eisely, all of R2 and the Jawas in the canyons) were filmed in Death Valley. If you use a little google-fu you can find guides that will help you locate exact locations for specific shots. My family and I did a little of that on a trip there several years ago and it was a lot of fun!

Hey, is that the same guy who played the German mechanic in Raiders and the big tough baddie in Temple of Doom?

Before these 4K versions I hadn’t watched any iteration of the SE’s other than ‘97, so perhaps this was a change made in a previous iteration. But I swear there’s a bunch of new sound effects in the millennium falcon cockpit in the few shots as it backs out of the Death Star hangar and flies away just after Obi-wan bites it.

Those look great! I’m not a table top gamer, but I love miniature things and model building. I bought a pile of Bandai Star Wars models recently when BigBadToyStore had a really good sale on them.

Right before the pandemic took hold in my part of the world we sold our house to move over 1500 miles for my job. The plan was to stay with some family (about 1/3 of the journey to the new place) for a few weeks while my wife and I took house hunting trips. Unfortunately that has become well over two months and counting. And with no school, all our belongings packed in storage, and stay-at-home orders we are constantly looking for ways to keep the kids occupied.

My father passed away unexpectedly in the first week of May one year ago. He was not a Star Wars fan himself, but the last thing he ever said to me (via text message) was “May the Fourth be with you.” I thought it would be nice to give my kids an awesome “Star Wars day” in his memory.

So on May 4th we spent all day doing Star Wars themed things. For breakfast we cooked “Princess Leia cinnamon hair buns”. Then we did Star Wars themed activity and sticker books followed by building a new Star Wars LEGO set. Afterwards we went outside and had an epic (but short-lived) battle in the “Endor” woods with some crummy* Rubies lightsabers that I got at the local party store. For lunch we cooked a “Jabba the Pizza the Hutt” and had “Yoda soda” to drink. Then we made and decorated “Wookiee cookies”. We spent the afternoon snuggled up on the kids’ bed watching 4K77 on my laptop and consuming WAY too much movie candy. My dad wasn’t a Star Wars fan, but he was a great dad and an amazing grandfather who loved going out of his way to do silly, fun stuff with his grandkids. It felt like a very appropriate way to remember him one year since his passing.

*seriously, these things shattered like glass after one or two whacks from a 4 year old…

Wait, is that a shot of the Death Star traveling through hyperspace?! Amazing!

I’m a few days late, but this Star Wars day rap from the tonight show is amazing. Even got a Han Shot First jab in!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYg_eFawxqs

Also (another EU explanation) the quad cannons can be locked in the forward firing position and fired from the cockpit in similar fashion to the fixed guns of an x-Wing or TIE fighter.

Finally watched this a second time tonight and was able to form a more thorough opinion. Overall I like it well enough. It’s got some major flaws but I found more of its runtime enjoyable than not.

I do have a few issues though. The worst is that Finn’s “I need to tell you something, Rey” bit never pays off. I don’t care that he never actually gets to tell Rey. I care that they intentionally build this up over the course of the film and then never lead to ANY kind of payoff.

The other thing that bothered me, of all things, was that Kylo took a standard imperial TIE fighter, the kind they explicitly point out that has no hyperdrive in ANH, across the whole galaxy to Exogol. It’s particularly irksome because there are many other tiny details in the movie that show the filmmakers were really paying attention to little details (such as the way Kylo points just like Han). It’s a small detail but feels like a blatantly obvious oversight.

Everything else works well enough and several of the things I questioned on the first viewing actually have enough detail/thought put in that they worked for me this time (the storming the star destroyer on horse back, lando’s call for help to the galaxy, ben’s redemption). It’s definitely not the story I would have come up with and I think there are other possible stories that could have been much better. But for what it is, I’m able to accept it and enjoy it.

Jedit:
I caught one detail I liked that I missed in the theater. When threepio is saying how he can’t translate the Sith language he’s cut off as he’s mentioning something about it being an old (or new?) republic law that droids programming restrict them from translating Sith language. It’s a little detail that makes that whole subplot work better IMO and I kinda wish they made that line a little more obvious.

Couldn’t have said it better Ray and Starkiller. The movie is about redemption and not stooping to the level of your enemies. And it delivers an elegant illustration of the Jedi ideology in the way Luke defeats the emperor. Just because the movie doesn’t hold our hand and spell out things doesn’t mean that all the pieces aren’t there for my interpretation to clearly be the intent. Luke was clearly intent to turn Vader in order to defeat the emperor. That was his plan, he stuck to it and used the nonviolent Jedi ideology to bring his father back and win the day. The movie may be uneven and weaker than its two predecessors, but I’ve always thought it completely stuck the landing in the most satisfying way.

