Yeah, it sure is! Haha
Yeah, it sure is! Haha
So after owning them since each was first released, I’ve finally committed to sitting down and reading the Rinzler “Making of” books for the original trilogy.
I’m only to chapter two of the first book, but already there is some fascinating info I’ve never seen or heard before.
In chapter one I came across this direct quote from Lucas himself that I think perfectly sums up the single greatest flaw that has resulted in his pigheaded determination to keep the original cuts suppressed, made the PT far lesser films than they could’ve been (the PT we got is some really neat ideas but with incredibly poor execution, imo)
And there you have it. To anyone who asks the question “why aren’t the originals available?” or “why did the prequels turn out the way they did?” look no further than those two paragraphs.
I realize the concept is not particularly new, especially to longtime members of this site. But to see it so plainly and succinctly summed up by Lucas himself was kind of a revelation.
It’s truly a double edged sword in a way. Without his stubborn determination we probably wouldn’t even have these films we love so much. But at the same time it is this quality that has caused some tremendous frustration at times. And in the case of the OT it is robbing us of a significant piece of our culture, art, and history.
The circles on the B-wing’s wings is pretty well known. I can’t think of a b-wing model or toy with the standard ROTJ paint scheme that doesn’t have them…
Haha, like some of those ridiculous Saudi princes you see in the news from time to time. That’s actually a hilarious idea and I love it!
Anakin Starkiller said:
Imagine releasing SEs of all the James Bond films where Bond has the same face throughout. Not Sean Connery’s, not Roger Moores’, a specially created one.
Ugh no. Don’t give them ideas like this!
Off the top of my head, I’d guess it was symbolism of the “triune God” represented by three colossal Star Destroyers/one colossal asteroid. Coupled with an allusion to ancient Byzantium, used to symbolize Heaven the way it does in some of WB Yeats’ poetry; since Byzantum’s two major chariot teams bore the colors Green and Blue, with the Emperor usually bestowing favors on the Blues rather than the Greens. And related to other stuff in the Lucasfilm vaults that uses this symbolism, eg, perhaps some WILLOW sequels.
Other than that, I don’t really have any ideas.
What? No. It’s an error in the video transfer. Something wonky happened somewhere in the process of transferring the film to video and then producing the vhs copies. There’s no symbolism implied or intended. You often have very interesting ideas, but you also have a tendency to jump to way too many conclusions. There is absolutely ZERO evidence to support any kind of symbolism. The fact that the blue lasers only exist in a few shots of one particular home video release, where they are green in the vast majority of releases (including the actual theatrical 35mm prints I bet!) points to it being nothing more than an accidental flub.
It is kinda cool to see this brought up though. The pan and scan Faces vhs was my primary way of watching the OT as a kid and the blue lasers in the asteroid chase always bothered me!
Huh. I guess I do vaguely remember Kuiil saying something like that but the term totally escaped me. Thanks!
So what the heck is “strand cast” and why is everyone talking about it like it’s something we should all be familiar with already?
Would it not be possible to take a negative of regular frame rate material and step-print it (as opposed to printing it normally) to create the staccato effect in the positive print? Is that not how “step printing” works? I mean it is called step printing, not step filming or step developing or something…
Despite the TIE Defender being ridiculously over-the-top, I’ve always kinda liked it.
And B-wings? Please and thank you.
I loved this episode! And it had little to nothing to do with seeing cartoon characters brought to live action.
I just thought it was a great story with a super cool new planet to see and really fun action and characters. I loved seeing Din interact and react to meeting new mandalorians who don’t follow the (same) way. It didn’t really matter that I knew who they were.
While I do enjoy the Filoni cartoons (especially Rebels), I am a bit concerned that he’s bringing in so many of his characters all of a sudden. I liked The Mandalorian being it’s own thing. I don’t mind some minor crossovers but I can easily see these things taking over and running away with the show.
Apparently it’s TC-4, Senator Palpatine’s protocol droid who was in a scene cut from TPM.
Looks like a photo of this set:
Read more about him here:
Also, looks like whoever took that photo you posted put palpsy’s hands on the wrong arms…
I tried to put spoiler tags but I don’t know if this site actually has them. Anyway, I couldn’t figure out how to make them work. Spoilers for Mando Episode 9 follow. Consider yourself warned!!
Am I the only one who was a bit annoyed they retconned the Krayt Dragon to just be a Dune sandworm clone rather than the more lizard like creature it has always been in the old EU?
I wasn’t annoyed that they retconned the Krayt dragon design so much as that they went with the sandworm idea that just felt very un-original and “been there, done that”. Would’ve preferred something different. And you could easily accomplish the same story with a different creature design.
Otherwise, yeah, great episode. Mando is just a great character and so much fun to watch. And I enjoyed all the other story elements and Easter eggs.
