brash_stryker

MrInsaneA said:

brash_stryker said:

That is the only way I can imagine sorting it for ANY edit. My idea is not specific to Ady's (though this is a Revisited thread).

You simply cannot get around the slave thing without either ignoring how retarded it is, or filming enough extra material that Anakin isn't a slave in the first place and for that matter we might never see or hear about Shmi (what a fucking stupid name) at all.

Lotta aggression here. XD

 

Listen, I have no problem with her being a slave, the issue for me is that Anakin never frees her, either on or off camera. So does anyone have any ideas on how to accomplish that? 

Well ridiculous plot-holes make me angry :p

Honestly, short of an editor redubbing Hayden's lines with a new voice actor and adding a line where he discusses having freed his mother (not my favourite approach as it's incredibly contrived), I don't know how else it can be accomplished.

I've done extensive work on my AOTC edit and I've still not released it after YEARS because it's still not good enough. It is inherently unfixable without adding whole new sequences to fill the gaps left over once you cut out what doesn't work or make sense (most of the film).

The other prequels are no different and have flaws that fuck up or contradict things in the other films.

So I think the reason you're not getting a different answer to your question is that there isn't one! Or at least no one here has thought of one yet ;)

Just to give an example of why Shmi is an unnecessary character (if you are radically re-editing/refilming) - We never meet or hear about Han Solo's parents. It's just not important. The Prequels are just too much like a contrived soap opera with people meeting each other's families with awkward and cringeworthy introductions - "I'm Owen Lars. This is my girlfriend, Beru". *vomits*

That is the only way I can imagine sorting it for ANY edit. My idea is not specific to Ady's (though this is a Revisited thread).

You simply cannot get around the slave thing without either ignoring how retarded it is, or filming enough extra material that Anakin isn't a slave in the first place and for that matter we might never see or hear about Shmi (what a fucking stupid name) at all.

MrInsaneA said:

So...um...how about Shmi? Anyone have any ideas for the slave thing?

brash_stryker said:

MrInsaneA said:

I wasn't just referring to Ady's edit though, just edits in general. Does anyone have any idea how to solve this Shmi conundrum?

Edited for clarity:

I'm also hoping that young slave Annie is completely obliterated from Revisited and therefore his mother won't be a slave either and the first time we'd see her (if at all!) Is when she dies. The first we'd see of anakin is already as Obi's ADULT apprentice. Not sure how it would work but that's what I'm hoping for.

 

The reason I feel it doesn't work changing actors/ages for Anakin is that his character essentially reboots into an entirely different one. We need to have more time with the same Anakin otherwise the turn will feel too forced and sudden. We need at least one and a half films with the same "good anakin" with the beginning of the second film planting the seeds of temptation and the bulk of the 2nd film showing the beginning of his fall to the dark side.

I just don't feel like we "know" the adult Anakin enough for there to be a convincing and gradual fall if the first film has him as essentially a completely different character and NOTHING like the person old Obi describes in ANH. No matter how much nicer you make Hayden, I will never see Jake as the same character. We've missed out on too much of his life and development to feel connected with him. He is a new character from AOTC onwards and that's why it's IMO, impossible to get a convincing and non-rushed fall without getting rid of Jake Lloyd Anakin entirely.

Oh I've just seen that's what you meant too. Your previous posts kinda suggested you wanted him to be an asshole all the way through :p

Got to agree with Bingo on this point. Obi wan describes Anakin affectionately as "a good friend". I don't think we as the audience should be shown something at odds with this (actually this is the problem with the prequels as they CURRENTLY are). If we watch them in order and hate his guts, how are we going to react to Obi's line then? We need to think Anakin is a great guy THEN see him become selfish and power-hungry. 

MrInsaneA said:

I wasn't just referring to Ady's edit though, just edits in general. Does anyone have any idea how to solve this Shmi conundrum?

I'm also hoping that young slave Annie is completely obliterated from Revisited (seeing as Ady has stated he's majorly reworking the order and editing the prequels all at once and the final running time would also be majorly cut down) and therefore his mother won't be a slave either. The first we see of anakin is already as Obi's apprentice. Not sure how it would work but that's what I'm hoping for.

