brash_stryker

Thanks guys!

I really want the Tantive to be on Dagobah when Padme gives birth, but I don't want it to be obvious to first time watchers that that's what she's doing. Maybe I'm asking for a lot, but I'm hoping for a solution where it'll be clear to those who know about Luke and Leia being Vader's kid, but not to first time viewers.

If we can not see the birth but instead hear Padme's screams, and then cobble together a line like "they should be seperated" then I think it could work.

For first time viewers, "they" would mean Anakin and Padme. For those who knew she gave birth, it would be clear what "they" meant.

Edit: Just checked. Yoda says "Split up, they should be". I don't think this is ambiguous enough as it is to make new audiences think it refers to Anakin and Padme, but it's something to work with.

Just a rough idea:

Cut to outside the Tantive on the surface of Dagobah.
Padme screaming.
Padme: Obi Wan, there is still good in him. etc
Yoda: Split up they should be. Hidden. Safe.
Senator Organa: We will take her. (or something similiar)
Wipe to next scene.

With my edit, there's no Dex's diner scene, no library scene and no youngling scene.

Instead, he goes straight with the poison dart to the analysis archives (deleted scene), where a redubbed droid tells him that there are trace amounts of a mineral that's only found in one system...

Then we have the other deleted scene where Mace sees Obi Wan to the landing pad. Hopefully I can find some dialogue to dub over the part where the camera is behind them both, where they discuss the clone army being there.

Obi wan really doesn't need 3 scenes where he still can't figure out where the dart came from or how to find kamino. Not to mention that Kamino and the army being a secret go nowhere.

The problem with the Obi Wan Kenobi: Space Detective storyline is that it goes absolutely nowhere and makes not only him, but the entire Jedi order look like retards because even after unconvering an obvious conspiracy, they do nothing about it, but instead play right into its hands.

New video already posted on the Prequel Radical Redux Thread. Shows Dooku to have some remorse.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onooMQABtcg

Another vid. This time showing Dooku exhibiting a bit of remorse so that he seems more like a Jedi fighting for the greater good.

Gunray and Poggle will need to be either composited into the shot with Dooku, or the shot of them laughing removed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onooMQABtcg

qxx said:

 

Edit: While I'm here, what's the expected release date for ep5? I'm like anxiously awaiting it, as we all are.

To be a smartass, when it's done :p

2010 dude.

I just edited my above post with an idea for showing the birth, but not showing it, if you get me.

Agreed, Bingo. The Skywalker name and Anakin/Vader are the biggest issues.

On an unrelated note, I've just uploaded this video demonstrating how Jango/Boba (whatever he'd be in your own edits) could survive the prequel era.

Personally, I don't think I'm going to have him in the Arena at all, as it makes it obvious to both the viewer and the Jedi that both warring factions are connected. But here's the video anyway:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=var1udq3hi4

Oh yeah, it wasn't designed to be a solution to it in motion. Just that specific still image so people could see what it would look like (both with a red visored fett and a more orange Kamino like in the painting)

Darth Venal said:

Vaderios:

His ghost in ROTS means that it has to be in ROTJ too.

 

Why? Luke didn't know Qui-Gon, so why should he appear to him? There's no reason to think anyone other than Jedi they knew appear to Jedi. And besides, Qui Gon isn't relevant to Luke in any way, so he'd have no reason to appear to him.

Agreed. I have no problem with hearing or seeing Qui Gon's ghost and that doesn't mean he has to appear again. Luke knows Obi Wan, Yoda and his dad. He doesn't know Qui Gon.

Darth Venal said:

Timstuff:

The idea of the twins being born on Dagobah actually makes a lot of sense-- Lucas should feel stupid for not thinking of it, because it offered a perfect explanation for "there's something familiar about this place." If Leia can remember her mom, then Luke can remember Dagobah. ;)

It sure beats the cheese out of being born on some no-name asteroid cluster that just so happens to have medical facilities.

 

There's no reason the twins should be born anywhere special or relevant. The idea was to keep them safe and secret, so "some no-name asteroid cluster" is EXACTLY the sort of place they should be born. And it's called Polis Massa, anyway. And Luke's vague feeling of familiarity with Dagobah is more likely his sensing the concentration of the Force there, both good and dark side. And Leia's feelings about her real mother are very vague and don't really define any memory.

 

That asteroid cluster was probably the most boring as hell setting in the saga. It has to go IMO.

Timstuff is right. Changing it to Dagobah would make sense in explaining why Luke finds the place familiar.

However...I don't think we should ever see the twins born during the movie. Maybe not even know she's pregnant. It can be assumed she gave birth after the events of the film. That way we don't know explicitly who Luke and Leia are already when we get to ANH.

So with this in mind, i don't know what kind of role Dagobah would play other than to show Yoda going into hiding...

If there could be a way of hinting they were born there without making it too obvious to the pre OT audience? But never see them delivered to their respective new homes?

For example, as Padme screams in pain, switching to a view of the outside of the ship.

