This is an oldie from my AOTC edit (on which progress is ponderously slow) but I used a "Yes Sir" from the game Jedi Knight 2 which might be suitable for insertion without sounding too familiar:
I guess this is much like ANH:R's Great Flipper Debate™ which proved that sometimes deviating from how things were originally can be a vast improvement. Clearly the original intention was for it to be Ponda Baba's arm, but many thought it made more sense to be Evazan's. In that instance, Ady changed it as it did end up making more sense (not to mention look better).
In the case of the SD, it's still a really great shot either way (but accomplishes vastly different results from an editing perspective) but I don't really mind which way it goes. Either way Ady should remember not to feel restricted by the source material. It's not a preservation after all, but an edit (albeit with purist tendencies).
Likewise, he should not feel he has to bow to popular opinion either. This is his baby.
Hmm this is a tough one. On the one hand Ady is changing the colouring back to how all the evidence points out it used to look, but then there's some of us that think the GOUT's washed out colours actually changed the sequence for the better (shocker, I know) as a cinematic 'reveal'. Personally, I'm on the fence. I think both the "holy shit, what's creating that big ass shadow?" and the "glimpsing just the fin of the shark" approaches have merit.
I've looked into this before. It can't be done effectively. In the same way that cutting out someone from a photograph doesn't let you see what was behind them at the time, you can't separate music from dialogue and hear them both separately as they were. Some clever software can try and separate frequencies and give you a rough approximation of the individual sounds but you can NEVER unmix sound that's already mixed. The only hope is that one day there'll be a release with just dialogue on the centre channel. Normally doesn't happen though. The rare exception was The Clone Wars CG series. That would be a fan editor's dream if it was actually worth editing.
Way too many children stumble onto this thread...
Isley said:
Harmy said:
Isley said:
rockin said:
I am probably opening a can of worms by asking this but, why the hell do we people want to make ESB more like the prequels anyway?
Probably because the movie industry managed to fool a lot of people into believing that flashy and over-saturated pictures were more meaningful to a movie's quality than a deep story and convincing characters.
Well, if you were looking at it that way, then this whole exercise would be kind of meaningless though, wouldn't it? You could as well just watch a VHS of the original version - the story and characters would still be the same.
I see what you mean. However the point of this exercise, as you say is not to make the OT look more flashy or over-saturated. As far as I can tell it's about improving it, restoring it and erasing some awful changes introduced by the SE.
I think we can all agree that ady's visual changes and additions are a lot more sympathetic to the spirit of the originals than anything lucasfilm have done for the SE or the Prequels. To compare ady's edit to the 'flashy and over saturated' prequels is not fair at all, though I'm guessing this wasn't really Harmy's intention. :)
The Nerd said:
HotRod said:
Well maybe you should next time, otherwise you'll look like a bit if a twat again!
just saying
Twat again? When was the first time?
In case it helps you, that was the second time right there.
muddyknees2000 said:
Also, this is a fictional universe. I have no problem believing that things there are not necessarily as they are here. Perhaps, even with all the other scientific advancements they HAVE managed, cloning still eluded them until just recently (in their time) (a long time ago, in our time).
The Star Wars universe is clearly an alternate timeline to ours in terms of technological advancement as they've clearly discovered energy weapons before projectiles (because otherwise they'd be using machine guns instead of laser blasts that move so slowly you can see them with the naked eye and dodge them!) and also it clearly obeys different physical laws to our universe (being able to hear stuff in space or walk around in an asteroid). I have absolutely no problem believing that the discovery of cloning is a new thing.
Because that's not what Revisited is about. It's not looking to alter the flow of the OT or change episode numbers.
I think ROTJ:R is definitely an edit that would benefit from an alternative 'purist' version viewable via a branching disk.
That way if, as I suspect, the ST only makes specific references to events or surviving characters from the OT, the purist cut doesn't affect continuity with these new films as it will play out as it did before on a story level.
