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#218435
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Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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Alright, Trooperman - I finally read through this thread.

To everyone who blithely tells people, "Read through the thread" - it takes forever; that's why people ask.

Anyway, I took notes as I was going along.

A general suggestion I have for your edits would be to view ChefElf's 64 reasons to hate "Attack of the Clones" (http://www.chefelf.com/starwars/ep2.php) if you've not already. You've likely seen it already, but just in case, it does offer a wide range of critiques (many of which you've already addressed). He has similar complaints about the whole saga.

First off, I think the re-editing of the existing material that you have proposed is great. Things that really stand out to me are:
- the "fixing" of the decision on whether or not to go to Geonosis
- the romance adjustments
- the "in that case be extra careful" line
- the George Lucas line inserted
- the funeral
- Yoda's language

Lines/scenes I would like to see taken out (if they aren't already):
- "Jedi Poodoo"
- "stay away from power couplings" and the harmless shock
- the "nest of gundarks" crap and the uncomfortable laugh afterward
- Elan Slezzebaggano and his death sticks
- the Tusken raider "Ort! Orttt!" from ROTS when Palpatine mentions Anakin's mother
- "We don't serve droids?" (why not? you're a droid!)

Lines I would like to stay in (if possible):
- "You'll be the death of me."
- "Shut me down." (3P0 when he sees the factory - I know you've taken out the droid factory nonsense, with good reason, but that line cracks me up and seem very in character for 3PO - it would be great to fit somewhere into your PT)

Things I am concerned about:
- "Also Sprach Zarathustra" to open the Obi/Anakin/Dooku duel?
- German for alien language (a lot of people know German - it's also pretty recognizable, even to people who can't understand it)
- heavy reliance on non-SW films/soundtracks for music
- your voice (sorry - in the end, it is going to be the maker or breaker for this project)
- I know it's awful to say this, but that test clip of Dune shots for the Clone War Battle reminded me of Turkish Star Wars - they looked like two different movies, put together, and I think I would have thought that even if I had not seen Dune. Besides, how do you reconcile the difference in armor between the Clonetroopers shown earlier and the samurai-dervish outfits from Dune? Where are they battle droids? The ships from Dune don't look like any of the vehicles on the map in the war room. I don't know, I just didn't dig it.

Questions:
- Will Owen be Anakin's brother-in-law?
- As far as the Kaminoans, is there any reason you can't have one speaking in an alien language and the other speaking English? You wrote way back that you really like the existing dialogue for one of them.
- Did you take out the Geonosian's "Hyah!" when he whips the animal drawing Anakin and Padme's cart into the arena? My wife and I got a big kick out of that the other day, because of how anti-romantic it is following their "touching" scene, but at the same time, it works as a serious addition because of how brutal it is.
- Why was Padme missing her mid-riff, anyway?
- What percentage complete is this project?
- You say you like MagnoliaFan's Episode I. If you do your own, will you keep the Kaiber Crystal sub-plot in?
- Your early lightsaber work - it looked bad in still frames, but how did it look in motion?

Granted, I have not seen anything near the finished product, so this is all preliminary judgement and not a fair trial of your work. Your choices are daring, so they will be great if they work, but - honestly - they will be awful if they don't. Is there any way you can repost any clips with your voice acting, or the German?

Please don't take any personal offense to my comments. So far, you've encouraged discourse and criticism on your ideas, and I hope you take my ideas as the suggestions/concerns they are, not attacks. A project this big and time-consuming, I would like to see done right. (Was that a Yoda line?)

I know "right" is my opinion, but I think a lot of people share an idea of what is "right," otherwise we wouldn't be wasting time with PT edits. Other than my concerns, I think this project looks and sounds great, and I look forward to seeing the finished product.
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#218193
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Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/218193/action/topic#218193
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Trooperman,

If you were going to recolor Dooku's blade, why not use the yellow one from MagnoliaFan's "The Clone War?" I thought it looked great, and it also made Dooku more ambiguous. The film as a whole seems to work better if Dooku is less Sith and more of a rogue Jedi.

As for blade colors, there ought to be a wide spectrum - orange and yellow definitely, in addition to green, blue, red, purple.
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#217967
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For newies: What to watch first?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/217967/action/topic#217967
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Originally posted by: sunday256
Okay, so I'm new here (but not new to Star Wars, fan films, etc) but I'm kind of up in the air as to what to watch next.

So far I've seen Building Empire, Deleted Magic, Return of the Ewok and the Holiday Special. What do you think should be next on my agenda? Or if you had to come up with a top 10 things you have to see from this particular thread, what would they be?

I'd just like to make sure I'm investing my time wisely.


Here are my suggestions:

- MagnoliaFan's Episode I - Balance of the Force (ADigitalMan's PG Remix)
- The EditDroid OT Collection (SW, ESB, ROTJ)
- The Ultimate Supplemental Collection (4 disc set made by Rowman)

And promising things on the horizon:

- Returning To Jedi
- Episode II - Shroud Of The Dark Side

Just my opinions.
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#217513
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Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/217513/action/topic#217513
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Originally posted by: musicman
Man, I'm gonna have to disagree and say I really enjoyed the asteroid field. It was one sequence where it really felt like Star Wars to me, particularly. And I thought the seismic charges were really cool.


I concur - there are like, what, about 2 space fights in the PT? (There are more, but not enough - the PT is more like Boring Green Planet Wars than Star Wars.)
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#217492
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The Official Lucasfilm Response
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/217492/action/topic#217492
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Originally posted by: Invader Jenny
I agree completely mverta. That is how it was taught to us in my Film Theory class. My prof is a huge Star Wars fan and we had a whole segment devoted to the "space opera / space western" genre where Star Wars was the main event. She can't stand what Lucas has done to the films (she must be pretty excited about the September release).

