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You want to see the clip? Donate a couple pounds to help adywan finish ESB:R. It's not like you have to bankrupt yourself. If you can't right now, then skip past the discussion. I wish I could donate, but I'm helping my mom keep her house out of foreclosure, so money is very tight. But why shouldn't people discuss the clip just because we haven't gotten to see it? LOL

Lemonstein said:

 

Wow, shoot me for saying it, but can't people wait till Ady releases the finished movie before they start dissecting it. It's a bit unfair to start picking at it when you're not viewing it as a whole.

People have always dissected these clips when adywan posts them. It's part of the way things work on this thread. I think, like a professional, ady welcomes reactions of all kinds, or he wouldn't post the clips or engage in debate afterward. I've never seen him begrudge criticism, as long as it's not beating a dead horse, because such nitpicking and obsessive-compulsive geekery is what inspired such an awesome concept as fan-edits in the first place.

Besides, people want to dissect because there's a chance maybe that something noticed will have a positive impact on the finished product. In my experience, Ady seems to pretty thoughtfully consider all criticism, positive and negative. So, I wouldn't worry about a few people picking apart a clip. It's all in the interests of making the best Star Wars fanedit possible.

Granted, I haven't seen the finished clip, but I suspect this is a case of knowing that it's a still image effecting the way you watch the scene. If you didn't know, it would just look like the Emperor is sitting very still, and that is kind of creepy in its own right, isn't it?

Jedi Dark Knight said:

I gotta fight now against all this to still enjoy the movie! hahaha. 

At least until ESB:R comes out and all of those little goofs are fixed!

Although it's not central to the plot, I do think that a new star forming makes a nice thematic link. Whenever you watch a movie, don't just think about the plot and the characters, but also how the composition and subject matter of each camera shot communicates the mood and themes of the story. A good director will pack each frame with visuals that are relevant not just dramatically but thematically as well.

What Plans? said:

Even if the starfields were similar, that could easily be explained as stars which are too distant to change position in the sky.

The one background which had always royally pissed me off, even as a kid, is the final scene of ESB when Luke and Leia are looking at the distant galaxy.  That galaxy is huge in the sky, but even so, it would still be at LEAST a few MILLION light years away.  Which means that it should have been visible in every single starfield in the entire Star Wars saga.  There would not be a single place in the galaxy that you could go without seeing it in the sky.  Just like, even if Earth got moved to the other end of the Milky Way, much of the night sky would actually remain the same because of the light coming from stars in galaxies outside of our own.

There has already been pages of debate about this. Without starting another debate, I'll say that adywan has decided that is an accretion disc forming around a new star. So, they are still inside the galaxy, positioned just above the orbital plane of a newly-forming solar system. I agree that this makes the most sense.

Awesome mockups savmagoett and Monroville! That right there is an example of this thread at its best.

I think ady is going to try to do all of the above and more with this shot, in proper perspective and everything. (fingers crossed) We know he wants to use that matte. And I, for one, would love to see that level of activity in the background. Between adywan and the 2nd unit, they could easily pull it off.

The best way to respond to vbangle is not to respond at all.

I swear, some of you must skip over every post begging you to stop getting so off topic. I'm sadly unsubscribing from this thread right now because I'm tired of getting emails only to find comments like the four above mine.

It's really damn annoying.

Best of luck adywan and my warmest wishes, and I'll donate when I get a few more paychecks in my account.

The best way to rest your case is to just drop it. Seriously. Let it go.

Adywan, I can't tell you how much I admire you. Your attitude is remarkable.

Having been very much in your shoes with my own father, I hope for peace, laughter, and strength for you and your family.

Radi0n said:

Adywan, I was watching your final ESB:R trailer again, and I noticed that around 0:51-0:52, when Luke spots the snowspeeder, his head/neck movement seems much too jarring. Did you notice that, and fix it?

It was supposed to be a fix already, but it seems much to stuttering now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPtwBQpDl08&feature=related

You must be watching it in 720p and it's dropping frames to keep sync with the audio. Try watching it in 360p and you'll see his head turns perfectly smoothly.

DarthXenu said:

Note: At the speed of light. To travel any distance takes NO time at all. This is a consequence of special relativity. The universe in the direction of travel is lorentz contracted to a length of zero. Therefore you can traverse this distance in no time. Another way to look at it is that to people observing the craft from outside, time is lorentz slowed to the point at which it stops on board the ship. To those people the ship will appear to be travelling a vast distance at the speed of light. But if they could look at the pilots watch they would see that it had stopped. 

