arabian

Would it be possible to add scenes of Kleya, Willmon or Vel anywhere?

amobex said:

arabian said:

Sigh. So, Ben dies in this one too. Ah well.

Still looks good.

One of these days I hope to circle back to an alternate cut where Ben survives. Once Destiny of a Jedi is released I’ll need to do the same 4K HDR treatment for my edit of The Last Jedi titled “March of the First Order.” I’m not the fastest editor but I’ll get there eventually. (Probably)

Well, that’s very lovely to hear. I did personally love TLJ though.

I am still looking forward to this one now though.

Sigh. So, Ben dies in this one too. Ah well.

Still looks good.

I’m hoping for more with Ventress as well, and seeing Dark Disciple would be great.

However, were they to do something like that, this would work even better. Having her Clone Wars arc made into a SW movie for her.

Plus, potential brainstorming ideas for other arcs.

Satine’s story.

Order 66 - Master Sifo-Dyas.

Mortis.

Ahsoka and the Martinez sisters – I know not the best arc, but cut down into a movie, it could be really good.

While watching the Ventress episodes of ‘Tales of the Underworld,’ I was thinking how cool it would be to extrapolate her scenes/arcs from ‘The Clone Wars’ and ‘The Bad Batch’ with this to make a ‘VENTRESS: A STAR WARS STORY’ movie.

That got me thinking about other possible ‘BLANK: A STAR WARS MOVIE’ subjects that could be derived from these sources.

mikebailey15 did something like this with the siege of Mandalore/end of the war/Order 66 in his ‘Shattered Prophecy.’ He used TCW, Tales of the Jedi, and Battle of the Heroes animation: https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Star-Wars-Shattered-Prophecy/id/127287/page/1#1644546

So, I was thinking maybe we could use this thread to brainstorm ideas on various SW movies that could be extrapolated from TCW with additional scenes from ‘Tales Of…’ and ‘The Bad Batch,’ as well as any future animation in the same style.

Sounds interesting. I’d like to see this pls.

Pls share dm. I’m always looking for how to do the crawl and once I get my computer up and running, DaVinci is what I have. TIA.

I don’t know where these mixed reviews you’re seeing are. Andor has come back to near universal praise. This just confuses me.

Would love to see this. It sounds like something I’m envisioning for TCW as well.

smudger9 said:

arabian said:

I originally thought the Yavin IV stuff needed to go as well but after reading some commentary and THEN the reveal that it’s YAVIN IV, I disagree. Yes, trim the bejezus out of it BIG TIME, but keeping some of it is a necessity. And here is why.

1. We see the origin of Yavin IV as a rebel base. That is HUGE.

2. The back and forth between the squabbling, disorganized rebels in the dangerous, dirty jungle who were infighting, had no food, were fractured and barely had a clue contrasted with the board meeting of the imperials was stark. They were clean, well dressed, well fed with drinks and canapés. They were organized, working together, and casually discussing decimating an entire planet.

Cutting the Yavin IV story is cutting that brilliant juxtaposition of why the Empire is winning right now and the rebels are not. Again, trim the heck out of it, but keep the core of it. It IS important.

For now there isn’t enough there for me to keep it. That may change with the next arc. I don’t feel seeing the origin of the Yavin base is that big a deal, we’ve survived since 1977 without it. I agree on the Juxtaposition with the Empire, but by removing the Yavin scenes you get an alternative Juxtaposition between the comfortable lives of those that comply with the Empire and the tough, dangerous lives led by those that oppose it.

You see the comfy lives, but you don’t see the fractured infighting of the rebels and how they don’t work together. Saw and Luthen have this very conversation in S1. This is seeing that play out. And we are seeing how the rebellion is fractured before coming together. Trim it heavily, yes, but this stuff is important.

I originally thought the Yavin IV stuff needed to go as well but after reading some commentary and THEN the reveal that it’s YAVIN IV, I disagree. Yes, trim the bejezus out of it BIG TIME, but keeping some of it is a necessity. And here is why.

1. We see the origin of Yavin IV as a rebel base. That is HUGE.

2. The back and forth between the squabbling, disorganized rebels in the dangerous, dirty jungle who were infighting, had no food, were fractured and barely had a clue contrasted with the board meeting of the imperials was stark. They were clean, well dressed, well fed with drinks and canapés. They were organized, working together, and casually discussing decimating an entire planet.

Cutting the Yavin IV story is cutting that brilliant juxtaposition of why the Empire is winning right now and the rebels are not. Again, trim the heck out of it, but keep the core of it. It IS important.

