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AuggieBenDoggie said:

I agree. I'm all for fixes as well, but when it comes to un-warranted changes when there is nothing that needs fixing is ridiculous.

We've cited our reason for thinking it could do with a change, so that makes it warranted to those that agree. Same goes for your assertion that nothing needs fixing - again, we've justified why we think that it does :-)

It's a moot point though. I can live with it the way it is. Have done my whole life. What ultimately matters is what Ady thinks of it as this is his baby afterall.

ray_afraid said:

"Two fighters against a Stardestroyer?"

Any chance this line will be re-dubbed for Revisited? The actors reading is so casual and monotone he actually sounds bored instead of worried. I've tried it with my own voice giving the line a bit of a sarcastic chuckle (matches his facial expression) and I think it really works well.

I'd be all for this, as it's always bothered me how flat his delivery is. It would be much better if there was a tone of mocking disbelief, preferably still imitating the guy's voice, just with a different tone. I doubt many would be ok with it though as Revisited has a more "purist" following than most edits. I think a good impersonator would be able to make it seamless without upsetting too many people. 

Alternatively, a sharp exhale of exasperation could be added slightly before he utters the words. :-)

topdawg193 said:

For what it's worth, until the added transports were mentioned in this forum, I hadn't noticed them in the clip (which I was watching passively, not trying to find anything)! Looking back to catch this addition, I find it very effective and subtle.

I, on the other hand, was looking for stuff but didn't see it until 005 did his comparison :)

No! No saber at all! Was it you, Bingowings, that made the case for there being no need for Yoda to be an action hero by comparing his type of Jedi to Shaolin Monks and the other kind of Jedi to Shaolin Knights? I thought that was a perfect comparison that summed up how these prequels ought to have been handled in the first place.

adywan said:

I never trust any of the "...pedia's". There is only one shot in ESB where the engines are red and in that shot (the bottom shot) the engines have been added later as you can tell that the lights aren't even turned on (no light reflection on the underside). All other shots the engines are orange. Taken from the GOUT;

 

As for the meditation chamber view screen, i have removed all of the graphics and have just kept the outer detailing. It did look too busy so i'm going to keep those to use in ROTJ:R

That's really great to hear. I guess that one "redder" shot must've stuck in my mind more than the others. 

Great to hear about the screen too. I think you've made the right choice :-D

Well I guess the way I remember it isn't THAT much more red. I've just done a quick image to show what I mean. Sorry if people think I've been posting too much/obsessing. It's been a long night to be unable to sleep :-/

No, I know.... it just reflects what other people have observed about the colour, so my curiosity remains valid. Not that a canon source could have invalidated my observation on the colour seeming to have changed a bit. So I dunno what being canon or not has to do with anything here....

All I was looking for is clarification whether it looks more towards orange than it did originally. 

Also, I don't want to be thought of as a nitpicker again, but I'm a little curious what everyone thinks. I've always thought the Executor's engines were more of a true red than an orange. On the off chance that I was just colour blind, I looked it up and Wookiepedia says the engines are red. I just recall the glow being deeper coloured in the original that's all. Can anyone offer their thoughts, even if it's just to contradict me?

Well I feel stupid. Didn't realise it was even an option on Recuva. Unfortunately since backing everything up, the harddrive has been filled up again when I moved everything back, so now all the sectors have been rewritten :-(

I don't want to keep beating a dead horse, but my thoughts are that if people are going to try to compare it with real world computer operating systems to explain it away, then they miss the point. This is a film set in a fictional scifi universe. We don't need to explain that the computer does other things. We only need to see that it does the one thing we see it do - show the people on the other end of the line. Moreso, why does it even need to be capable of doing anything else? This is his meditation chamber. Somewhere Vader is going to be in isolation and only disturbed if absolutely necessary. It could (and due to that logic, probably should) be JUST a communications viewscreen and nothing else. I don't see Vader needing to monitor reactor levels in there, or compile the Empire's spending reports on Microsoft Excel.