SilverWook said:

canofhumdingers said:

StarkillerAG said:

Shopping Maul said:

BedeHistory731 said:

Shopping Maul said:

imperialscum said:

Shopping Maul said:

I’ve said this before but a simple dialogue tweak would fix this. If Luke had said to Leia “I have to turn myself in, I’m endangering the mission. The Sith can feel my presence and know that we’re here. I’ll allow myself to be captured - Vader will take me to the Emperor himself and I will make sure he’s on the Death Star when the attack is launched”.

That would just make Luke a “captain obvious” to those in the audience who cannot make 1+1=2 on their own. On the other hand, it would ruin things in-universe. Luke probably knew and accepted that it was a suicide mission and that he would most likely die if the Death Star was blown off (whether or not Vader was redeemed). Why the hell would he tell such a thing to Leia and make her upset before such a crucial mission she was about to undertake? The way he handled it was very wise; he did not lie but he did not tell her that he is going off on a suicide mission either.

I’m not sure telling her that the guy who tortured her and stood by while her homeworld was obliterated was a) her father and b) strangely worthy of a crack at ‘the good side’, was much better than Luke taking on a heavy mission.

I must be the audience who can’t add 1+1. Luke’s only stated mission is the redemption of Vader. While insane violence is occurring outside, Luke’s primary focus is not losing his cool and avoiding a confrontation with Vader. When he finally kicks Vader’s butt - rather than follow through by doing anything proactive in terms of the war - Luke throws his weapon aside and declares himself a Jedi. People are being incinerated by a super-laser by order of the man standing before him and Luke chooses to disarm himself and declare his own enlightenment. How is any of this remotely helpful to the thousands of sentient beings suffering at the hands of the Imperial juggernaut? What in all this makes anyone think that Jedi Knights are a good idea, especially in a war situation?

Indeed you are the audience member that can’t add 1+1. I’m pretty sure Leia knew that Tarkin and The Emperor had more to do with what happened to her and her homeworld than Vader did (acting within their orders, not questioning them due to extensive brainwashing/basically being their slave). Remember how Vader criticized the Death Star at the meeting? If he was calling the shots, Tarkin and The Emperor wouldn’t have their plaything.

Also, for the “Luke could save so many lives thing,” what’s to say that killing The Emperor will stop the battle? The Star Destroyers, Death Star personnel, and Endor ground troops will still act under their initial orders to fight. Whatever Luke does, many will die in the fight. What he will do really doesn’t impact the battle outside and that’s fine.

Again, I maintain that you’re engaging in bad-faith criticism that really misses the point of the movie and the series, so I respectfully disagree with you.

You seem to be forgetting - as does this movie - who Darth Vader is. This is a guy whose first act in ANH was to lift a man up by his neck and crush his larynx. Vader wasn’t some misunderstood kindly old man. He was a brute and a killer. Sure, he may have questioned the value of the Death Star, but he was by means just an unwilling spectator. Look at the way he murdered everyone who disagreed with him in TESB, or had Han screaming in genuine agony on a torture rack purely to get Luke’s attention.

I know, that’s the entire point. The message of the movie is that anyone can change, even the most feared person in the galaxy. His previous atrocities only reinforce how shocking it is that he was able to return from darkness. It’s very much a hopeful conclusion, not the messed up thing you’re painting it as.

So if you were in Luke’s situation you wouldn’t try to get the Emperor in a headlock and order him to call off the battle? I know I would. So would Han or Chewie or Wedge or Leia or just about anyone who isn’t hung up on space-Buddhism.

Once again, that’s the whole point. The Jedi aren’t like other people in the galaxy, they’re more selfless and nonviolent. Any normal person would just kill Palpatine, but Luke held out hope in Vader until the end, and it paid off. This reinforces Yoda’s teachings in ESB: “A Jedi uses the Force for knowledge and defense, never for attack.” It would be against the spirit of the OT for Luke to just kill Palpatine.