Darth Raditz said:

I’ve been lurking around Jar Jar Bricks’ edit of the TROS novel, & I like their notion of adding Anakin in more as a means to make the ST feel more connected to the idea of I-VI being about The Tragedy of Darth Vader. While they said it can only be done with the novelization, I think there are ways of accomplishing this in the movie

-When Kylo arrives on Exegol, instead of Palpatine, he encounters a Vision of Vader, using the Fan Film Force of Darkness as a basis. However, you redub over Vader, making him sound more like either Hayden Christensen or Matt Lanter, & recolor his lightsaber from red to blue. It gives agency to Anakin, it makes an intriguing image to see Vader with blue lightsaber & therefore allows a glimpse into Kylo’s psyche at the time.

-When Kylo places his hand on mask, trying to speak to Vader, he’ll get visions of Anakin from the PT trying & failing to be a good person, suffering, until we see child Anakin walking away with Qui-Gon, only recut/recolored so that Anakin is looking disapprovingly at Kylo. You can also recolor shots of Kylo on Crait to better sell the idea that Kylo and Anakin are looking at each other.

-Lastly, after Han’s memory convinces Kylo to turn back to the light, as Kylo throws his lightsaber away, we cut back to Han who is slowly morphin into Anakin’s Force Ghost. This is Anakin giving Kylo the last push he needs to go help Rey. Even if Kylo doesn’t know why he saw his father, it’s effective.

I love this idea! The combining of two of the four main male figures in Kylo/Ben’s life in this way is brilliant. And I love how this essentially shows him that it was Anakin he should have emulated, not Vader.

And then, yes, yes, yes!! The Han becoming Anakin’s force ghost is brilliant for two reasons. Firstly, it explains how Han, a non-Jedi was there, and secondly, it shows that Anakin, his grandfather, understands Ben truly and what he needed truly to see the light.

NeverarGreat said:

I was just thinking about this movie again for some reason and had some ideas.

One of the biggest issues with the structure of the film IMO is that Rey goes to Palpatine after getting a pep-talk with Luke. Before this meeting, Rey feels like she’s on a dark path, but after this there’s no chance that she will take Palpatine up on any offer. Now, I’d already considered just deleting the Luke ghost meeting since it’s so worthless and actively deflates the stakes, but that would have resulted in too many continuity problems. So what if instead of Rey going to meet Luke, it is Kylo?

Imagine: After Kylo has his talk with Han and throws away his lightsaber, he takes an advanced TIE Interceptor from the Death Star wreckage to Luke’s island, where he intends to stay and atone for his sins in isolation. He burns his ship and stands there before it. Just use Rey standing in front of the burning ship and replace it with an image of Kylo from behind. Then we can have Luke’s voice appear to him, saying ‘Ben.’ Then Ben can say ‘She’s gone.’

Cut to Poe beside Leia’s bed wondering how she was able to win, and Lando telling him that they had each other.

The music of that scene segues into a scene in Luke’s hut, where Ben pulls the rock out of the wall and reveals Leia’s saber. Luke tells him about his mother and how she believed that someone would complete her journey. Ben, off screen, says how he’s not worthy to wield it, and that he doesn’t have what it takes. Luke replies that he has everything he needs.

We next combine the scenes of D-O and of R2 getting a strange message from an old X-wing. Finn and Poe assume that this is Rey leading them to Exegol, but in fact it’s Ben in the X-wing.

Cut any shot of Rey in the X-wing, replacing them with shots of Kylo’s TIE fighter from the first scenes of the film when necessary. Rey arrives believing herself unworthy of the mission, ready only to take her revenge on Palpatine.

Palpatine says that Rey wants to kill him, and asks her ‘As a Jedi?’ She says yes, and he says 'No…your hatred…your anger…you want to kill me." And then in his mind, he continues “…That is what I want.” This unspoken thought echoes in Ben’s head as he races into the temple. Palpatine says to Rey “Kill me…” Then to Ben: “…and my spirit will pass into her. As all the Sith live in me…” then to Rey: “You will be Empress…” and then Ben hears in his head “…we will be one.”

Then later, to Rey, he says: “She will strike me down…” Then to Ben “…and pledge herself as a Sith.”

Palpatine is doing this gloating as a way of telling Ben that he has won, thinking that there is nothing Ben can do to stop him. But he doesn’t reckon with Ben and Rey’s connection in the Force.