Now don't get me wrong - having a HUD doesn't undermine it being just a screen either, and I very much like the look (though perhaps toned down a bit on the left), but people using the screen's other imagined functions, that we never see, as justification for it being there is tortured logic. 

But if you want to continue with that train of thought and lets say that it was canon that his computer did other things, consider this: I'm on Google Chrome right now writing this post and I just hit f11 to put it into fullscreen mode. There's no taskbar, no address bar, it's the most elegant and minimalist way possible of having just what I need on the screen. Don't you think that in this futuristic universe there'd be a similar approach? Further augmented by AI that does so seamlessly as well?

Again, I have to reiterate that I love the HUD look. The frame gives it that scifi look and you can easily imagine the text on the right representing the video buffering. ;-) It's only the bit on the left that's intrusive as it gets in the way unfortunately.

I apologise if I've seemed like I'm "nitpicking". I, along with everyone else here, just want this edit to be the best it can possibly be. There's a tendency with editing to fall in love with changes you've worked hard on even if, stylistically, they might not work. It's very easy to lose sight of goals due to your pride in something and it's only from constructive criticism that things can change for the better in these cases. See: The Great Flipper Debate.

Been wondering this for a while, but weren't the Super Star Destroyer's engines closer to red than orange in the GOUT? I kinda feel like they should be shifted slightly. Or is my memory failing me? I always remembered them more of a crimson...

Siliconmaster482 said:

Tobar said:

Yeah I love the control room graphics, I feel like the spinning circle in the background might be going a little fast but that might be because it's new.

That was my only other gripe- for some reason the spinning circle immediately pulls my attention to it in those shots. Even slowing down the spin a bit would help it blend in more with the background, and (assuming it's a spinning overlay in AE) slowing it down wouldn't be too difficult.  I love the look, it's just too distracting at the moment.

Got to disagree here. I thought it was really subtle. :-/

Bingowings said:

The monitor displays on the Death Star and within the elecrobinoculars have overlays.

I think the problem I have with your reasoning is the fact that Vader's screen is neither field equipment - where measurements/numbers etc would no doubt have some significance, nor is it used (within the movie in this instance at least) for information readouts. It's to give orders "face to face" and intimidate. That's not to say that off camera it isn't used for other things but that's not the point. What's important is the one scene the audience sees, and for this an uncluttered screen is sufficient from a film making perspective (and makes sense for all the reasons brought up) and doesn't go against the film's internal logic either.

I do really like the frame overlay and am in no way against an overlay of any kind. I can live with the text on the right. It's just the bit on the left I find intrusive.

Edit - Also, I've got to add - The Empire is an evil dictatorship. Vader and Palpatine are the evil overlords. Why would Vader need readouts when he's got terrified officers doing his bidding? May as well give him some paperwork to do as well :p

vbangle said:

On a plus note, didn't everyone think the ion cannon control room graphics were spot on? I thought they looked real good and added that extra touch. Plus it was nice to see the female gunner actually looking at something useful rather than just a piece of glass with a few lines on it. :)

That's my favourite change so far and it's absolutely perfectly implemented. The way it turns red to indicate it's locked on just as she's about to say "fire". Superb.

Bingowings said:

As I said in my earlier post, if the information is important enough to be on screen at that time it would be on screen all the time the screen is visible.

Like the clock on my computer desktop right now.

It was there before I activated the browser to type this and it will be there when I switch it off to do something else.

I've never been a fan of real-world explanations to justify choices that go against filmic conventions. I've always seen that as the weapon of the prequel fanboy ;-)

In this case. the HUD could be seen to undermine the framing, point of focus and the mise en scene. In my opinion, it's what makes it work as a film for the audience that matters, not making it a realistic world. Otherwise you may as well have a cup of coffee next to Vader as well as a scene where two Stormtroopers discuss the loss of the Falcon at the urinal. :-)

Having looked over the clip several times, I think I've decided that the HUD is a big no no, especially the bit on the left. I find it quite distracting as it hovers near the face of the point of focus (the guy being choked) and is in front of him much of the time.