And then, if such a line can be cobbled together, "seperated, they must be" which you think must refer to Anakin and Padme, but turns out it refers to the twins.

Bah. I don't know. It's been made practically impossible to preserve the impact of the originals.

Just did this rough video. I probably won't have Fett on Geonosis after he gives Obi Wan the slip, but here's a clip anyway of how it could be that he survives the prequel era.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=var1udq3hi4

I never really cared for the Kaiburr crystal explanation myself. I'd much prefer your rogueish one :)

However, not everything needs to be explained.

Also, when Episode 1 first came out, I'd always hoped that Jar Jar would be a scoundrel/rogueish character.

That's one thing the prequels are missing. There's no Han Solo equivalent anywhere to be seen.

Expertly done! I was blown away by not only how infinitely better your voice is than the original, but also how you've chosen dialogue that synced up well with his mouth.

Good job! :)

Bingowings said:

Maybe after a few hours fighting in the rain Obi-Wan and Fett have a man-hug and a beer and Fett just tells him he heard a rumor about some crazy old wizard living on a desert planet, planning to overthrow the government.

Haha I like!

The other alternative is to not have Jango working for the seperatists at all (especially if we're doing an edit where Dooku is the only one who knows the truth and is fighting for the greater good)......we know he tries to assassinate amidala, we know he's the template for the clone army (unfortunately) but he is not seen on Geonosis.

But then how do we explain how Obi Wan gets to Geonosis, if it's not by following Jango?

Christ on a bike, this film is a mess.

Hell hath no fury like a robot scorned.

What was the EU explanation for that? Can't see the Troopers for the trees?

Bingowings said:

brash, have you seen ben_danger's lovely Jengo-Boba transformations?

http://img195.imageshack.us/i/bobajango.jpg/

Yup! It's wonderful :)

Bingowings said:

Jengo is a another thing Lucas screwed up.

Obi-Wan is sent to investigate a clue to the identity of the Bounty Hunter trying to kill Padme (who is trying to stop the creation of a new army). He follows him to a planet where they are making an army using Jengo as the template and then to a planet where Dooku is building a droid army (and Fett acts like his personal bodyguard) they use one army to fight the other and don't twig?

Someone has to seperate those two plotlines somehow.

Couldn't he follow Fett but Fett gives him the slip and he finds the Seperatist fleet massing near Geonosis?

Lucky break yes but at least Fett isn't directly linked to both armies.

If I had my way, he wouldn't be the template for the clones either. There's no purpose in having him be the template other than as a fan service. He should be an assassin working for the Seperatists. Nothing more. The only reason he's even on Kamino is because the stupid plot needs him to be there so that obi wan can accidentally come across a secret clone army that the republic/jedi don't know about, but are apparently happy to use, despite the fact it clearly wasn't commissioned by them).

The clones should not be a secret, because the Jedi then using and continuing to use them, defies logic.

Also, the whole sifo-dyas thing went absolutely nowhere, and makes no sense either. Our first thought is that Sifo-dyas is a pseudonym for Sidious, but it turns out that there actually existed a Jedi called Sifo-Dyas. Errrr WHAT?!

Seeing as we can't realistically cut out Kamino simply due to issues of run time (it's an utterly pointless part of the story otherwise) and if we take away the Jedi's ignorance of the army as well as Jango being the template, then we need to find a different reason for him being there. And a way of conveying that Kamino is not some mystery planet. That Obi Wan knows what's being done there.

I think it's fine as it is simply due to the fact that Palpatine allowed the rebels to know the location of the shield generator. If there were many buildings around it, it would be a give away/easy to find.

*double post*

Other edits keep him as a Jedi indefinitely. He's not a bad guy, but rather the only one who knows the truth and is trying to save the republic.

Carrying this across from The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread, I want to recolour Jango (Boba in this edit) to have ESB colours, however I'm aware that recolouring all his armour will be a LOT of work (not to mention a nightmare changing the metallic finish to a matt one as well as making it green) so I might have to compromise and just change the visor.

I've previously toyed with changing the colours of Kamino when I considered the fact that Boba and Kamino seem to have been coloured to match eachother. I was inspired by a painting posted by Bingowings to see what it would looks like if Kamino matched a red visored Boba in the same way it does a blue.

The painting:

An altered screenshot:

I have very little skills with photoshop. This was just a simple hue/saturation edit. The sky happening to match the painting's quite well was a happy mistake. I just moved the hue slider all the way to red to change the visor colour and the rest followed suit.

Opinions? I quite like it, but that might just be because it's different to what we're all familiar with.

Just playing around with the hue/saturation to see what it would look like. Killing two birds with one stone here. Seeing Bingo's sky along with a red visored "JanBoba" :)

Timstuff said:

I don't really see the point in recoloring Jango. He's a different character from Boba, so he should have a different color scheme on his armor.

In my edit, he's Boba. We never see him without his helmet, never see the kid, or hear any of this "Boba is a clone" nonsense.

Also, even in an un-edited version, we can assume that Boba recovered the armour and repainted it.....why?