In the scene where Ben fights the Knights of Ren, we see in one shot that he has Leia’s lightsaber on his belt but he doesn’t use it. He refuses to use Leia’s weapon, still believing that he is unworthy of it. Then he connects with Rey and together they agree to swap sabers. Rey drops Luke’s saber behind her back and Ben pulls it across space like in the film, then we see Leia’s saber already in Rey’s hand as she fights off the guards.

Then when Rey leaves Exegol at the end of the film, she’s in Luke’s X-wing for the first time.

Anyway, that’s quite a bit of work, but considering what we’re able to accomplish these days with editing, I don’t think it’s an impossible task by any means.

If possible, this is a fantastic idea. Just fantastic.

This sounds fascinating. Can you post some clips?

I own VHS, DVD, blu-rays and have a Disney+ subscription. Pls pm me.

I overall agree with this. My only changes would be:

TFA: Cut down some of the ratthar (sp?) attack.

TLJ: Cut Leia slapping Poe. If their genders were changed in ANY way, the slap would never happen.

Also, split some of the Canto Bight scenes in between the other set pieces instead of it happening in one long block. That gives it time to breathe, and integrates it with the rest of the action, as opposed to seeming like an outlier.

But the I hate sand line is important. It’s not about sand itself, it’s about him hating Tatooine, hating that he was a slave, that his mother–as far as he knows, is still a slave. The line has such a deeper meaning.

I would like a link, pls. Thank you.

Could I get a link to this, please!

This sounds very intriguing! I’d love to see this.

So excited for this. I really liked The Acolyte too, and have enjoyed your edits before, so I’m looking forward to this. So happy to see you’re just doing an edit, and not fix-it.

EddieDean said:

Must be something in the water. A further refinement:

The Galactic Republic’s golden
age is ending. As corruption
grows, Queen Amidala of Naboo
fights to defend democracy.

In a show of force, the greedy
Trade Federation has sent a
deadly war fleet to surround
her planet. While the Senate
debates endlessly, the Supreme
Chancellor urgently directs the
Jedi Order, mystical guardians
of peace and justice, to help.

Sensing a darker cause behind
this crisis, the Jedi dispatch
wise Master Qui-Gon Jinn and
his young apprentice to protect
the Queen and her people…

I like this, but I agree with @Mrebo that the first line doesn’t sound like a Star Wars crawl, it’s not present enough. I made a few small changes, going through all 3, and adding some of my own ideas. 88 words.

The waning golden age of the GALACTIC REPUBLIC faces exploitation by rogue opportunists. As corruption spreads, Queen Amidala of Naboo demands justice when the greedy Trade Federation traps her peaceful planet behind a blockade.

While the Republic Senate is mired in endless debate, the SUPREME CHANCELLOR chooses a secret path of his own, directing the Jedi Order, mystical guardians of peace and justice, to intervene.

Sensing a darker presence at hand, the Order dispatches Jedi Knight QUI-GON JINN and his apprentice to aid the Queen and her people…

I wanted to add something at the end like, “and uncover a possible threat to the galaxy…” but I couldn’t find anything else to cut, and I thought that might be too much anyway.

smudger9 said:

Well, after an excellent opening this season really did limp along with the finale being a bit of a disappointment. I really don’t think there is enough plot to warrant 2 films.

Spoilers Ahead

Omega’s M-count sub plot and faux Jedi training with Ventress went absolutely nowhere and Rex and his clones didn’t appear either, so most of the mid season is meaningless. Fennec, Bane, Ventress and the Teth arc aren’t needed at all.

It may be a challenge to bring this in under 3 hours, but the structure will be:

Act 1:
Omega and Crosshair escape and are reunited with Wrecker and Hunter.

Act 2: Crosshair and the batch settle their differences. The Empire ambushed the Batch on Pabu and Omega sacrifices herself. The Batch free Rampart from the Imperial camp.

Act 3:
The Batch find a way to Tantiss and then the finale.

I had already structured act 1 and it clocks in at just over 50mins. Act 2 is the narrative challenge but I’m almost there with that. Act 3 will be the challenge from a time point of view. The middle act has a lot of ground to cover, so will have to be faster paced than I would like. Annoyingly the return to the Outpost could be cut from a plot perspective, but it is crucial to the Batch mending their relationship with crosshair

I’ll get cracking tonight.

I disagree that the Ventress/faux-Jedi training was meaningless. It accomplished two important things. One plot wise, and one character wise.