I’m looking to purchase a Death Trooper kit soon. Could you share what the quality is like for these kits? Did you have to do any glueing to keep pieces together or keep them stable? Great job by the way! If these are decent, I’d like to start my own collection.
Posted more about it in the collectibles sub forum a few weeks ago, but I built a Bandai 1/12 Stormtrooper model recently.
Bandai kits are wonderful. The engineering, detail, quality, everything is top notch. They are made to be snap-fit kits but sometimes you’ll find a piece that would be better off glued. They are molded in generally the correct colors so they advertise as not needing paint. But they are true model kits and, in my opinion, still need to be painted. They also benefit from some minor seam filling and sanding where necessary.
But they are tons of fun. If you have any interest at all I say go for it!
I’ve had an idea for an amazing Vader film for a few years now that I’d love to see happen. I dunno if Nolan would be the right pick for director or not, but here’s what I wrote a while back when I first got the idea (cut and pasted from a few posts made back in 2017)
I know there will be plenty here who disagree, but I totally want to see a movie about Darth Vader hunting down the last few stray Jedi he can find. The more times I watch Rogue One, the more I love how they handled Darth. Despite the internet complaints I think the suit looks great more times than not (there’s maybe two shots where it looks a little off but that’s really it) and they NAILED his character. His snarky lines towards Krennic were totally the kind of thing he said to imperial officers in the OT.
I don’t know exactly what kind of genre you might try to mimic with a film like that, but maybe a vengeful Samurai drama? Something similar in tone to Harakiri, or better yet, Sword of Doom. Something where the protagonist (Vader) has already or is in the process of descending into madness as he seeks his revenge on those who “wronged” him. This would lead to a series of epic duels as the film goes on. The first two or three being one on one and the finale being a gripping battle where Vader is outnumbered maybe three or four to one and he only barely prevails.
It could be set a little before Rogue One and perhaps even reference Jedda and the empire ransacking the temple for Kyber crystals. Hey, maybe one of the duels could be Vader against two or three angry and vengeful Guardians of the Whills monks!
The duels would be very tense and dramatic. Nothing like what you saw in the PT, but great swordsmanship drawing inspiration from the very best cinematic fights but with very creative and thoughtful use of the Force.
Imagine something along the lines this scene (from Harakiri).
I wanted post a subbed trailer for The Sword of Doom b/c I think that film is the best example of the overall tone and mood for the film I’m envisioning, but I wasn’t able to find one. But if you’re interested, google will turn up lots of info… if you catch my drift. Also Criterion has it available on BD and DVD.
Now, as for my film idea, I do think the fear of Vader not being able to carry a film is a valid concern that must be dealt with. But I don’t think it’s an insurmountable problem. We already know all we need to about him; he needs no character development. However he can still be the protagonist in that he is the catalyst and the driving force that propels the film. But even so, the focus of the run time would actually be on his victims. Getting to know who they are, how their covers were blown and the Empire finds them, how they deal with the fear of knowing Vader is coming for them. Again, this is roughly similar to how things are done in The Sword of Doom.
Also, I had an idea for a scene (perhaps the opening of the movie?) where Vader commands the team that ransacks the Kyber temple with the monks who would later seek him out watching in horror/terror. Perhaps they vow to avenge the desecration and go hunting for Vader, tracking him each time he hunts down another Jedi until they are able to confront him. Maybe this would be the big finale. Vader against a team of force sensitive (but NOT Jedi!) Guardians of the Whills. Or maybe it’s just the opening scene and the monks attack on site and overwhelm the Stormtroopers until Vader steps in.
At any rate, while it would be a “Darth Vader movie”, I actually envision it having Vader onscreen for not much more than he’s featured in ESB. I think it could really work. Man, the more I think about this, the more I REALLY want to see it made! Anybody happen to have an in with John Knoll or Kathleen Kennedy…?
My brother gave this to me for my birthday. I just played my first little bit tonight. Played the intro mission(s) and then a single round of online dogfighting. My team lost but I got first place on my team. And there was one super player on the other team who pretty much won the round for them single handedly. I killed him at least twice… this is going to be so much fun! evil laughter
I’m so happy to have a valid successor to the X-wing series! I’ve been dying for a new, honest to God Star Wars flight simulator for YEARS! This game looks to be everything I wanted! Now I’ve just gotta learn more about the upgrades and various weapons and features of the ships…
I didn’t have a major issue with it when it was for brief cameos or minor roles such as Rogue One (though I’d have been perfectly happy with them using actual actors to portray those roles instead of CGI recreations).
