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Seriously guys...you're all quoting info that can only be found in supplemental books.

Nowhere in the movies does it say the time elapsed between episodes or the ages of the characters.

Working out ages based on the B.B.Y dates (again only in books) is again ridiculous. Plus many of the books contradict eachother anyway.

To quote Redlettermedia:

"and don't let me hear any of you f***ers tell me it was explained more in the novelisation, or some star wars book. What matters is the movie"

^Yeah. Anything that's only mentioned in the books is a non issue. 

E.g. I found it ridiculous that Amidala was apparently meant to be only 14 in TPM. Way to go ineptly trying to close the gap between her and Anakin's ages, George (rather than just making Anakin older to begin with)

Ooops! Missed out the e. Thankyou, Hawkeye Frink!

^Agreed. That debate was ridiculous. She's a movie heroine with obvious military skills. Her giving a briefing makes sense. Whether she's a princess or not, she's proven herself more than capable in battle, and she can therefore be assumed to be a high rank (otherwise she wouldn't be giving the briefing!!!!)

Seriously, who cares what rank she has? It's never mentioned. All that's important is that we can assume it's high enough for her to give a military briefing. Being a princess and a military leader with a proactive role is completely plausible in a galaxy far far away.

Excellent work. I've always thought it should end on "and the Jedi don't?"

Still can't stand the name Darth Plagueis though.

Have you considered changing it to "Darth Vader"? That way, it suggests that Anakin is stepping into this ancient sith's shoes to learn this power. And Palps dubbing him Darth Vader later on doesn't seem so random and based on nothing.

Palpatine: Henceforth, you wil be known as Darth.........um.............Vader. Yeah Darth Vader

Anakin: You're really pulling these names out of your ass aren't you? 

Harmy said:

Yeah, exactly, and Ady's using the German HD broadcasts as a source, which were originally 25fps. Anyway, there probably will be a DVD version as well but I'm confident that Ady will make sure that there will be no NTSC-PAL conversion problems.

 

Sorry I overlooked this post...

Are you sure the German HD broadcast was 25fps? I was always under the impression that all HD is 23.97...

Well if the speed goes unchanged from the (HD) source, then the PAL DVD release will be inconsistent...

Quoted from Ady's ANH:R thread:

My understanding of this is that the framerate for the PAL release remained at 25fps, whilst the NTSC utilized pitch correction and a framerate change.

My point is, unless Ady speeds it up by 4% for his PAL release, it will be inconsistent with the speed and pitch of his ANH:R PAL release.

Or am I completely wrong? Lol.

Edit: Also, I'm very confused by what Ady says about just changing the pitch of the audio. Surely to match the new framerate, the speed would have to change also?

I'm very curious about this for my own project too.

Thanks for your help! =)

Quick question, Ady. Seeing as you're working with the HD source which is 23.97 fps, will you be applying the 4% PAL speedup to it to make it consistent with ANH:R? (which was sourced mainly from the PAL DVD, and therefore was 4% faster and 4% higher in pitch at 25 fps)

Consistency between episodes is something you seem to be striving for in these edits (e.g. the same shade of yellow in the opening crawls) It would be a real shame if the speed and pitch didn't match. Especially when it comes to the crawl music.

Apologies if this has been brought up before. I've read the entire thread but don't remember seeing anything on the subject.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Darth Editous said:

 

As I've said, I've been able to slow it down 4%, but any scene change ends up with a slight fade due to the merging of frames on the added ones and it ends up overlapping at each cut.

Even if you can isolate the scene changes, the blurring of frames mid-scene will still ruin the flow of the video - it may not be immediately obvious, especially if viewed on a 60Hz monitor, but play it next to the original on a TV and I think you'll see what I mean. If I had to do this, I'd leave the video as it is and pitch-shift the audio, though that will never be perfect either, as it tends to introduce clicks and/or warbling.

DE

 

Thankyou DE! So in your releases (I'm assuming PAL sourced) do you just leave it as is? i.e. same speed and same pitch?

What about your NTSC releases?

Podracers have joined the soundboards :)

http://www.starwars.com/games/playnow/soundboards/#/?theme=47

Also, SSWR's Youtube channel has vanished. What's going on?

Ripplin said:

Yeah, I'd ask someone like Adywan or Darth Editous for some pointers about the PAL to NTSC dealio.

Nice clip. Reminds me to ask about another possible sound replacement issue: are you planning to do anything about the creatures in the arena? I pretty much fast forward that whole scene every time because I loathe the way those things sound, especially that big green thing. Someone experimented with it before, giving it a normal growl/roar, but I forget who... It was like music to my ears! ;)

Sorry forgot to reply to you there Ripplin. Yeah I definitely want to change the noises somehow. They're really terrible. I remember someone changing the Reek's roar to that of the T-Rex from Jurassic Park, and whilst it was much better than what it was originally, it broke immersion for me, it being obvious where it was from.