The reason I suspect the ST will not make any references specific enough to the PT to impact continuity with the PT:R is that I think Disney are well aware the prequels are best left forgotten and also the events in the prequels occur before the lives of anyone in the story anyway so it's not likely to be referenced in the ST regardless - unless they start talking about specifics like midichlorians or Anakin turning to save his wife from dying during childbirth etc.....in which case I'd day the ST is doomed anyway as they'd clearly be following the George school of expository dialogue.
Wow. Just....wow. I've never made a secret of the fact that I've always been more excited by the prospect of a fixed prequel trilogy rather than minor fixes to the OT. Helping with these films and following the project just got a whole lot more exciting!
Apologies, Frink. I'm a busy man these days. Whilst I agree with you it IS my responsibility to distribute the project, I really prefer not to send links to incomplete and unsorted archives that someone else has uploaded as I am a completist about this kind of thing. My project is currently on hold. I've made it clear in my replies that I lost all my progress. I'm sure you can understand I'd prefer not to dole out table scraps when the feast itself no longer seems forthcoming. Doing so would lead to me being inundated with link requests again, which would be fine if it were for the finished product which I could take pride in, but this just isn't the case.
It might interest some of you to learn that the only sounds in my archive that are not readily available online are the ones from the sounds of star wars book.
In terms of Adywan's edit being the SE we should have had, I don't think anyone can argue with this as it actually has LESS changes than the official SE and addresses many of the official SE's excesses. Ady's version is somewhere in between an enhanced and remastered Theatrical version and George's butchered SE. I fail to see how this is a bad thing.
From a Purist standpoint, the Revisited saga is NOT a preservation, so people need to stop using these tired old arguments against the changes. If you want a preservation, watch the GOUT, or Harmy's or one of a number of other preservations. We can all agree that Ady's edits are preserving more than any official version in existence as it's restoring many things back to how they were in the original release - things we can no longer see in an official Blu Ray release due to George's insistance upon suppressing the Original Unaltered Trilogy.
I'm not sure if Joral's comments were intended to be inflammatory or trolling. His post does seem to be one big Straw Man argument though as his points hinge on Adywan having completely opposite goals to what he's actually trying to achieve.
I was actually privvy to the AT-STs a while back when Ady accidentally posted a screenshot of them, but I was sworn to secrecy.
Even having seen a screenshot before though, I was unprepared for how beautiful it would look in motion. Ady should take it as the ultimate compliment that I was told off by the gf for repeatedly swearing in sheer awe as I watched it.
F****NG OUTSTANDING!
I wish I could help, but as I've stated previously I have all (or nearly all) the files after backing up my failed hard drive, however the folder structure wasn't retained. In other words, everything I'd sorted became unsorted. I do intend to get started on it again, but unfortunately it won't be any time soon. I did start again a few months ago, but life has got in the way again.
I also think people are misinterpreting NLH's post as being more aggressive than it was intended to be. Remember, people, that tone doesn't come across over the internet and it's often very easy to offend without meaning to.
When Anakin is "landing" the ship, have Lesley Nielsen from Airplane repeatedly coming in saying "I just want to tell you both good luck. We're all counting on you." :p
Not sure if even possible as I can't even recall the camera angles or how much footage there is to work with.
Edit: Dammit. Doubleofive seems to have said this already.
I'm guessing Kasdan and everyone else involved will want to forget the PT ever happened. I'm pretty confident that whilst Disney is known for sometimes making shlock, they're going into this with the mindset of "ok, George clearly has a mental illness and a severe case of narcissism, but let's take everything beloved about the franchise and apply it to this". Maybe they'll get it all wrong, but I don't think it could EVER be as bad as the prequels.
I think Ady has stated he won't be editing the Sequel Trilogy. I don't really blame him. I mean how much older might he be by the time even the Prequels are done? I'm sure once these are done, which will be a massive achievement, he will want a well deserved break.
Furthermore, the Sequel Trilogy may surprise us by actually being good. I'm remaining hopeful.
