Maybe it’s just the limited circles I run in but I haven’t seen many people claiming this is better than the OT. But I have seen plenty of people (myself included) sing its praises for all the strengths you mention. It’s flipping GREAT television and it lives up to the high mark set by the OT that preceded it while also doing something quite fresh and different than said OT. It’s not really “better” but it is really good and it’s also new and those things have people excited.
Episode 10 might be the single best episode of tv I’ve ever watched. I was on the edge of my seat the whole time. My hands were literally shaking during the climax it was so tense and exciting. And it’s not like it was a new idea or story that’s never been done before. But it was done SO SO well, from the build up to the execution. An absolute masterclass in how to execute a classic trope.
And good gravy the dialogue and acting from Mon Mothma and Luthen!! This show has absolutely BLOWN past any expectations I had. Just phenomenal in every respect.
I finally finished Star Wars Rebels last night. Since the show ended over 4 years ago, I’m not going to hide any spoilers.
Overall I enjoyed the show. But it’s not without its faults. My biggest complaint, and one I’ve seen from many others, is the rebels’ victories seem too big in some cases which kinda flies in the face of the original opening crawl “Rebel ships, striking from a hidden base, have won their FIRST victory…”. The finale, freeing an entire planet from imperial rule, particularly feels way out of place to be happening before the events of ANH. Likewise, the final summary of certain characters being in major OT battles felt off and/or shoehorned in.
I also don’t love how “common knowledge” the Jedi are among all the other characters. Not that they know Kanan or Ezra. But that everyone knows what a Jedi is and immediately knows they’re Jedi when they see a lightsaber or force use. And that like all the imperials down to the lowest button masher knows. I’ve always been of the opinion Jedi were very rare even before the empire (10,000? 100,000? In a galaxy of billions upon billions? VERY rare) and that the Empire would do everything in its power to hide, bury, obfuscate, belittle, and destroy any knowledge or belief in the Jedi. To the point that the lowly grunts wouldn’t have even heard of them.
My other gripes are mostly just Filoni-isms. He always has to bring in his favorite characters that he created and then he can’t let them go. I thought Ashoka was actually handled pretty well but the Clones shouldn’t have stuck around after their initial couple episodes. And we get it. You’re obsessed with wolves. Stop forcing that into all the media you work on.
Now, with the negative out of the way, I’ll end with the positive. This show NAILS the adventure and fun of the OT. It looks, sounds, and FEELS like Star Wars. It’s almost everything I would want in a Star Wars cartoon.
The visuals in particular are just spectacular. Going back to the treasure trove of McQuarrie and Johnston concept art was absolute genius and a huge benefit to the show. There are some really breathtaking establishing shots throughout the series.
The characters are all likable and engaging each in their own way. Even “standard Disney male hero” Ezra turns out to be a decent character.
I love the mysticism of the Force in this show. It gets back to that “magical space wizard” feel of the 70’s in all the right ways. Even the loth-wolves. Though Filoni might’ve leaned into them a bit too hard because of his personal opinions, I did like the basic concept of how they were used in connection to the force.
So yeah, perhaps it bends continuity a little too far but overall this is a really great Star Wars cartoon!
Another question for the board, if you would indulge me.
In keeping with the above comments, the response does seem to be overwhelmingly positive. For me, it’s the deeper story & characters, the realism, and most importantly the lack of connection to The Saga. However, I do have a close friend who isn’t all-in and in fact has some criticisms. We have a weekly evening nerd call where we discuss all things film & TV pop culture. We tend to stay primarily on Marvel, Star Wars, and DC.
His criticism of Andor is that it’s so grounded in an Earth-like reality that doesn’t offer a real escape from a long work week or our real world stresses and problems. The very thing I like most about it is the part that has disappointed him. His biggest criticism was from an episode or two back where we see Syril at home with his mom. He gets up, goes too he kitchen, eats a bowl of cereal, and then gets ready to go to work - where he sits in a cubicle wearing a suit & tie.
As he says, the world and our culture are a mess and life can be very stressful, is it too much to ask for just one hour a week where he isn’t reminded of it. I absolutely get that and I agree. It’s nice to step away even for an hour or so.
