BrotherOfSasquatch

So, with the advancements with AI to generate new dialogue that fits into the films, I wonder if that could be used for this deleted scene seen in the TROS documentary on the Blu-Ray in order to make it workable for fan edits: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpPjvA49ukQ

Obviously, it would have to take some more work seeing that one would have to figure ut what they’re even saying in this scene. Plus, you have the added challenges of green screen replacement in the background. But, this could be a valuable asset if it’s fixed!

Love all those idea, RL! And I might have an idea that could help you with some of the Battle of Exegol stuff. I’ll PM it to you.

DZ-330 said:

Also… off topic, but can we add a new final line of Ben sadly saying “Rey” when she is dead? That is a much better final line for him than it being “Ow”.

+1

Nicely done, RL!

NeverarGreat said:

Apropos of nothing, but:

STAR WARS EPISODE IX

THRONE OF THE SITH

Consider:

Kylo tracks down a Sith Wayfinder on Mustafar, Darth Vader’s lair.

Rey has frightening visions during training, visions of herself on a dark throne.

The second Wayfinder is located in the Emperor’s throne room on the Death Star.

Both Snoke and Palpatine reborn originated on Exegol, brought to life through ‘Secrets only the Sith knew’.

Palpatine performs his most powerful acts in the vicinity of the throne on Exegol, and his most powerful act while sitting upon the throne.

Conclusion: The Throne in Exegol is the Sith’s source of power and the secret to their resurrection. The Wayfarers are a way of extending that power to the lairs of the two Sith that exist in the galaxy at any one time.

Suggested Edits:

• Give more emphasis to Rey’s vision of the Exegol throne.

• When Rey calls upon the Jedi for the final time, after the Jedi give their generic support, Yoda’s voice gives her a specific instruction: “A Jedi uses the Force for knowledge and defense. Knowledge…and defense.”

• When Rey turns over after hearing these voices, her hand strikes the ground as if touching this place for the first time. Just like when she touched Anakin’s lightsaber, she sees visions in her mind. She sees the Exegol throne, the Wayfarers, the Death Star throne, and, from somewhere, the image of Vader’s castle and his throne (perhaps taken from the Kenobi show). The answer comes to her mind: “The Throne.” The voice of Luke responds. “Yes, Rey. You have everything you need.”

• When Rey stands and confronts Palpatine, she is able to use the first saber to block his Force lightning, but when she uses the second saber, it is to direct some of the lightning in another direction. It flies over Palpatine’s head and strikes the throne, impacting it with tremendous force. The stone seat erupts with power and is destroyed, along with Palpatine and the entire fortress around them.

Benefits:

• It gives a reason for the Macguffin-heavy scavenger hunt over the course of the film, setting up these places of power to emphasize that they are important for understanding this revelation.

• It is more reasonable for Rey to use two sabers at the end, to protect herself as well as direct lightning elsewhere.

• It suggests that the Exegol throne is a powerful Sith artifact capable of returning Sith to life, and it also suggests that Snoke was another ancient Sith spirit brought back to life by this artifact.

• It reveals the difference between Jedi and Sith, and shows that Rey is a Jedi by her actions of thinking things through and protecting herself rather than using power to defeat her enemy. Furthermore, it is a symbolic rejection of the power that Palpatine represents.

• Finally, it explains why this defeat of the Sith is more final than any prior defeat, giving this story far more closure.

So what do you think?

I LOVE THIS.

Off topic but, I remember awhile back somebody on here compiled every single piece of deleted/unused material for TROS that was found in TV spots, documentaries, trailers and the like. Would any of you happen to have it still and could link me to it? I’d greatly appreciate it.

Not to derail this thread too much but I just want to say that this new sort of AI voice model work you all have been doing for this is so exciting, not only for this edit but for any future edits of other shows and movies. Within Star Wars alone, I know some people have had problems with how both Vader’s lines in Obi-Wan Kenobi/Rogue One and Luke’s lines in Mando/Boba Fett have sounded and with this new way to use this tech, we could get a more accurate voiceprint of both of these characters from the original movies.