I'll have to look into some sound archives packs. Or even try my hand at mixing some myself a la old school Ben Burtt:)

I'm afraid it's Final Cut Pro, Bob. I basically want the movie in its original intended speed and pitch no matter which format it's in. I want a PAL release that's not sped up or high pitched, and likewise I don't want to settle for a mere pitch change when I convert it to NTSC as you folks in NTSC land are sure to notice it even more due to being used to no speedup.

As I've said, I've been able to slow it down 4%, but any scene change ends up with a slight fade due to the merging of frames on the added ones and it ends up overlapping at each cut.

A possible but time consuming solution would be to cut every single shot change, drag them all apart a distance one by one. Then do the slowdown and close all the gaps........I doubt I have the patience for that though.

Well the colour correction is taking a backseat for the time being until i decide on what to do regarding the PAL 4% speedup. I was none the wiser about it (having grown up with PAL all my life) but now that I know about it, it annoys the hell out of me.

I've knocked up an example of the difference. The higher pitch of the PAL version is very obvious to me now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xALQ4sB8JKE

Now I'm aware there are plenty of guides for converting PAL to NTSC, but what if I want it to still be PAL, but have it at the original speed? 

Changing the speed of my entire project within my timeline won't work as it messes up my cuts, and any shot changes where there are no cuts, it blends the images together for a split second (due to the necessary extra frames in making the footage longer)

From what I've gathered from reading Ady's ANH:R thread, he didn't change the speed, but simply corrected the aspect ratio and pitch for his NTSC DVDs.

Anyway, enough whining. If someone can shed some light on how best to go about this, that'd be great. Here's a clip I've been sitting on for some time as a reward for anyone who's still reading :-p

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YK6iTx3it0c

Well this edit is first and foremost for me :) And Revisited is the edit that I'll be watching from now on, so it makes sense :D

When I said I might make them different hues for consistency, I was referring to ANH when Obi's and Luke's are different shades. So having at least those two would make sense as these two hues had already been established.

However, I've realised that Ady corrected this in ANH:R (though they do still look a bit different due to the different lighting in each scene)

So I think I'll be striving to make all the Sabers the same (more cyan) tone afterall.

In other news, I've been brainstorming a way to fix all the story and logic issues in the movie and I think I've come up with an even more radically restructured story. It is quite possible I'll finish this edit, then create this alternate cut too. If it weren't for wipes, it would even be possible to have both cuts selectable on the same DVD via seamless branching. Damn you Star Wars and your fancy wipes!

I was actually considering deliberately making them multiple hues of blue anyway (to account for the variation we see between films and also to make the Jedi seem less stuffy and dogmatic all having identical sabers) 

Of course this could be achieved by just leaving the green sabers in there, but I like the idea of it not being expected when Luke fires up his saber.

Also the multiple colours flying about on Geonosis makes the battle insanely chaotic. Too much going on.

In any case, I'd still like to work on getting some nicer recolours with no bleed through. It may be the case that I have to rerotoscope the closeups, as these appear to suffer the most.

Looks almost like cel shading with all the oversaturated colours of the PT. I like it :)

thejediknighthusezni said:

Hey, all! Really enjoying these posts! This project is mind-blowing - I can't wait!      I've got some thoughts, but I'd like to ask some Q's before I try throwing in my $.02 .   Q1) Is there a list of proposed changes to ESB? The only list I could find is 005's beautiful photo-montage/list for ROTJ. I want to avoid repeating.    Q2) Is Ady doing some serious preliminary work on ROTJ, or is he all ESB right now?  

http://www2.originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/STAR-WARS-EP-V-REVISITED-EDITION-ADYWAN-RELEASE-DATE-2011/post/310397/#TopicPost310397

They're a LOT easier to make yellow, and I really dig yellow sabers. :-p

^Indeed. Just because a bunch of simpletons are amused by it, and the rest laugh at its sheer stupidity, doesn't make it good by any stretch. You may have been swearing inside your head, JasonN, but I was crying. *sniff* :'(

:p

JasonN, just the man! I've been experimenting with ways of recolouring multiple sabers at once without re-rotoscoping each one individually. Thought you might be interested in the result :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jam2WqcjGC4

Oops, JasonN's post was the last one there when I wrote this. Must remember to refresh...

I've been looking into how to recolour all the green sabers in the arena to blue without re-rotoscoping over each and every one of them (a bloody nightmare!) and I've come up with this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jam2WqcjGC4

Oh I intend to create a mask. That pic I posted was only testing out the first pass of colour correction - sorting out the ridiculous tints etc. I'm aware I won't be able to achieve anything near that old hue/saturation shift.

Anything involving more masks than just straight lines (to account for a wipe) will be done after it's all colour corrected and I have an accurate base to work from.