That’s fine. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Love the scene, hate it, whatever floats your boat. But if you’re going to discuss it, then reasonably discuss your opinion and back it up with evidence or explanation. Don’t resort to just throwing out insults at the people you disagree with.
As others mentioned the scene is important to complete Vader’s arc from the PT, so it should be in if possible.
Thanks for the suggestions and discussion, it’s helpfull.
Except it really isn’t. Like, at all.
On an idealistic level, I hate that scene with a burning passion. It represents all that the meatheads of the fan base want from the movies – two hours of people getting chopped up by lightsabers with no sense of magic or wonder in the fictional world. No proper character conflict or development, just Vader slashing people up for the pure visual spectacle. Heck, Luke’s re-introduction in The Mandalorian commits the same sin and those same people cling to it.
The hallway scene is the worst moment in the saga and deserves to be cut.
Right. That’s all us “meatheads” want. That two hour (really? last I checked it was a few seconds of action) segment of Vader mercilessly murdering innocent civilians, not taking on a whole squad of enemy soldiers single handedly. Heck, why don’t we make the original film finale an hour long aerial battle and trench run. Because its exciting and we love seeing those rebel pilots bite the dust in lavish explosions.
How’s the view from that high horse, anyway?
As many have posted previously, it’s weird that people cheer on Vader slaughtering a bunch of frightened rebels who are clearly no match for him. It’s like people cheering on an authoritarian government enforcer gunning down innocent civilians.
I think you misunderstand people’s reaction to this scene. People like it because it shows a villain being very villainous. He’s intimidating, scary, and brutal. It’s the same kind of gut reaction people have to any “good” villain. People don’t “cheer” for the Joker, but they love it when he’s frightening and a menacing adversary for the hero. It’s fantasy. The worse a villain is the better the heroes get to be. Enjoying a good “bad guy being bad” scene is definitely not the same as cheering on Stalin or Mussolini. I find it difficult to grasp how some Star Wars fans don’t understand the appeal of a really vile villain.
Also, it’s an exciting action scene with lots of cool force powers and stuff. People don’t cheer for Voldemort but they sure like watching him use all his magic. It’s a spectacle.
You could also relate it to watching a slasher film. There’s a LOOOOOOONNNGGGGG history of people enjoying watching/reading terrible things in their entertainment. I’m sure there’s some deep psychological explanations but the bottom line is people have always been entertained by awful things.
So in further discussion, the original storyboard for the sequence was posted. Looks fascinating!
Also it appears the crew used this damaged jet pack for the scene that did make the film where Han accidentally smacks it and sends Fett to his doom. Looks like they packed pyrotechnics in the hole. Also interesting, I never realized the SE used an alternate angle or take of Han hitting the jet pack. But both the original and the SE appear to use this damaged version. (Worth mentioning that this area has a clear patchwork repair in the jet pack’s more recent appearance on Disney+).
And finally, a clean image of the prop without all the captions and screenshots pasted on top of it.
So in a discussion about Mandalorian action figures on Rebelscum, after another user posted a behind the scenes image from AOTC suggesting a possible cut scene where Jango’s helmet takes (and survives) a direct blow from Obi-wan’s lightsaber, user BlasTech posted this neat little tidbit. I’d never heard of this cut scene. Sounds really cool!
It might be the other way around, actually. Mandalorian Iron (later named “beskar” in the Mandalorian language that Karen Traviss created for the Republic Commando game and books) was first mentioned in the Tales of the Jedi comics in 1994, meaning it predates Jango Fett and Attack of the Clones in the SW universe by almost a decade (also, I think Jango and Boba’s armours were identified as being composed of durasteel and duraplast, respectively, in various official guides, with Boba only upgrading to beskar in the Legacy of the Force novels, which were set about 40 years after the events of Star Wars: A New Hope).
Then again, there’s also some indication that Lucas may have intended for Mandalorian armour to be lightsaber-resistant as early as Return of the Jedi, as a deleted sequence from that film had Luke hacking partway through Boba’s rocketpack with his lightsaber, with the blade apparently being stopped by the armoured backing plate that the rocket machinery is mounted against. Though dropped from the final cut of the film, the damaged rocketpack can still be seen onscreen, and the prop built for the sequence is still known to exist (it apparently even appeared in the Special Edition of Return of the Jedi in the scene where Boba is flirting with Rystall and Lyn Me):
The moment Poe cracked a joke at Kylo Ren’s expense in front of the stormtroopers and Kylo not reasserting his authority by gut-punching Poe or something at the very beginning of TFA effectively ruined Kylo Ren as a villain right from the get-go, and Kylo’s lashing out whenever come off like the temper tantrums of a spoilt brat. That’s the biggest problem with Kylo Ren, he doesn’t feel the least bit menacing, and as Snoke says at the start of TLJ, he’s bested by a girl who had never held a lightsaber.
That’s kinda the point, and one of the things that made Kylo Ren such an interesting Star Wars villain. Unlike Darth Vader or the Emperor (or even the prequel villains), Kylo is a total wannabe poser. He projects this fearsome persona that evokes his grandfather while in reality he’s a conflicted coward who lacks any real confidence.
