Angel Blue01 said:I remember a reference book saying that Anakin chose to not put skin on his hand for some reason, FWIW.
Maybe Padme was into metal-play......
Angel Blue01 said:We have a shot that shows the tower of course, I noticed that on my first viewing in 1997 as a kid, but it always struck me as a not terribly imposing tower, especially after seeing the cool architecture of Coruscant. But I've always assumed the shaft led to the core, but its open whether the Emperor got there or not. After all, we never see the bottom of any of the many shafts in the other movies.
That's exactly my interpretation. But even if it's not the MAIN reactor (or core), it could still be A reactor.
A reactor shaft can still have a lift shaft within it...that's all I've ever argued...
Agreed. It's not the clinicalness that bothers me about Kamino. It just looks so fake and blurry. Not at all tangible. Much like most of the CG in the prequels.
Darth Venal said:The big central tube running down the middle is the damn lift shaft.
I think this shows why you're just completely missing my point. If the big central tube is the lift shaft, as you say (which I've always agreed with by the way) then what the hell is the shaft surrounding it?
The lift shaft (or central core - whatever you want to call it) is a shaft within a shaft, yet you seem to be calling both the same damn thing!
The lift shaft being there is completely irrelevant to what started this. Palpatine is not thrown down the lift shaft (which is in the centre and, funnily enough, houses lifts) but down the shaft surrounding it.
Fuck it.
vaderios said:Its a damn lift . thats how vader and luke reached the tower.
Not debating that it's a lift that Luke and Vader came up in, but clearly the enormous shaft the emperor falls into isn't just to accomodate a 2 man lift...
The fact that there's a lift is incidental, and doesn't make it exclusively a lift shaft. If it was, it would only need to be wide enough to accomodate the lift itsef. Hence, reactor.
Anyway, in the words of Tarkin, this bickering is pointless.
Darth Venal said:brash_stryker:
You keep saying that he's falling down the lift shaft not the reactor core shaft. Please explain how you know it to be a "lift shaft".
It might be because he's right next to the lift!
And if you look at the scene it's crystal clear that the Emperor is electrifying Luke next to the railings on the lift shaft, and Vader throws him down it.
Watch the scene, it's indisputable.
Let's say that the lift is directly by the shaft. We see Luke and Darth exit said lift, and it's just big enough for 2 people to stand in side by side, so it can be assumed that the shaft of the lift intself wouldn't be much bigger. I don't understand you referring to the shaft the emperor gets thrown down and the shaft of the lift as the same thing. Does one lift need that whole entire shaft to accomodate it? No. So we can safely assume that this shaft is not primarily used for just one lift.
You'll notice there are also walkways going across said shaft near the top. This doesn't call the main purpose of the shaft into question either.
Darth Venal said:No, not in the future. Just more advanced than us.
Was a reference to the Family Guy Star Wars parody.
It starts with "A long time ago, but somehow in the future"
Darth Venal said:Well, you're assuming most people also reckon the blue energy released is also from the reactor core, and I don't think that's the case. I for one take the blue energy to be from Palpatine, an explosion of all his power when he dies. And yes, it looks like he's falling into some kind of reactor core, but logistically that's not possible. First of all, he's falling down the lift shaft, not a reactor core shaft, and second, he only falls for a few seconds, several hours too soon for him to reach the core. If he falls for six seconds before exploding, he would be travelling at 270,000 km per hour.
You keep saying that he's falling down the lift shaft not the reactor core shaft. Please explain how you know it to be a "lift shaft". You also say it would be impossible for him to hit the core that quickly. Who says he did? I never saw it as him reaching the bottom, but coming into contact with, and disrupting, the energy a certain point down. You can't see a bottom to the shaft, nor does it look like the Emperor ever impacts on it.
...but somehow in the future.
And in the future, glare from glass is a thing that's long been rectified :)
ben_danger said:oooh. it could ironically mirror the scene at the end of ANH, which itself was based on that nazi propoganda shot?
maybe the emperor could give vader a medal?
I don't know why, but I just made myself laugh thinking of Vader being given a medal and then turning to the crowd and doing a big Chewie roar.
NGHRHRHRHRHRH!
vaderios said:Holy Potato! You are the man Ady :D
Agreed! :)
Haha! I love it.
True, we didn't have Ric Olie standing there saying "that's the reactor core you're throwing him into."
However that's the best explanation I'd be able to come up with myself for what the shaft was.
Maybe not the MAIN reactor, but some kind of reactor, due to the vast energy contained within.
Darth Venal said:I'm wondering why so many people keep referring to the shaft in Palpatine's throne room as the reactor core. That's not what it is at all, unless you're suggesting we can see 450km down that thing. Let's remember that the throne room is atop a very tall tower, and I reckon that shaft only reaches to the actual surface of the Death Star. At a standard Earth gravity, which is clearly how all the ships in Star Wars seem to work, it would take Palpatine three hours to hit the reactor core.
Pasted from the databank on the official Star Wars website:
"Darth Vader, returned to the light side of the Force, and hurled the Emperor into the Death Star's reactor core, killing him."