Ideally Anakin would be played by a new refilmed actor so there's no issue with lack of material , but that's possibly too ambitious a wish

Anakin's mother not being freed makes no sense so it does need to be fixed.

Whether it affects his current "fall" to the dark side (which currently plays like a conscious decision) doesn't matter to me as his fall needs to be completely reworked anyway. His journey to the dark side is meant to be a seduction of power, not him being driven there by love and loss.

Anakin doesn't need to have any pre-existing resentment towards the Jedi. In fact he definitely shouldn't as it cheapens and takes impact away from his eventual fall. It's meant to be a surprise that Anakin, the perfect Jedi and perfect friend to Obi Wan ends up turning against them. It's not so much a surprise if, actually, he had plenty to dislike about them. Remember also that Ady wants to keep Anakin=Vader a secret.

obikal said:

Anyone else a little uncomfortable with the coke bottle sticking out of his torso...?  ;)

It's to attach to his COLAstomy bag.

They already have a name:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Knobby_white_spider

muddyknees2000 said:

They apparently sent Ady some paperwork with the incorrect model number typo on it, and since he didn't correct them on the error BEFORE making a claim they're refusing to pay out.

Did Ady acknowledge this paperwork in any way? (or has he since?)

If Ady sent it back to them with a signature, then I understand how they've screwed him.

If, however, there's no actual proof of receipt of said paperwork, or there hasn't been an acknowledgement of receipt of it from Ady, he will win if he contests it via the financial Ombudsman.

They can't possibly do that. The burden of proof is on them to prove that you gave them the wrong model number. If they can't prove it they have no leg to stand on. They're trying to use it as a get-out clause, well they can't without proof.

Bit worried now as I've just taken out the house insurance with kwik-fit. I might give them a call and say how they've treated you is making me want to back out of my policy.

I've always liked the concept of the tree having a mobile animal-like stage in its life cycle. "Our" animals often go through dramatic changes which results in it appearing a different species entirely so this being a galaxy far far away, I don't find it that farfetched that a tree has evolved to have autonomous seeds :)

I definitely don't think there should be a herd of them. Just one in the background moving very slowly so that it takes a moment for us to register that it's anything but a bunch of roots. More eerie that way and a less blatant addition.

Akratus said:

Does anyone know what Ady's plans are when it comes to the looks of the films? There is a huge difference between the way the two trilogies were made. So what I would like to see, as some of you might too, is to see the prequel trilogy to be color corrected to be more in line with the original trilogy. Possibly some effects or designs could be removed or replaced to give the sense more that this is one setting, and not just scifi designs of different decades. Because as we can all see there is just a bit too big of a difference between the two trilogy, even though the original is supposed to take place further in the future.

I think that'll be the absolute minimum Ady will do. There's going to be a lot of miniatures replacing previously CG shots if I recall.

muddyknees2000 said:

 

I brought up the issue of R2 plugging into the power socket on Bespin and frying himself. It always bothered me in the SE that they put in such a huge delay between him deploying his interface tool (hehehe) and him actually plugging in and getting shocked. I had counted out the time, and it was something like 13 seconds that we're supposed to believe he deployed, and then just sat there....waiting for the camera to come back onto him before continuing his movement. It's ridiculous. So I had someone chop up a few different edits for me....and got the time down to half, and then to a couple of seconds....and presented Ady with the 2 options. What I had asked of my editor was that he ignore the audio aspect....I simply wanted to see if the visual could be spliced in such a way as it didn't feel off. Additionally I was hoping we could recover the few seconds of R2 that were lost in the SE edit....his interface appendage (just gets funnier everytime) has some lights on it that pulse at one point, and this was lost in the SE cut.

Ady explained to me that as much as he'd have liked to change it back to something closer to the original the audio was too heavily layered and flattened into one channel in the only available source for him to do much about it. I believe that Lando's PA announcement to Bespin was the specific source of the problem...but I do not recall if there were more constraints he mentioned.

There you go... 