Jar Jar Bricks said:

BrotherOfSasquatch said:

Jar Jar Bricks said:

It’s hard to extract “Rey” from this scene because a lot of music is in the center channel. This is beyond my abilities, unfortunately.

That’s why I think the “Rey” should be cut out, full stop.

What I meant is that by doing that to the center channel, the music quite obviously dips out and then back in. I’m not sure if this is something somebody else has done before on here.

Hmm… Excuse my naivety but I wonder if it would work if you cut out that “Rey”, incorporate the score from the official soundtrack (which I assume would have the cue that would be missing), and edit it in such a way that it matches the music before and after it in the actual film so that it all is seamless?

I also want to excuse myself if I’m being combative/annoying about this and being more of a guy telling others what to do rather than just doing it myself or contributing something feasible.

Jar Jar Bricks said:

It’s hard to extract “Rey” from this scene because a lot of music is in the center channel. This is beyond my abilities, unfortunately.

That’s why I think the “Rey” should be cut out, full stop.

Jar Jar Bricks said:

And here is the final lesson line in practice (it’s in the Drive now):

https://youtu.be/g7OwNYcUGCw?si=IZK7AJG905XTFVC2

I like it! But, I’d suggest cutting out that “Rey” so it just goes like “Final lesson… [rest of dialogue]”. I think it would flow more better.

krlozdac said:

I think it works well enough as is without it. I would think that it’s worth it to revisit the idea of having Luke saying “Lesson three” or “Final lesson” during the Ach-To conversation seeing as it’s more plausable now.

+1 to this

Burbin said:

The one A.I. voice addition I’m not so sure about is Leia. I thought trimming out that whole “it’s what you would do” interaction was a much smarter change, and giving Rey back the lightsaber without a word feels more emotional and personal, Rey understands what she’s saying through her actions alone. It’s odd and unnecessary to have her spell things out from off-screen, and it’s the kind of dialogue we would remove if it was originally in the movie.

I agree with this. But I didn’t want to be the sole dissenting voice since everyone else seemed to be on board with it. Lol.

Pagan Editor said:

Finally, here’s a review for something called Dehancer that makes digital footage look like film. But I didn’t realize at first that it costs $449. You could almost buy your ship for that! 😉
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztmd8vbO1a4

Oh yeah, Dehancer is pretty cool. But it is crazy expensive. I know there’s other software out there that does the same sort of thing with differing prices (FilmConvert for $125, Color.io for $129, etc.) Of course, probably the most cheapest options out there is to just do your own sort of film emulation with cheaper plug-ins/what you already have. However, doing so is obviously more difficult and more time consuming in regards to research and all that plus the results might vary a lot depending on how you do it (which might honestly be kind of a good thing as well since it means it gives you a better senes of control with how you want the final product to look).

krlozdac said:

I’m basically using soundbites from the OT to train the clone so it should theoretically sound the same. I’m trying to get different takes to see if he gets closer. Do you think it is a performance issue? Is it too subdued?

I wonder if it would be better to use JEJ’s many audiobook narrations as a blueprint instead of stuff from the OT and just tweaking it to make it sound more like Vader. I know he’s at least done an audiobook for the Bible.

That guy with no name said:

Hal 9000 said:

Would anyone be up for attempting to use AI to generate better takes of Temeura Morrison’s lines for Boba Fett in ESB?

what would those lines be?

I assume it’s these:

“As you wish.”

“He’s no good to me dead.”

“What if he doesn’t survive? He’s worth a lot to me.”

“Put Captain Solo in the cargo hold.”

TK42-WAN said:

BrotherOfSasquatch said:

This is such a cool and unique idea! I really hope it wasn’t abandoned.

This is on the shelf for the time being. I will return to it; the HD I was using died, so I’ll have to start over. But I have a lot more ideas and will try to post more concepts soon.

Damn… Hate hearing about your HD failing on you. But I look forward to seeing more of what you got whenever you post and I eagerly anticipate the final edit! 😃

This is such a cool and unique idea! I really hope it wasn’t abandoned.