So to travel 1000 light years at the speed of light. The journey for the occupants of the ship will be instantaneous (plus some time for acceleration and deceleration). For those watching from mission control it will take exactly 1000 years (plus the time to accelerate and decelerate). 

So if (big if) we ever manage to develop light speed travel, mankind can explore the universe not just our local galaxy. However when they get back the earth will probably have been destroyed by the sun going nova. Time will pass at the normal rate for those left on earth.

 

Yes, sorry, that's what I get for trying to explain FTL travel after a long day of work. The time would be theoretically instantaneous for those inside the ship (ignoring the fact that they would've reached infinite mass), but for everyone else, like those waving goodbye to you or waiting for you on the other side of the galaxy, it would take so long as to be pointless.

You're right that Star Wars cannot be explained with realworld physics, that it proposes a stable space outside spacetime called Hyperspace, and that this space has dimension and objects within it have mass. Hyperspace is about as real as Middle Earth, but I just thought it might help some people here if they visualized just how much distance is being traversed by characters in space sagas like this. I mean, Star Wars starts with "... in a galaxy far, far away." I think Lucas recognized that even highly-advanced civilizations weren't likely to leave their own galaxy.

As a lifelong fan of astrophysics, and having contemplated the vastness of space quite a lot, I think it's entirely unlikely that that is a galaxy at the end of ESB. I understand that Star Wars rarely, if ever, obeys the laws of physics, so this is just for the sake of providing some insight and I think adywan is thinking along the same lines, so maybe this avoids him having to elaborate.

I've often felt that only the worst space fiction treats galaxies like countries or planets one can easily hop between. For all intents and purposes, this galaxy we live in IS the universe. Even after we achieve faster-than-light travel, we will likely never leave our galaxy. Even at 100 times the speed of light, it would take 1,000 years to cross the Milky Way. Talking about the distance between galaxies, even at 1 million times the speed of light, it would take 2 full year to get to the nearest galaxy.

It is simply unlikely, even with the most advanced technology one can dream of, even with wormholes, that lifeforms are capable of leaving their own galaxy.

haraldo23 said:

I just couldn't find a better place to ask this.

Private message.

If she doesn't put that bag down, she's going to end up looking like

Jaitea said:

Ha Ha I've re-started it...........sorry guys!!

J

And I stepped RIGHT in it! :D

Actually this was Needa's shuttle.

Handzzz said:

 

It's a bit off topic, or maybe not.

No, it definitely is. ;-)

It's staying in, euroherbal. In fact, ady recolored the guy's uniform. It's an actual set, by the way. Not CGI.

Do we really need visual confirmation? He obviously makes it back. I think this falls into the "modern movies hold your hand too much" category.

"p" stands for progressive and "i" stands for interlaced. 1080i is only used for broadcast television, as far as I know. If Ady is using a Blu-Ray source, than it will be 1080p. Hope that helps. :)

Mithrandir said:

The dome stuff, it was an idea that come out to me, and since I had the screenshot at hand, I posted it.

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Maybe it'd be a radical change, radical enough to reject it, but it'd make a point to introduce it if it adds something, don't you think so?

 

Yes, but I think it's a good idea for all of us to think critically about what we want to suggest before we suggest it. If it's fixing a continuity error or goof, that's one thing. But if we're suggesting a change of some kind, it's worth being certain that it falls within Adywan's very clear concept before we post something that may spark two pages of off-topic posts. With nearly 20,000 posts in this thread, I think it's unfair to Adywan, who has to read through all of it, to say "I know this goes against your philosophy, but I'll share it anyway." Many, many times Ady has said he's not adding PT elements to ESB:R. No offense, but you haven't really suggested anything that "adds something" that ESB lacks.

Mithrandir said:

I'm just saying that not all what's been introduced in the PT is useless or stupid, neither bad. Nor even for Adywan, whose "point of view is that PT should be the one who gets near the OT".

I didn't ever say that anything from the PT should be introduced just because it's on the PT. I just said that some stuff, if it fits properly and adds something to the story, could be considered. Just as it happened with the burn marks

Well, I don't understand adding the dome on the bottom of the SD. How would that change, made for the PT, add anything to the OT? If anything, that dome will be removed from the PT.

Mithrandir said:

Sorry for the mistake. I'm not american. Actually english isn't my native language. I was referring to what you call "sabre burn marks", we haven't known those till PT

Ady didn't add those because they were in the PT. He added scorch marks because that is how the physics of light sabers work.