But when it comes to doing it for the main character of an entire film, no thanks. I’d rather have a new actor who looks enough like the established character and does a great job playing that character than have some Orwellian digital facsimile anachronistically inserting a younger (or dead) actor into a modern film. And with Solo, that’s what we got so I guess I win!* 😛
*that last part about me winning was tongue in cheek if it wasn’t obvious
I’ve had this book for years but reading it to my kids tonight it occurred to me; is this the first instance of Chewie getting a medal?
Star Wars The Mystery of the Rebellious Robot published in 1979.
While less extreme in execution, Count Dooku’s curved hilt is based on the same principle:
Sorry but that’s just dumb. Why not give the actors who actually portrayed the character for the film a chance? The new casting of Han, Lando, and Chewie (ok so he’d played chewie already in a few films but it’s not Mayhew) is one of the highlights of Solo imo. The new actors really do a phenomenal job nailing the old familiar characters without being just impersonations of previous actors.
Did I buy them as Harrison Ford or Billy Dee Williams? Of course not. But did I buy them as authentic Han Solo and Lando Calrissian? Absolutely 1000%!
The “backwards” grip of Zatoichi and Ahsoka is purely movie magic. It’s completely impractical and nigh useless in real combat. There might be a few random techniques that briefly use a similar grip for very specific movements before switching back to a more normal grip, but I’m not aware of ANY martial art that uses that as a standard grip for the basis of the fighting style.
And for what it’s worth, it absolutely doesn’t improve your grip strength. One of the first things you learn in Kendo is how to grip the sword. The strength is in your thumb, pinky, and ring finger. It’s hard to explain without demonstrating it in person, but it’s absolutely true. And it’s true with all hand held weapons from katana to spears to knives to rapiers to fencing foils.
Heck, it’s the reason modern fencing grips look like this:
Instead of this:
^I’ve seen the interview where Mark Hamill talks about that (heavy, two-handed swords). But the minute you watch the duel in ESB that arguement kinda goes out the window. Both Vader and Luke use the sabers single handed at various points in the fight.
But yes, Chinese martial arts (specifically thru Ray Park and his king fu training but also more broadly) definitely had a big influence on the PT choreography whereas the OT is much more classic European and Japanese in look and feel.
Though it’s worth mentioning that accurate broadsword and medieval European fighting looks very little like typical “European” fencing that we see in film (which is largely influenced by Olympic fencing) which is more based on renaissance and later sword styles than earlier medieval “Knights in armor” type fighting which had already largely been lost by then. Historically accurate medieval broadsword fighting is actually pretty wild and brutal if you’ve never seen it.
If I had to pin the OT fights to one style or influence, it would actually be Japanese sword fighting. That’s what it really looks the most like (which makes sense given the heavy influence of jidaigeki films on Lucas and his ideas for the Galaxy Far Far Away).
But, again, these are INFLUENCES. Nothing seen on screen really “accurately” portrays any sword fighting style or technique.
Well, I don’t know much about the ANH choreography but for ESB (and subsequently ROTJ) Mark Hamill studied Kendo (Japanese fencing) and Bob Anderson coordinated the fights in addition to donning the Vader suit for much of the lightsaber fight sequences. Anderson was an Olympic fencer before becoming a Hollywood sword and fight choreographer.
For the prequels Ray Park (Darth Maul) is trained in Northern Shaolin and (primarily) Wushu Kung Fu. He competed at the international level before his film career.
The choreographer for the prequels was Nick Gillard who started as a circus performer before transitioning to a very long and successful film stunt career. A quick and completely UNcomprehensive google search doesn’t reveal any formal martial arts or sword combat training, which when coupled with his circus background might explain some of the common complaints about the prequel choreography (baton twirling…).
I’ve never really looked into who worked on the sequel trilogy fights, although I always really enjoyed the fight between Kylo Ren and Rey in the snow in TFA. The fights in TLJ and TRoS are vastly inferior choreography in comparison.
FWIW I took Olympic style fencing for a few years in college and then spent a decade practicing and competing in Kendo regularly. I also studied a small amount of Iaido and Battojutsu and have a strong general interest in sword combat and general medieval combat (european and Asian). IMO the ANH fight between Vader and Kenobi is the most “realistic” sword fight in the whole franchise, the ESB duel is the best stage combat that’s realistic “enough” and is terribly fun to watch, and the Snow fight between Rey and Kylo really does a great job conveying the sheer intensity of sword fighting to the audience while also being very entertaining. The prequel fights are mostly preposterous and cringe inducing. And finally, NONE of it is even remotely ACTUALLY realistic when compared with actual sword combat. It’s make believe space wizards with laser swords. And that’s ok!
I was doing research around a decade ago for an article on what materials they actually had in their archives w/regard to the OOT back when there was a lot of uncertainty about what they actually had in their possession and what condition it was in. Unfortunately the article ran into some snags behind the scenes and never got published and I don’t think they allow amateur researchers into their film archive anymore.