I firmly believe that Jar Jar was always intended to be a character that stuck with our protagonists through the entire prequel saga. But then everyone hated him so Lucas was pretty much shamed into barely even showing him in the next two. Clearly he didn't have the conviction or passion for the character to have kept him in regardless - which just shows that Jar Jar as a character wasn't thought out at all and none of it was planned out because the next 2 were written Jar-Jar-less and still function (or don't as may be the case).
So as it stands, his role in the prequels is compromised as he didn't fulfill it for more than the one film, which to me makes him completely pointless and it's a bit odd to have someone be so significant in one film yet become pretty much a cameo role in the rest.
His only role even within TPM is to introduce us to the Gungans, and when it comes to it, I'd remove the whole lot of them too! The battle with them vs the droids is ultimately pointless so why have it? Let's just have one human population on Naboo and leave it at that.
My vote would be to get rid of him. Better yet, replace him with some character Ady is adding throughout the saga. Replacing him with a recast Anakin and rejigging it all so they meet him on Tatooine would be my wish, but I've harped on about that enough :-p
I'd agree that in the average fan-edit, removing Jar-Jar would be impossible, however Ady is no doubt going to do some major rearranging and, I assume, flesh much of it out through refilmed elements. This isn't just another fan edit where we need to retain their reason for getting to the Gungan city and then into a submarine etc etc. In his edit, none of this might happen. Maybe something completely different that we never imagined happens.
The extra detail from the Blu Ray source must just really show up how bad it is then. I've only ever watched the DVD edits (got my official blu rays sealed with no intention of ever watching them). Maybe a lower resolution actually helps unite the fake and the real elements by blurring the edges a bit :)
Actually, is it better if it's becomes "A Galaxy Divided" instead? I've just realised I've fallen into that trap of forcing it to start with "THE" just so it can mirror TESB. Ultimately I don't suppose it matters, does it?
Also I might be renaming it 'Episode 1' as if The Phantom Menace never happened. It depends how much there is to salvage in that film or how much of it can be utilised somehow in the other two. Does anyone have any thoughts?
That way, episode 2 becomes about Anakin's fall and Episode 3 becomes about the formation of the Alliance/The Rise of the Empire (and someone can film the damn thing!) :)
The way I see it, if there's any material in one film that could fix the other two, I'd much rather have an incomplete trilogy with 2 decent films than a trilogy of still very flawed films.
Any updates, Bob? How's progress?
Also I've updated my title. I've been chewing it over for quite some time and have settled on 'THE GALAXY DIVIDED' thanks to some input from Bingowings quite some time ago.
I could more or less have easily released this edit 2 years ago as it was just as polished as many other edits and more radically edited, but I judged it on the fact that I still wouldn't watch it myself, so it was back to the drawing board. I'm now on my 4th editing attempt from scratch. It's been improving...slowly but it's hard work getting good results from this mess of a film.
It struck me the other day whilst watching L8wrtr's fan edit of AOTC, which I believe he's colour graded to a degree.....my god. Once you change the colours (or do whatever it is he did) it really exposes the green screen. All the characters looked like they weren't actually there. I really couldn't believe how much it made them stand out from the background. Whilst the films have always been like a cartoon, the illusion that they're in these environments has mostly come across.
This may ultimately make it easier for ady to roto them out and then make new backgrounds that actually match the elements being superimposed.
Edit: It is of course possible that he didn't do any colour grading and I'm just noticing how bad it is for the first time.
The Kull warriors or similar being all in black would actually be quite symbolic against the troopers all in white.
Agreed about the animated PT. I'd happily watch an animated fan-made prequel trilogy alongside my Adywan OT. People may argue about continuity being compromised but when you think about it, you could end up with characters that actually look like young versions of Alec Guinness and Sebastian Shaw. Being animated would just be an alternate style for a different trilogy. Much of the prequels looks like a pixar movie anyway afterall.
There's an animated PT thread somewhere on here.