It’s not about what Luke could have done so much as what he should have intended. Again I return to my Ewok party scenario. Let’s say Wedge asks “hey Luke, what happened up there man?”. Luke says “well, I was in the throne room with Vader and the Emperor when Palpatine started blowing our ships up”. Wedge would be like “damn, so you kicked his ass right? 'cos I would’ve kicked his ass man!”. Luke would have to admit “uh, well no, 'cos as a Jedi I’m not really allowed to get angry. I mean I did lose my temper and bring Vader to his knees at one point…”. So Wedge would be like “oh cool, so then you stopped the bad guys right?”. Luke - “uh, not exactly 'cos Vader’s my dad and again, violence is just not in keeping with where I need to be spiritually, so I threw my lightsaber away.” Wedge looks dumbfounded. “But” Luke says “on the plus side this does make me a Jedi so…every cloud…”

Yeah, Luke having to explain all this to his friends would be awkward. But I think they would understand that Luke’s philosophy requires him to be nonviolent whenever possible, and they would take comfort in the fact that Vader and Palpatine are dead, no matter how they died. I certainly don’t think he would be branded a war criminal for it.

Yes, all of this (except like having to explain to his friends being awkward, as I explained in my post earlier).

I also forgot another point I meant to make regarding Luke throwing his lightsaber away. As I mentioned, it’s a way of him checking himself for being tempted to go down the dark path as well as an emotional Hail Mary to appeal to Vader. And it’s an extreme chance to take in his situation, but taking extreme chances is a major trait of the Jedi, OT, PT, and on. Just a few examples: Luke turning off his targeting computer, obi-wan and Yoda trusting Luke to defeat the empire, Luke’s force projection on Crait, Ohio-wan agreeing to train Anakin, etc etc. The Jedi take chances a LOT.

Ohio-Wan??

Autocorrect. darn iphone

StarkillerAG said:

Shopping Maul said:

BedeHistory731 said:

Shopping Maul said:

imperialscum said:

Shopping Maul said:

I’ve said this before but a simple dialogue tweak would fix this. If Luke had said to Leia “I have to turn myself in, I’m endangering the mission. The Sith can feel my presence and know that we’re here. I’ll allow myself to be captured - Vader will take me to the Emperor himself and I will make sure he’s on the Death Star when the attack is launched”.

That would just make Luke a “captain obvious” to those in the audience who cannot make 1+1=2 on their own. On the other hand, it would ruin things in-universe. Luke probably knew and accepted that it was a suicide mission and that he would most likely die if the Death Star was blown off (whether or not Vader was redeemed). Why the hell would he tell such a thing to Leia and make her upset before such a crucial mission she was about to undertake? The way he handled it was very wise; he did not lie but he did not tell her that he is going off on a suicide mission either.

I’m not sure telling her that the guy who tortured her and stood by while her homeworld was obliterated was a) her father and b) strangely worthy of a crack at ‘the good side’, was much better than Luke taking on a heavy mission.

I must be the audience who can’t add 1+1. Luke’s only stated mission is the redemption of Vader. While insane violence is occurring outside, Luke’s primary focus is not losing his cool and avoiding a confrontation with Vader. When he finally kicks Vader’s butt - rather than follow through by doing anything proactive in terms of the war - Luke throws his weapon aside and declares himself a Jedi. People are being incinerated by a super-laser by order of the man standing before him and Luke chooses to disarm himself and declare his own enlightenment. How is any of this remotely helpful to the thousands of sentient beings suffering at the hands of the Imperial juggernaut? What in all this makes anyone think that Jedi Knights are a good idea, especially in a war situation?

Indeed you are the audience member that can’t add 1+1. I’m pretty sure Leia knew that Tarkin and The Emperor had more to do with what happened to her and her homeworld than Vader did (acting within their orders, not questioning them due to extensive brainwashing/basically being their slave). Remember how Vader criticized the Death Star at the meeting? If he was calling the shots, Tarkin and The Emperor wouldn’t have their plaything.

Also, for the “Luke could save so many lives thing,” what’s to say that killing The Emperor will stop the battle? The Star Destroyers, Death Star personnel, and Endor ground troops will still act under their initial orders to fight. Whatever Luke does, many will die in the fight. What he will do really doesn’t impact the battle outside and that’s fine.

Again, I maintain that you’re engaging in bad-faith criticism that really misses the point of the movie and the series, so I respectfully disagree with you.

You seem to be forgetting - as does this movie - who Darth Vader is. This is a guy whose first act in ANH was to lift a man up by his neck and crush his larynx. Vader wasn’t some misunderstood kindly old man. He was a brute and a killer. Sure, he may have questioned the value of the Death Star, but he was by means just an unwilling spectator. Look at the way he murdered everyone who disagreed with him in TESB, or had Han screaming in genuine agony on a torture rack purely to get Luke’s attention.

I know, that’s the entire point. The message of the movie is that anyone can change, even the most feared person in the galaxy. His previous atrocities only reinforce how shocking it is that he was able to return from darkness. It’s very much a hopeful conclusion, not the messed up thing you’re painting it as.