To be honest, it's been so long since I've watched the GOUT I wasn't even aware there had been changes like that to the pacing at all in the SE. Excuse me if this sounds dumb, but why can't Ady just use the original GOUT/Laserdisc audio to fix that segment?

Oh totally. I've since edited my last post to make it clear I'm not downplaying how difficult it would be. I just think that with all ady has planned such as new mattes and backgrounds,  zooming in shots to tighten the focus, I think it would be very possible to remove Yoda for much of the film.

Of course, ady probably won't even go for the idea, but I think he definitely should consider it if it's possible.

ray_afraid said:

muddyknees2000 said:

As much as I agree with this idea...

what about... His confrontation with Dooku for example? 

And what of the end battle with Sidious?

removing Yoda from the PT would be a major overhaul.

Hmm.. I guess PT:R won't be as radical an edit as I was hoping... :/

I always figured these scenes would be on the cutting room floor in Revisited, personally. Once you remove all the crap from the PT, all that really remains Yoda-wise, is the council chamber scenes. Of course the issue still remains of the film needing padding out with all that's being cut, but that's where people like muddyknees2000 come in ;)

Oh and I'm definitely not downplaying how difficult this would be. It's a massive undertaking.

I've always thought Luke being told to seek Yoda out in ESB should have been a momentous occasion for the audience as we're finally getting to meet this character previously shrouded in mystery and given almost mythological status. It also serves to emphasise the desperate situation the galaxy is in - this boy without any training is now the galaxy's last hope and being granted an audience with Yoda. THE Yoda. I mean OMG!

Instead we just see the same guy we saw in the prequels (no more remarkable than any another Jedi and just happens to be small and green and did acrobatics)

It should be a shock to be expecting this formidable Jedi Master whose reputation has been built up in the prequels but we then find out things aren't always as they appear to be and size matters not. 

I do seriously hope Ady reconsiders :)

adywan said:

As i have said before, there isn't a Yoda surprise. It was a surprise meant for Luke and not the audience. If it was meant to be a surprise then they wouldn't have used him in the promotional material prior to the films release.

I've seen fans that try to explain Yoda's crazy behaviour when we first see him as it being down to him living secluded so long on Dagobah. But this is completely wrong. He is only acting that way to fool Luke. It was more of a test to see if Luke was open minded enough to think that this little green goblin could be the greatest jedi master. he failed.

So there really isn't a problem with having Yoda in the prequels. No surprises spoilt.

I've got to respectfully disagree with this logic. The prequels were always touted as being about Anakin Skywalker's journey to becoming Darth Vader, to the extent that the Vader breathing accompanied Anakin at every damn opportunity in the trailers, and you only have to remember the poster of Jake Lloyd with Vader's shadow. It was made clear to the audience from day one that he's going to become Darth Vader - it doesn't mean that we SHOULD have known and you're quite rightly addressing this in your edit and working to preserve the reveal in ESB.

By that same logic, just because the audience knew what Yoda looked like from the promotional material released before the film, doesn't mean we SHOULD have known. In my opinion, it's quite obvious he was meant to fool us as well as Luke - I mean, I never saw this promotional material prior to the film and therefore I personally never knew it was Yoda until Luke did, so I think this needs to be preserved for those watching it with fresh eyes without prior spoilers. Had you not seen these spoilers yourself in 1980, it may have been a surprise for you as it was for me when I first saw it.

I still think we shouldn't SEE Yoda until ESB. We should either hear mention of him or we should only hear his voice along with a hologram that doesn't actually reflect his real appearance (which is also a nice homage to the Wizard of Oz which is exactly the kind of thing OT Lucas used to do)

emanswfan said:

I'd really be interested in knowing what ideas were planned, but won't happen.

Curious about this one myself. Can't imagine what it is!

I think the idea of a speech is terribly evocative of the PT's spoonfeeding of the audience. The OT was great because it could convey things purely through visuals IMO.

Learning that you've now addressed the "who was a pupil of mine until he turned to evil" line, I am so much more excited than I was already.

I can't wait to help in any way I can :D

Agreed. Definitely a logical change that needs to be implemented. Probably one of the rare instances where an actual edit is warranted.