Something between what you have now and none at all will give it that scifi feel without it feeling so obtrusive. Maybe just remove the left part and keep the vertical text on the right. Or maybe just keep the outline to differentiate it from our own real world screens. The way I see it, Vader's the boss and that screen is just to give orders. He way be a great tactician and pilot when the situation calls for it, but when it comes to the screen in his meditation chamber I think it should be a straightforward way to give face to face orders. Nothing else.

Was just watching the clip in super slow motion so I could take in all the changes and I noticed a VFX glitch that Ady may want to sort if he hasn't already.

At 02:44 after the second Ion blast hits the top part of the Star Destroyer (with the two balls) for a split second, the upper part of this section shifts ever so slightly as if it's slightly misaligned from whatever manipulation of clean plates ady has done. Blink and you'll miss it. Perhaps someone else can confirm this for us?

Very sorry updates have been sparse. I'd not long got back into working on this after a long absence from it. The computer I used was in storage and I've had a lot of stuff on including a house move. Admittedly I only moved 2 doors down, but there's far less room for my stuff in this house. There was no more collecting of sounds left, all I've been doing for some time is just putting them in named folders by category. Unfortunately, last week I got the dreaded message saying the hard drive needed formatting before I could access it.

I had no choice but to format, but immediately ran Recuva and rescued ALL the files on there. Nothing was lost as far as I can tell. However, as anyone who's used recovery software before will know, when it identifies and then saves the deleted files, you get all the files but no folders. So every bit of work I did in sorting the files into their relevant folders by category is lost. Not only that, but any archives I downloaded or ripped originally which were also all in folders are also now unsorted.

Absolutely chaotic! I wish I'd had an extra harddrive to run as a raid clone so this could never have happened.

So basically I'm back to square one. In fact I'm back even further than that as the files I had originally aren't even sorted anymore!

Loving the new clip.

Though I can't tell if the left side of the HUD is distracting because it's covering Ozells face, or just because I know it's new. Hmmmm...

MrInsaneA said:

I think it's her "Christian Bale Batman Voice." 

Love that as a description! Yeah I understand the (contrived) reason for the voice, but it's just annoying and really obvious it isn't her.

If it had been Portman's regular voice but disguising herself with a different, more formal, accent, that would have sold the concept a lot better. The voice we got is just awful though. :-(

Editroid said:

Why bother changing Padmé's voice in Episode I to sound like how she was in Episode II, when it takes place ten years before it? The character should be 14 in this movie.

Because Padme as queen has that stupid deep monotone ADR'd voice that makes her sound even more boring than her character is already.

How was it ever explained that she has a completely different person's voice when dressed in Royal robes anyway? Did a wizard do it?

This fantastic work has recently come to attention. To its creator, who may be reading this ;) well done.

If you have the dvd in your possession, couldn't you or your friend just rip it to an iso file and upload it somewhere rather than joining the audio all together from youtube clips? Or have I missed something really obvious?

I'd prefer it if the sweep occurred within each individual eye, but to each his own. I really effing love the idea though!

aalenfae said:

Oh yes, absolutely. 
It's just that recently, I've been occupying myself with the menial grunt-work of visual changes.

I'm not sure if I've mentioned this outright, but I plan on adding Palpatine dialogue with an impersonator. I'm going to harmonize Anakin wanting to save Padme with his lust for power. Anakin in the end will be seduced by the Dark Side, and not tricked into it in order to save Padme. He knows what he's getting into, and I'm going to do that with new dialogue. It's kind of secretive as to how, at the moment. 

Also, I have a rather BIG plan in the works for General Grievous, who will most likely be redubbed. 

Apart from this, many of my changes are changing the tone and mood of scenes, such as Anakin killing Mace Windu, which I've recut in such a way that it feels like more of a powerful moment. Music and sound changes are a big part of that.  

Sounds good to me! :-D