As suggested, I have put this in its own thread. After reading a thread about the original editing team for ANH, it occurred to me that there would surely be members of the teams who worked on the OOT that were none too impressed with the SEs and may be prepared to go on record as being against LucasFilm's policy of suppressing the OOT, for exhibition in cinemas as well as for home releases (I do not regard the September discs as at all satisfactory).
I had a good look through iMDB and picked out some names. I will edit the list in this post as addresses are posted below.
Please feel free to post useful postal addresses, even if they are not for people on this list!
Irvin Kershner Lawrence Kasdan John Williams Gary Kurtz Howard Kazanjian Gilbert Taylor Peter Suschitzky Alan Hume Alec Mills John Dykstra Joe Johnston Dennis Muren Phil Tippett Ken Ralston Michael Pangrazio Ben Burtt Richard Chew Paul Hirsch Marcia Lucas John Mollo Norman Reynolds
Originally posted by: ShiftyEyes auraloffalwaffle, a few of the people on your list are no longer living. Richard Marquand (director of ROTJ) and John Barry (production designer SW) are deceased. Alan Hume (DOP ROTJ) was actually fired before completing ROTJ as well.
Bugger...
Oh well, there's a few others anyway! Onwards and upwards!!
Just to provide the other side of the argument, you could keep your VHS copies (or Laserdiscs or whatever) and NOT buy the unsatisfactory September discs. You could wait it out and keep up the campaign for a proper DVD release.
As we've seen, there are clearly two camps forming on this issue, but I hope both will continue to fight, even after the September discs are out, for a proper DVD release of the OOT. I recommend those that buy the discs in September lend their support to the SE disc return.
Also, if you were meaning your question in the sense of "is there any point to keeping VHS copies after buying the September discs?" then I would have to say that they are not likely to appreciate much in value, so it would be purely for your own nostalgia!
Inspired by the recent thread about the original editing team on the OOT, I'm considering writing to some of the people who made the OOT what it was, in the hope that some of them may join in putting pressure on LucasFilm to end its suppression of the OOT in theatres and on home release (I do not consider the September discs as a satisfactory release).
People I would like to write to are:
Irvin Kershner (Dir. ESB) Richard Marquand (Dir. ROTJ) Gary Kurtz (Pro. ANH & ESB) Howard Kazanjian (Pro. ROTJ) Lawrence Kasdan (Scr. ESB & ROTJ) Gilbert Taylor (DOP ANH) Peter Suschitzky(DOP ESB) Alan Hume (DOP ROTJ) Richard Chew (Ed. ANH) Paul Hirsch (Ed. ANH & ESB) Marcia Lucas (Ed. ANH, ESB & ROTJ) Duwayne Dunham (Ed. ROTJ) Sean Barton (Ed. ROTJ) John Dykstra (SFX ANH) Ralph McQuarrie (Conceptual Artist, Illustrator & Backgrounds ANH, ESB & ROTJ) John Barry (Pro. Des. ANH) Norman Reynolds (Pro. Des. ESB & ROTJ) John Mollo (Cos. Des. ANH & ESB) Aggie Guerard Rodgers (Cos. Des. ROTJ) Nilo Rodis-Jamero (Cos. Des. ROTJ)
I may also consider writing to performers like Mark Hamill, Harrison Ford, Carrie Fisher, Peter Mayhew, David Prowse, James Earl Jones, Anthony Daniels, Kenny Baker, Frank Oz, Ian McDiarmid, Billy Dee Williams, Jeremy Bulloch...
I could try John Williams too.
I figure that, if I ask, some of them may be prepared to go on record as being against LucasFilm's policy.
Lucas may have come up with some ideas but it was his team made Star Wars a success.
I'm very pleased to read such a thread about the editing team, something I've not looked at. I know I read someone's post elsewhere that the producer, Gary Kurtz, may also have been a massive factor in the success, and he bailed after ESB! He went on to produce 'The Dark Crystal' and 'Return To Oz', two of my favourite fantasy movies.
I had a look at iMDB at Richard Chew, Paul Hirsch and Marcia Lucas. Marcia stayed for all three, but Chew bailed after ANH and Hirsch after ESB. All three have worked on superb productions elsewhere (including, collectively, 'Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore' and 'Taxi Driver' (Scorsese), 'One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest' (Foreman), 'The Conversation' (Coppola), 'Falling Down' (Schumacher), 'The New World' (Malick)) and never worked with Lucas again.
Also worth remembering are John Dykstra, Ralph McQuarrie and Ben Burtt (on sound!).
Burtt is the only one of the people mentioned above that has stuck with Lucas right up to the present. All the others had bailed by, or just after, 1983. And all of the people mentioned had a pivotal role in creating what has become the Star Wars universe.
It does not (and has not ever) rested upon Lucas alone.
Originally posted by: zombie84: The breathless finale of Empire works as well, except the ridiculous "alert my star destroyer" sequence that does some major damage to the flow.
That was an SE alteration, as discussed in another thread.
Looks like there are lots of people on both sides of the buy / don't buy divide.
I urge everyone who buys the September discs to participate in the SE disc return. Those people who said that they might give the disc away to a relative or friend, please make sure that you notify LFL / Newscorp of your decision. IF YOU DO BUY, TELL THEM WHY!
I urge everyone who doesn't buy the September discs to notify LFL / Newscorp of your decision. IF YOU DON'T BUY, TELL THEM WHY!
The more actual customer feedback they receive, the less doubt there will be about the market for DVDs of the OOT.
It will also go some way to eliminating the "did they buy it for the SEs or the OOT?" question.
I will not purchase any DVD version of episodes 4, 5 or 6 until the OOT are provided, included with or separate from the current edits, in a SATISFACTORY presentation.
In response to the question: "how can you complain about something no-one has seen yet?"
Do we not have, on this site, an email FROM LUCASFILM detailing the non-anamorphic version of the OOT which will be bundled with the 'bonus material'?
Is there not information on this site and others about the sources used to make these DVDs of the OOT?
Are we, then, to ignore this, let the DVDs be released without saying a word (thereby allowing the LucasFilm / Newscorp publicity and promotions juggernaut to make the release a commercial success) and THEN try to gain support for an argument for a more satisfactory release?
HD-DVD costs less to manufacturers too. It takes relatively little time and resources to convert from producing SD-DVD to HD-DVD, as you can alter the existing hardware. Blu-ray requires completely new hardware. HD-DVD discs are more than adequate for high definition home cinema.
Am I right that Microsoft came out on the HD-DVD side?
And since when did being the 'better' format EVER mean that it could win the war? It doesn't work like that. I still hear people shaking their heads and sorrowfully intoning: "Betamax was the better format, you know..."
I have to say I disagree with Mielr on the possibility of HD OOT releases - I don't think it'll make a bit of difference to future releases of the OOT if this one in September is a financial success. In fact, I think it would be more damaging. LucasFilm would be justified in thinking that everyone is perfectly happy with the 4:3 letterbox Laserdisc copy so why bother making an HD transfer?
I can remember scrutinising the bottom of the box-set in 2004 checking the copyright dates and protection dates to get some clue as to what versions were included. Because I saw no mention of 1977, 1980 or 1983 I didn't buy it.
I still haven't bought, or even seen, any later edits of episodes 4-6 than the 1997 SEs and I will not until a satisfactory release of the OOT is included.
Seeing the 'Rise Of The Cybermen' double-episode in the current series made me want to see 'The Tenth Planet' from the Hartnell years. I think the only episode I've ever seen with the first Doctor was the very first episode, screened on the 25th anniversary in 1988!
I like the new format but miss having stories played out over a few episodes, rather than over in one as it is now.