He says for him it was just too much like Earth to offer any escapism. I found the Earthiness to be a bit interesting (the cubicle part, going on a job interview, etc), because a great many of us may exist in that very world. I’m very happy with the show, where he wants more droids and aliens. Note: he was very happy that the vacation planet offered up what he’d been missing.
What say the board: Too Earth-like or no?
Sounds like your need a new friend. Lol.
Nah, I guess I can see that criticism even if I completely disagree with it. I’m fortunate in that I don’t work a cubicle job and my work life is pretty low stress and enjoyable. So escapism isn’t a needed aspect for me to enjoy something.
And I agree with you. Seeing the “slice of life” aspect of Star Wars and the mundane bureaucracy of the Empire and all the infighting and ladder climbing inherent within has been really fun and fascinating! Of course, it helps that the writing and acting is just superb to sell the interest in the mundane. With a lesser creative team behind this it could be a total train wreck of boringness. But it’s not! It’s SOOO good!
Yes the ending was definitely supposed to imply Cyril was just as much imprisoned as Cassian.
While I wouldn’t use “Shadows of the Empire” (too much baggage), I agree they could’ve come up with a better title than Andor. But the title is really pretty inconsequential when the show is this good.
Agreed. This show is absolute peak Star Wars. Can’t wait for next Wednesday!!
Yeah, this show has been fantastic so far. Political intrigue. Spy thriller. Seeing the nuts and bolts that make a galactic empire function. And the cast is phenomenal. Mon Mothma in particular really stands out as she navigates the treacherous world of fighting the machine from inside while dealing with her loveless home life. But the acting overall has been top notch.
This show is more BBC high drama and less Saturday matinee action serial. Both are great fun and have their place, but it’s refreshing to get such an intelligent show from the Star Wars universe.
I think what you’re getting at is that Han’s story is more of a classic romantic adventure, whereas Cassian’s story is deliberately less glamorous. Though when he becomes a spy and goes on spy adventures that will change.
It is more classic romanticism. As to all the things you pointed out about Han, none of that happened until Ben and Luke came into the picture. Prior to that, I don’t see anything in 1977 that suggests he lives anywhere near as dangerously as Cassian or with anywhere near the constant fear and desperation.
Our first introduction to Han is he’s negotiating a highly illegal and dangerous smuggling deal to pay off a crime lord who he owes a LOT of money. Then he has a deadly shootout with a bounty hunter in a bar that’s so seedy hardly anyone bats an eye at deadly violence happening in their midst. Han’s life might be more classically “romantic adventure” than Cassian’s but I’d hesitate to call it less dangerous.
Binge watched all three episodes last night. I’m really digging it! Can’t wait to see more.
The private security company reminds me of the Corporate Sector Authority from the Brian Daley Han Solo novels, which is a very good thing. In fact a lot of this show reminds me of those novels. I don’t have a lot to say that hasn’t already been said but this show is doing a really great job making Star Wars feel “real” again.
Darth Malgus said:
I don’t pay attention to the concept of “official Canon”. To me it’s Canon what I decide to be Canon. So, I don’t want anything to still be Canon, simply because for me it’s Canon everything I decide it is, and I don’t give a s**t about what Disney says. In my head, many of the things that are considered as non-Canon are still Canon, and vice versa. So, I don’t need to wish that something is still Canon, simply because for me many things have never stopped being Canon to begin with.
The Clone Wars Multimedia Project = Canon
The Darth Bane Trilogy = Canon
The Old Republic stuff = Canon
The Force Unleashed = Canon
TCW = Non-Canon
Rebels = Non-Canon
The Mandalorian = Non-Canon
The Sequel Trilogy = Non-Canon
I get this and in general agree. However, official cannon does matter in how it affects new projects and media. And that can affect whether a story works for someone or not.
I very much dislike the idea that Anakin built Threepio. But for all official media that is the way it happened and all future stories will be written with that as his origin (should it ever come up again). There’s likely no chance of having a story told in new media that deviates from that history/origin except in a “what if” type scenario.
There were bits of the show I enjoyed. And large swaths that I very much did not. Overall I’d rate this show pretty low.
Star Wars is better when The Force is subtle and mysterious. It becomes lame very quickly when it is just another over-the-top comic book super power.