So whether it makes sense or not (like hearing explosions in space) it is a part of the Star Wars canon.
Ganamae said:heheh it's gonna be sweet to see what the master has conjured up so far...heheh I am like a wee child at X-mas !
Hehe. I'm excited to hear your reaction. Not that you're going to divulge anything that you shouldn't or post screenies or something. I'm just awaiting you coming on the boards and saying HOLY SHIT, IT'S INCREDIBLE!!!11 :)
Bingowings said:Here was my stab at the lush look sometime back :
Reminds me a bit of the style of architecture of the Sith Empire in the MMORPG, The Old Republic:
So any ideas on how to fix the Anakin/Vader mess?
Regardless of any edits that can be done, or the parallels between Vader and Grevious, we see Anakin turn to the dark side. This can't be changed short of reshooting the film. So this means Obi Wan's description of Vader in ANH "a pupil of mine until he turned to evil" is automatically going to make us think of Anakin.
The only way this can possibly be fixed (I believe I have explored every possible avenue) is to somehow make it so that Obi Wan's description of Luke's father - the great pilot, the cunning warrior, his good friend, could possibly be attributable to someone other than anakin.
Of course, we find out in ESB that Darth Vader and Anakin (Skywalker) are one and the same, but at least it's a surprise if we suspect Luke's father was someone else Obi Wan knew, and not Anakin.
This is the area in which Lucas has completely fucked us over more than any other.
Monroville said:As far as having an open shaft to the reactor below so he can look down and see it... well its not like his tower is a revolving resturant or something. If he wanted to bask in reactor goodness, wouldn't his chair be right above the shaft elevator, so he can drink a smoothie and look down that deep, long shaft all day long? Kinda hard to look down it if your chair is about 40 to 50 feet away.
Even a Sith Lord needs a stroll every once in a while. Deep vein thrombosis is no laughing matter :P
Bingowings said:I still think it would be better to see Padme die on Alderaan many years after the rise of the Empire and if a little girl happens to be there do we have to know she's her biological daughter?
I think this could be done in a montage of the Empire growing in power (featuring your excellent idea of the tie wipe) along with the consequences (people, including Padme, suffering and dying). That way, it can parallel the Empire falling/celebrations montage in ROTJ.
Also, in regard to the Tie wipe. Doesn't a t-16 skyhopper serve as a sort of wipe in the ROTJ montage? If it does, your tie idea is even more perfect than I thought!
Edit: Just checked on the dvd. Unfortunately, the wings of the T-16 don't actually instigate the wipe. It's still a good parellel nevertheless though :)
HOWEVER. A Moisture vaporator/tower type thing in Mos Eisley does.
Yeah. I'm officially sold. Your Tie Wipe is a must :D
Edit AGAIN: Just saw that you mentioned this bookending of montages yourself a couple of pages back when you first mentioned the Star Destroyer transition. Sorry to steal your thunder :P
I guess so, but how can you justify cutting from the scene when she's about to pop another one out? Lol.
I'd say there's a difference between things that most of the characters aren't privvy to (which would be the case if she gave birth after the events of the film) and the director (or in this case, the editor) deliberately keeping the viewer out of the loop, whilst every character involved would allegedly know she gave birth to twins.
Hard to explain...it breaks immersion that way by consciously keeping things from the viewer, rather than the birth of the son being a secret 'in-universe'.
Not sure I've explained myself very well there. *I* understand it anyway :p
Bingowings said:So it's not for gobbing on people heads then or putting the dropping a penny on people.
Maybe that's the kind of thing he does when he's kicking back at his palace in Imperial Center. ;)
Bingowings said:I would like to see Padme die on Alderaan when Leia is about three too.
I think it's far more in preserving the impact of the OT if we never find out that Padme is pregnant (we can deduce that she must have been for ourselves when ESB comes), she never gives birth on screen and that her fate after being force choked by Anakin is a mystery (other than the fact she survives - for how long who knows, but long enough for Leia to remember her)
Granted, a few members here such as Vaderios can offer their expertise on the film visually, but I can't see Ady going back on his word that only one lucky donator gets a copy, and I respect him for that.
I think it's only grudgingly he offered it up in the first place, and it seems it was first and foremost as an incentive for further donations. Not for wanting feedback. If I were Ady, I'd be exactly the same. I wouldn't want to put out more work in progress versions than necessary. I'd want it to be finished before letting people see it.
I don't really see how that in particular is a weakness in the writing. It shows that Luke has become a very perceptive, powerful Jedi. The Emperor is arrogant enough to think his apprentice won't turn against him, which of course turns out to not be true.
I see it as far more silly that there'd be a shaft there which clearly has no purpose (it certainly wouldn't be there for aesthetic reasons if it were covered with floor plates)
Can't see it as being for venting anything either. Why would the emperor choose to have it vent under his own chamber floor?
The only reason I can see for the shaft to be there is for the Emperor's own arrogant observations. Those on the dark side clearly value power above all else. Having a view into the reactor from his own chamber is exactly the kind of thing he'd do in my opinion.