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From what’s actually shown in the movies I always assumed Anakin enjoyed being aggressive to win battles. He would have naturally grown impatient with the Jedi teachers and taken the easier path. It’s a far more human response to their doctrine. Instead of all that “I need the secret to preventing death” nonsense. The only part that makes any real sense is his anger against the Tusken Raiders. But it falls down because we don’t ever see how that anger gives him more strength, and there are no repercussions. Where is the fallout or his anger towards Obi-wan and the council for letting this happen, or letting the slave trade continue? What does he learn from the experience, did he enjoy killing or see how rage is a powerful ally? It’s basically forgotten instead of being a genuine part of his character development.
^ good points ! Letting the slave trade continue on the part of the Jedi and Anakin’s anger over it could have been great character development ,especially if he expressed his feelings to them towards it beforehand and they dismissed him out of hand and he felt gas lighted as result . What happened subsequently with his Mother and the Tuskens would have made his fall to the dark side, the perfect impetuous for it . He would have been more easily taken in by Dooku’s views , more sympathetic to Qui Gon’s defiance of the council , and Palpatine would have had the perfect route to manipulate Anakin’s conflicted emotions for his own gain and cement the process . I think this is the best reply to my post so far and would make for a great prequel re write .
Geez. The ideas in these two posts could’ve possibly saved the prequels for me. There’s a LOT of problems with the prequels, but Anakin’s turn to the dark side (basically the whole point of making the trilogy) was so poorly handled and unconvincing that it really eliminated any chance of me liking the films.
But your guys’ ideas here are just great. All the seeds are already there in the films. They just needed to expand on them and we could’ve had a MUCH more convincing and interesting backstory for the best movie villain ever. Such a shame it didn’t happen that way.
I was coming here to ask the same.
Except I know every film that’s aired has been captured (screenshots are out there). Trouble is the people who’ve captured them have kept them very close to the chest and it’s very hard to find anyone willing to share them. So any sources would be welcome.
Sounds more like lazy writers not wanting to deal with various conflicting fictional physics concepts, contradictory stories, and whatnot more so than an intentional, well thought out mystery to me.
What people don’t understand is that everything is temporary. What people think is that the victory of the OT only matters if it lasts forever.
You need to come to terms with the temporarily of reality. Nothing ever lasts forever and thinking anything will… sets you up for sadness and anger.
Sure, in real life. But Star Wars is a fairy tale. A lot of people greatly appreciate the “happily ever after…” ending of the OT. I know I do (and I like TFA!).
The Bandai kits are generally not hard to find for reasonable prices. Bigbadtoystore (among others) regularly adds new stock every few months. The trouble can be if you’re looking for a specific model and it’s been a while since they’ve done a production run of that particular kit, then the aftermarket prices can be high. But usually if you’re patient you’ll see another production run pop up.
The one kit I keep hoping to see restocked is the 1/12 speeder bike w/scout trooper. That one has been OOP for a few years now I think and is tough to find for a decent price.
The best advice is to find some reliable online retailers and keep an eye on their stock at least weekly. The popular kits can sell out fairly quick when they show up. Also, check hobby lobby (they usually have some Bandai kits, but the selection is very limited). And last, if you have any local hobby shops nearby, go scope them out. I’m lucky to have quite a few mom and pop type hobby shops in driving distance and I often see plenty of Star Wars kits for retail prices on their shelves. Including plenty that have become scarce online and command premiums if you do find them.
Oh, regarding size, check the scale of the model. It’s read as a fraction so the larger the second number is, the smaller the kit will be. (1:32 will be a fairly large model whereas 1:144 will be quite small. Basically 1:144 means it would take 144 copies of the model to add up to the length or width of a full “life sized” ship)
Is there something unique about the generation that grew up with the original trilogy? There are exceptions to everything, but for the most part I don’t see older or younger people devoting as much time and disposable income to a movie, especially in the form of plastic figures, ships, and helmets to display on a shelf.
I don’t think so. Do you follow any other fandoms or film franchises? I’m as much a Godzilla fan as I am Star Wars and there’s a very strong collector base in that group and they spend every bit as much (maybe more) as the typical Star Wars collector. And I know there’s also big collecting fanbases for Doctor Who, Star Trek, James Bond, Harry Potter, comics (marvel and DC) and on and on. And many of those groups span multiple generations going back to at least the baby boomers. And prior to pop culture there were collectors of many other things (art, antiquities, fossils, naturalists, etc.)
If anything, I think what’s unique these days is the large amount as well as the incredibly high quality of the items available. And that’s all driven by the demand, which seems to grow more and more every year.
Some amazing stuff here and some very talented painters. Really wish I could find a good way to learn how to paint models. I’ve built some Bandai anime kits of stuff like Votoms, Gundam and Mazinkaiser but they’ve all been pre-painted. I’d love to be able to find a cheap but cool model kit to practice on that’s not too difficult for beginners. I worry about spending too much money and then screwing it up!
Canofhumdingers: I love your Godzilla collection man, big fan of the big G myself. Got the criterion set of Showa movies for my 40th birthday earlier this year.