1. With this long gestating possibility that Omega might be super Force sensitive because of her high M count, we needed an answer. The Jedi training gave us the first huge piece of the puzzle that no, a clone may have the high m count, but it doesn’t make them Force sensitive. So, that answered a pretty significant question. (And used the incredibly awesome Ventress to do so, which brings us to… )

2. You mention the batch mending their relationship with Crosshair, the use of Ventress was part of THIS arc. Ventress did awful, terrible things, yet she came there, she stayed behind to help Omega. She could have easily killed those three without breaking a sweat but she didn’t. Because she had changed. Just like… Crosshair. IOW, people can change, people can reform. And the three working together to protect Omega from someone bad, and then realizing together that she was a changed person was a huge step in the mending of their overall relationship.

I also found the finale really strong, and a great ending to the show. I still maintain that beginning an edit before a show/season is done is not always the way to go because a general framing starts building up of how it will play out. If the season/show goes in a different direction, there is inevitable disappointment. I don’t think that’s fair to the show. (Shrugs) that’s just my opinion, though. I know it’s become more the norm to do it this way. Anyway, I do think you’re a brilliant editor.

OK, just one quick thought. I like most of what you guys have here, but I was struck by something. Why does Kylo say: “in the forest?”

Kylo knows that when they first fought it was in the forest. Rey knows it was in the forest. Everyone watching this knows their first fight was in the forest. So, why that clarification? It sounds very clunky and unnecessary.

Everything else is really good.

Jar Jar Bricks said:

A lot of that would work great in a novelization! The trouble is we have to choose our words very carefully due to space limitations. I’ll dig into some of the rewordings you have there to see if I can change some things around.

For example, I absolutely LOVE the idea of “But we can make our own fate.” Definitely replacing “But you and I don’t want it” with that.

I did try and look at how long the wording was in the original to match what you guys already had. I really love what you’ve come up with; I just want to help in any way I can (like I said: writer!) so if I can play around with you guys some more on this, I’m more than happy too. I can’t stress enough how much I am LOVING how this could fix TROS for me.

I’ve been reading this thread with tons of interest and as I said pages and pages ago the idea of Rey being like Anakin is the first one that has me OK with Ben Solo dying in the end. I fancy myself a writer (haha!) so I decided to take a stab at that dialogue you’ve all been working on blending the ideas. I used what was here as a template and then just went with it, striving for the goals intended here: Tying up the trilogies together and bringing this whole thing together.

“I pushed you in the desert because I needed to see. You needed to see who you are. The dark side is your birthright, Rey…”

“You’re lying.”

“I’d never lie to you. Your parents were no one. Junk traders who were nothing, knew nothing. You were an impossible child just like my grandfather.”

“Don’t!”

“There was no father, yet you were born…”

“I don’t want this!”

“Just like Vader.”

“No!”

“You’ve seen it, haven’t you? Your destiny?”

(Rey sees vision)

“Luke saw the same in me. But you and I, we reject that fate. We’ll make our own.”

“Stop talking.”

“Why? I know you better than anyone.”

(Cutaway to heroes capture)

"The Force showed me a girl before we met. It was you. In the forest when we fought, the power inside of you awoke. I saw it in your eyes. Rey, you revealed yourself not only to me, but to Palpatine… just as he’d intended.

(Visions of Rey & Kylo on Starkiller - their eyes meeting when she gained her strength and pushed him back, falling into the dark cave, etc.)

“No!”

(Pedestal shatters, Vader mask falls)

“So that’s where you are. Before you chose the Jedi, Palpatine wanted you alive.”

“No…”

“I’ll come tell you why.”

“Rey, I know the rest of your story.”

“Tell me.”

"Palpatine used the Force to create life itself. First with my grandfather and then with you. He’s been in my head my whole life, guiding me, leading me towards my destiny. But Vader had failed him and so might I, so there was you, without the tainted Skywalker blood. Rey, you are his vessel, the one he chose to bear his mantle, his power, his name.

“Palpatine wants a battle between us two so that his most worthy heir can claim his throne and he can witness the defeat of the last Skywalker. But he doesn’t realize the strength of our connection, Rey… a bond, not of blood, but of raw power in the Force. We can end him and the Sith, and create a new order, together.”

I thought tying in that Palpatine has been in his head all along added strength to what Kylo was saying. Also, Kylo feels that he and Rey are stronger than Palpatine so him not referring to him as the Emperor diminishes him. The reference to the “last Skywalker” adds a bittersweetness to Ben’s death (the bitter) but Rey taking on the name Skywalker (the sweet).

Using that moment on Starkiller in their battle when Rey realizes her power and Kylo realizes it too, I think, brings it home. Not his defeat, but THE awakening.

Anyway, just another stab at it.

I am sorry, I have no idea how to do the expand!