Thanks! We’ve been doing the final equipment install and calibration over the last two days. In that process we’ve had to put some things up on the screen to verify aspect ratios and things are set correctly. Among other non Star Wars films I’ve viewed a few minutes of 4K77, 4K83, and Rogue One. It’s an 11 foot wide cinemascope screen with a native 4K projector. They all look amazing!
Hoping to watch 4K77 in its entirety really soon. And maybe 4K77 2.0 pretty soon from the sound of things. 4K80 will be a top priority as soon as it’s available and 4K83 will follow that naturally.
In about two more days my home theater will be completed and I’ll be watching Star Wars on an 11 foot wide CinemaScope screen. It’s been a project two years in the making and a lifetime in dreaming. I’m quite floored to be so close!
I don’t know about you guys, but this trailer has already given us the best Star Wars material in years.
Haha. The auralnauts is by far my preferred way to watch the prequels. That was awesome.
I love to occasionally look up old toy aisle photos from back then. I’m just a smidge too young to have seen it first hand (though I do remember toy aisles like this, they were just Transformers and Ninja Turtles).
Man how fun would it be to walk into a store like this today?!
Huh, never noticed that droid before. Very cool. Is that ROTJ? Seems there were a lot of cool and hard to spot imperial droids in the background of that film.
No, that’s ESB isn’t it? Even cooler!
Eyepainter, if you enjoy seeing and learning about prints. You should definitely track down 4K77, 4K83, and (soon) 4K80. You don’t have to have 4K equipment. There are 1080p versions of all of them.
Well, there’s plenty of fans with fancy costumes out there.
And there’s more than a few who’ve done some pretty impressive effects work on fan films.
That said, this looked like a professional stunt with that rig.
I suspect that might be real.
The lights on Vader’s chest box match the colors on the ROTS suit.
Tonight I finally noticed something that answers a question that’s bugged me literally EVERY time I’ve watched ESB until now. After Luke flies out the window I’ve constantly asked myself “how did he get his lightsaber back??” when he confronts Vader again. Well I finally got the answer. The lightsaber landed just a few feet away from where Luke pulls himself onto the platform. Never realized this until now.
Huh. That is a pretty cool spot. Is that an image from the 2019 version?
Even if that image is from a more recent edition, the lightsaber’s been there since opening day in 1980.
Are we taking bets on whether we’ll see that awful helicopter nonsense with the spinning (that’s a good trick!) saber?
Anakin Starkiller said:
Now we’ll never get the canon story of how Luke ended up after ROTJ.
Its like Bond just getting his license to kill and then we never get to see anymore movies.
That’s just patently false. We’ve had two different continuities exploring what happens after, and just because it wasn’t written by the original author doesn’t mean it’s not canon. Besides, Lucas never even wrote TESB or RotJ.
Lucas wrote all six movies he was involved in.
Leigh Brackett, Lawrence Kasdan, and Michael Arndt would probably disagree with you.
Really? Huh. I always thought spinning was a good trick.
I’m no expert on vfx but I have to believe it’s at least in part because ILM already did the lion’s share of the work and you tubers are just touching up what already exists. Plus the YouTube clips are usually just a few seconds or one shot vs doing a whole episode or scene
I loved chapter 5. Chapter 6 was quite uneven but still one of the more enjoyable episodes of this show. Luke looked surprisingly great most of the time. The lip movements were still odd when he talked and the voice was hit or miss to me. And it made no sense for him to adhere to the “no attachments” dogma of the old Jedi (surely they have a plan to explain this? Right?) but overall it was cool to see Luke building his school and training Grogu.
Maybe I’m just too stuck in old pre-Disney lore but wasn’t Han running spice for Jabba? And now all of a sudden spice running is a big no-no on Tatooine? I feel like they haven’t given enough explanation about why this is such a contentious issue. Especially in a lawless, crime-lord controlled place where drug running seems like it’d be par for the course. And what little they have given us seems to indicate it’s more than just a turf war type of problem. Fett and Vanth both clearly don’t want spice anywhere near their territory. But we don’t know why.
I agree with pretty much ALL the complaints about this show. For me the two biggest issues are 1) Fett himself not being decisive or tough enough and 2) the overall disjointed writing and editing of the show.
But I’m starting to accept it for what it is (a subpar, poorly planned/written show with some really cool stuff sprinkled throughout) and just enjoying the good bits. It’s still more fun to watch than the prequels or sequels.