DZ-330 said:
When focusing on Rey during their bond scene where they pass the lightsaber:

• “Rey, I’m here.”

I think just having “Rey…” at this moment would be cleaner but like RL said, I feel like this is a moment that actually kind of benefits from how silent it is.

[krlozdac said:]

Ok that could be interesting. I personally feel it’s unneeded but if people come up with a line I can generate to convey that idea then I will gladly do so.

As someone who’s been championing having a new final line for Ben, I know that in the novelization that Rey and he have a brief interaction as she’s flying away where he says “I will always be with you” and she replies “No one’s ever really gone”, echoing what Luke said to her earlier in the film. I think we could have him say both of these lines or maybe just one or the other to her telepathically (my preference would be the latter line).

Other than that, we could just add a couple of simple sort of lines throughout the last act of the movie after his turn during the fight scenes and stuff. I think a good place to maybe add some of these would be after he crawls out of the pit and right before he resurrects Rey where he’s kind of just looking around and cradling her dead body. I know in MR’s edit, he has him say something like “Dad…” during this moment as he helplessly looks around for guidance. But I think just having him mutter a “No” or “Rey…” during this scene could add wonders into the scene and just make the final moments of arguably one of the best characters in this trilogy be a bit less stoic.

EDIT: Actually, just got another idea as well, echoing the very first words we ever hear Kylo Ren say in this trilogy: “Look how far you’ve come”. It’s just a simple sort of reassurance and while it may be kind of cloying, I feel like it fits with some of the schlocky sort of sincerity and melodrama this series has sometimes. And on another note, it also kind of hearkens back to that moment in TFA when he’s all like “I can teach you the ways of the Force!” in a weird sort of roundabout way.

IDK, I’m just kind of spitballing some stuff here.

At the end of the day, I still think it’s a good asset to have crafted, regardless of whether or not it’ll be used in this particular edit. In the context of the upcoming Rey-centric movie that may or may not have Finn in it, I feel like it could be something that other fan editors could use in their own version of TROS that would maybe make things a bit more cohesive with the canon.

krlozdac said:

Well I couldn’t sleep, so here’s 6 options to play with when you have a chance: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1QHljuzH7CkjR0j89d_ViDSkIdYJUR7d4?usp=sharing

I really LOVE that second one!

Also, it’s funny that we’ve gotten to a point with this edit that we’re adding stuff back in now. lmao

krlozdac said:

This is the best I could come up with:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Va_I_0fvEpPhIPu3ehjSgJ5fjFLpoQQU/view?usp=drive_link
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1sRPdT1vc0IrYRjALOG6t9rc3ULpNyPyR/view?usp=drive_link
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1EaFtDtTousJDfMzYoUKJBOboPGLRX0TR/view?usp=drive_link

For my money, I like the first one a lot!

I love the original Blackened Mantle so much. I’d love to get a copy of this!

Speaking of endings, I always liked the idea of ending the movie on the bonfire shot rather than on the whole Ewok/planets celebration. Especially in light of the story the Sequels entail. I know Spence did this very thing for his ROTJ edit.

BedeHistory731 said:

I’ve had a surprising idea for a radical restructuring of ROTJ - end it with TLJ’s Broom Kid finale. Give it a subtitle like “30 years later” or something like that, and show Luke’s story to be a myth inspiring people around the galaxy to find The Force. It wouldn’t work in a more faithful fan edit, but in something that tries to reinterpret the OT/saga, it could work.

This kinda rips off the idea of Luke Skywalker and the Shadows of Mindor (legends of Luke vs. reality of Luke), but that’s a good legends novel to emulate.

Honestly, I’ve had the same sort of idea as a hypothetical little experiment. Ending ROTJ as is but then pulling a Harry Potter and creating an epilogue scene using footage from TBOBF and The Force Awakens to show a new unnamed Jedi student approaching Luke Skywalker to wordlessly ask him train her in the ways of the Force.