Han was a cowboy. He dealed smuggling drugs (Star Wars calls it "spices") and other illegal paraphanalia. He lived in a rough and tumble world where he would be shot dead if someone was given the chance. He knew that and blasted away Greedo. It is of no consequence to him. Better safe than sorry.

And like you said, if anything was done in cold blood, he redeemed himself during ESB. Lucas is just an idiot. We know his films better than he does.


Yeah - you know, something that people rarely talk about anymore in regards to the whole Han Shooting First thing is its relation to his last minute help in the Death Star attack.

If Han isn't such a self-serving jerk at the beginning, reinforced by the morality (or lack thereof) of him shooting first under a table, his return to save Luke at the end of the movie is lessened.

The first time you saw the movie, you probably thought he was gone for good; he got his money for saving the princess, so he was done. With the softening of his character in recent years, that change that makes him come back matter less, or is less obvious.

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#216799
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Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/216799/action/topic#216799
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Originally posted by: Trooperman

Thanks, Andy. For the person who doesn't know of the changes in advance, I was thinking more of someone like Moth3r, or Zion, or Jay, or someone else that doesn't have any clue about what I'm doing. Send it to them with a message like, "This is my first attempt at an Star Wars edit. Hope you like it." And let them discover it for themselves and give me a report on what it was like to take it all in with no prior knowledge of what was coming.


Sniff-sniff.

Just kidding. I'll just wait like everyone else. Fair enough.

Good luck with getting all the Niemodians' voices cleared away.

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#216546
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<strong>The &quot;EditDroid&quot; Trilogy DVD Info and Feedback Thread</strong> (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/216546/action/topic#216546
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Originally posted by: Gillean
Originally posted by: andy_k_250
Hey Gillean - could you still upload the DVD-ROM content for me sometime?


Done.

I've got the official content for ANH (second version with alternate crawls) and ROTJ; and the official JACKET_P and unofficial content created by The Starkiller for ESB. The ESB disc never featured any DVD-ROM content, the ROTJ disc was the first one to have it.


Thank you so much - I really appreciate it.
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#216319
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ORIGINAL STAR WARS TRILOGY OUT 09/2006 BY LUCASFILM
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/216319/action/topic#216319
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Originally posted by: ZottigThis is the last time we're going to get a shot at these.

Lucas has created a wonderful catch 22. If they don't sell he gets to say, see nobody wanted the theatrical versions. If they do sell, he can say, I've already put it on DVD, now leave me alone.

Cunning

Ben


Lucas added that he's still working on his "Star Wars" 3-D theatrical project as well, but when asked when it might come out, he laughed. "I don't know!" he said. "Eventually. We're working on that technology, seeing if we can get that to work out."

Until then, he says he's curious to see what the reception will be for the upcoming limited-edition DVD release of the three original "Star Wars" films. "It's just the original versions, as they were," Lucas said. "We didn't do anything to it at all. But we're not sure how many people want that."

You might say quite a few, considering how many fans were angered by the digitized, expanded updates of episodes IV, V and VI. Lucas claims he's not re-releasing the originals to appease fans, but rather to bate them. "Now we'll find out whether they <i>really</i> wanted the original or whether they wanted the improved versions," he said. "It'll all come out in the end."

- from http://www.mtv.com/movies/news/articles/1531527/story.jhtml

That Catch 22 is for dang sure. I was mad at first, but now I think everyone needs to buy the September release just to prove how much demand there is for the OT. If no one buys this, there is absolutely zero chance a better release will come out further down the road. This could be just Lucas testing the waters for the potential. I say we all call Lucas bluff. Let's make this set sell better than the 2004 set.
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#216211
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Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/216211/action/topic#216211
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Originally posted by: Trooperman
I also have another idea once I do complete this movie- I want to do a quick single layer encode with no extras and send it to a couple folks with the highest interest in the project. A common editing phenomenon is that after you stare and analyze something you've done a million times, it starts looking good no matter what. This could be what happened with Grevious. After hearing it over and over and over, you start to get used to it. To an actual audience member, the voice sounds extremely stupid.

I want to pick a couple with great interest in the project, as well as one person that likes fan edits but hasn't heard of the changes in advance. I'd like these people to get me a written report as to what (if anything) was jarring in terms of editing, pacing, or dialogue. Then, I can implement any changes into the much more time-consuming dual-layer encode for general release. The first version could also hold over those of you who are losing sleep because this isn't in their DVD player yet (where are you, MTH?)

Sound good to you?

-TM


Hey Trooperman,

I just read on the forum that you are going to be doing a preview "screening" of "Shroud of the Dark Side" before doing your final copy.

Honestly, even though I'm a regular visitor here, I had not really looked at your project until today - I was convinced that there was not much that could be done with AOTC.

Seeing the last two or three pages of this thread, though, has shown me the degree of editing that you will be doing, and now I'm really interested. However, there are so many pages to this thread, I've not waded through enough to have much of an idea of what you are doing, except that it will be a major overhaul. In my opinion, AOTC is currently standing as the worst film in the saga, when you are counting "Balance of the Force" as Episode I, so you definitely have your work cut out for you, but more power to you.

I don't know which category that puts me in - someone with great interest in the project or just a person that likes fan edits but hasn't heard of the changes in advance - but I would be happy to help review if you think my position would be of value.