Awesome! I can never decide if I’m a bigger fan of Star Wars or Godzilla. Thankfully I don’t actually have to choose!
I wish I could take credit for that Han Solo blaster, but it wasn’t me.
As for painting, YouTube is an absolute treasure trove! I learned basic painting skills in high school and college art classes, but I’ve learned just as much from watching YouTube videos. And the best thing I’d say is to watch as wide a variety as possible. There are so many great tips and techniques out there from so many different disciplines. I personally like to built sci-fi, creature, and airplane models, as well as custom paint action figures. But in addition to videos specifically on those subjects, I’ve also found it useful to watch ANY model building or painting videos (cars, model railroad landscaping, scratch building, etc.) as well as other instructional art videos about painting (especially ones that explain how to use different types of paint like oils, acrylics, and so on), air brushing, sculpting, and on and on. The more skills you can add to your personal “toolbox” the better!
^From Regal Robot, there’s no “probably” about it. They will certainly be expensive (especially the limited to 77 sets signature edition). But if their reputation is anything to go by, they’ll also be very accurate and very high quality.
Thanks guys! The helmets are definitely the highlight of my Star Wars collection!
I know EFX has a deservedly tarnished reputation due to their terrible customer service, but the products that they have managed to put out are really stellar. For the money, there’s nothing else out there that could touch the PCR Vader helmet (the only things better are the far more expensive fiberglass versions from efx or custom fan produced helmets). And it has direct, traceable lineage to THE original screen used Vader helmet from ‘76! It’s as close as I’ll ever get to holding that in person!
And for licensed product, theres nothing even close to the Boba Fett PCR in accuracy. Maybe if efx ever delivers on their promise of making the higher-end fiberglass version…
The stormtrooper is the one helmet where you can find more accurate options pretty easily. It’s cast from the same molds as the previous Master Replicas version which has been heavily sanitized from the original prop (it’s been made symmetrical, when the screen used ones are absolutely NOT) and it has some pretty obvious seam lines when viewed up close. But it still looks GREAT on display. And, despite being symmetrical, it still very much captures the look and presence of an OT stormtrooper. Better than the symmetrical Rogue One stormtrooper helmets (or the awful symmetrical ROTS Vader helmet!).
That’s an awesome idea! I bet with all the 3-D modeling and printing available these days you could probably find someone who makes dejarik monsters. And if they’re 3-D printed, you could have them printed at the appropriate size for your stool…
Thanks! Yeah, the rangefinder flips down and it even has two blinking LEDs that come on when you put it down.
I remember scoping out the lightsabers at Borders too, haha.
I have the original Master Replicas ANH Vader saber from when they first came out.
Then several years later I got the Hasbro Luke ANH saber with removeable blade. The removable blade feature is really nice. Makes it much easier to display as a prop replica while still allowing for the fun of a lit blade. I’ve been tempted by the new Sabers available at the Disney parks (which also have removable blades) but haven’t bought any yet.
I’d love to get an accurate ANH Obi-wan Kenobi saber but to accommodate a working blade they always have to make the “neck” of the hilt way too thick. I’d also be down for an ESB Vader saber. I actually prefer the ESB hilt to the ANH one.
I just received the Efx PCR Boba Fett helmet yesterday. So excited to have this in my collection and it completes my “trinity” of PCR helmets. I’ve also got some force fx lightsabers in storage that I will eventually figure out how to get back out on display.
Anyone else collect props or helmets? I always love seeing “lifesize” Star Wars. It makes it feel even more real.
The main plot from Jedi Knight is still possibly one of my favorite EU stories out there. And of course the game was amazingly cool for its time. Mysteries of the Sith was also lots of fun.
Jedi Outcast completely blew me away with its visuals and the gameplay mechanics of force powers and lightsaber combat. As captainsolo says, it remains the pinnacle of lightsaber and force use in the video game world.
Loved those two games.
Oh man, I remember Star Wars Galaxy magazine! I never had a subscription but I did manage to pick up a couple of issues off magazine racks as a kid. I remember I’d carefully tear open the plastic sleeve across the top so I could store the mag and all the goodies back in the sleeve for safe keeping.
Eh, “difficult” is relative. I’ve been playing through the single player story on Veteran and have progressed just fine. But I grew up playing a lot of flight sims (many that were far more complicated and difficult than this). In the world of flight sims, Squadrons is actually rather simplified and pretty easy.
In any case, as it is an actual flight sim and not an arcade shooter, I cannot stress enough how much I highly recommend playing it with an actual joystick. Playing it with a game pad or (God forbid!) a mouse and keyboard significantly hinders the simulator immersion aspect of the game. It’s supposed to make you feel like you’re in the cockpit. And a cockpit has a stick (or yoke, but I digress…).
Squadrons is great, but be aware. It’s not an arcade action shooter like the Rogue Squadron series. It’s a more complicated space flight simulator like the X-wing and TIE Fighter pc games.
Boba Fett also outsmarts Han Solo.
Yeah, I mentioned he sees through Han’s trick
Boba Fett also hears Luke cock his gun, which is a minor cool moment if you notice it.
It’s R2 Fett hears. But yeah, it’s another subtle, but very awesome moment that sheds light on his character.