So if you were in Luke’s situation you wouldn’t try to get the Emperor in a headlock and order him to call off the battle? I know I would. So would Han or Chewie or Wedge or Leia or just about anyone who isn’t hung up on space-Buddhism.

Once again, that’s the whole point. The Jedi aren’t like other people in the galaxy, they’re more selfless and nonviolent. Any normal person would just kill Palpatine, but Luke held out hope in Vader until the end, and it paid off. This reinforces Yoda’s teachings in ESB: “A Jedi uses the Force for knowledge and defense, never for attack.” It would be against the spirit of the OT for Luke to just kill Palpatine.

It’s not about what Luke could have done so much as what he should have intended. Again I return to my Ewok party scenario. Let’s say Wedge asks “hey Luke, what happened up there man?”. Luke says “well, I was in the throne room with Vader and the Emperor when Palpatine started blowing our ships up”. Wedge would be like “damn, so you kicked his ass right? 'cos I would’ve kicked his ass man!”. Luke would have to admit “uh, well no, 'cos as a Jedi I’m not really allowed to get angry. I mean I did lose my temper and bring Vader to his knees at one point…”. So Wedge would be like “oh cool, so then you stopped the bad guys right?”. Luke - “uh, not exactly 'cos Vader’s my dad and again, violence is just not in keeping with where I need to be spiritually, so I threw my lightsaber away.” Wedge looks dumbfounded. “But” Luke says “on the plus side this does make me a Jedi so…every cloud…”

Yeah, Luke having to explain all this to his friends would be awkward. But I think they would understand that Luke’s philosophy requires him to be nonviolent whenever possible, and they would take comfort in the fact that Vader and Palpatine are dead, no matter how they died. I certainly don’t think he would be branded a war criminal for it.

Yes, all of this (except like having to explain to his friends being awkward, as I explained in my post earlier).

I also forgot another point I meant to make regarding Luke throwing his lightsaber away. As I mentioned, it’s a way of him checking himself for being tempted to go down the dark path as well as an emotional Hail Mary to appeal to Vader. And it’s an extreme chance to take in his situation, but taking extreme chances is a major trait of the Jedi, OT, PT, and on. Just a few examples: Luke turning off his targeting computer, obi-wan and Yoda trusting Luke to defeat the empire, Luke’s force projection on Crait, Ohio-wan agreeing to train Anakin, etc etc. The Jedi take chances a LOT.

ray_afraid said:

Broom Kid said:

Luke is the Jedi that is returning.

From where?

Not “from”, “to”. As in “returning the Jedi to the galaxy.”

I agree that the original intent of the title is about Luke returning the Jedi to the GFFA. However, I still prefer your interpretation of it being about Anakin’s return. The cool thing (and what makes it a great title) is it can be both simultaneously! It has many interpretations that are equally valid.

Chalk me up as another respectful disagree-er, Mr. Maul. I feel like you’re intentionally twisting things to make your interpretation work.

Luke was warned multiple times to be wary of the emperor and his power. I think the movie makes it pretty obvious he goes in there knowing his only chance of beating the emperor is by turning Vader back so they can work together (just as Vader argued in ESB, but with both of them on the light side rather than the dark). His focus is on turning Vader because that’s both important to him personally AND crucial to his plan. And he takes the huge gamble at the end by throwing his weapon away. It’s his Hail Mary pass to get Vader to turn, and it works. Which also serves multiple purposes.

He had just lost his temper and beaten his father in anger, and stepped very close to the edge of turning dark himself. Throwing away his weapon was also him checking himself in that moment and stepping back from the edge.

As for his plan to help the rebellion, I see no major fault. He’s kind of the ace in the hole in a sense. If they blow up the DS2, then he’s made a noble self sacrifice. If they don’t, then he may still be able to cut off the head of the snake, so to speak, which would be a huge blow to the Empire even if it’s not a total defeat.

But as others have pointed out, there’s no way Luke would’ve succeeded or even survived a straight up face-to-face fight with Palps. And as I mentioned, Luke knew that. This was a game of chess, not dodgeball. It was far more a mental fight than physical. And Luke distracting the emperor from the battle outside and successfully appealing to the conflict within Vader was the master play. And he succeeded.

He wouldn’t tell wedge “I hid under the stairs and threw my weapon away”. He’d tell him about the intense cerebral fight he was in to outsmart the emperor and the emotional roller coaster he went thru to get his father (one of the most evil people in the galaxy at that point) to repent from his evil ways, rejoin the light, and defeat the evil before them. If he told wedge anything at all, b/c as others have stated, Luke had no reason to need to justify his actions to anyone by that point.