analog

jdryyz said:

I successfully extracted the main video and audio tracks that I desire. MKVExtract also appears to have generated a chapters list file, but how do I get this into tsmuxer or will chapter markers be lost in this process? There are only three options to choose and none of them involve importing the list file.

 

Harmy said:

Yeah, you'd need to use MKVExtract to demux the files from the MKV first and then mux in TS Muxer.

 

I had to manually enter from the extracted file...

If you save the project, you can paste this in the appropriate area. My file will not exactly match, or I'd just post that (due to file path differences...)

Note that I left some preceding / trailing info, so paste carefully ;)
Once set, reopen your project and it should include chapters!

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MUXOPT --no-pcr-on-video-pid --new-audio-pes --blu-ray --vbr  --custom-chapters=00:00:00.000;00:00:21.187999900;00:01:54.616999900;00:04:53.335000000;00:07:28.828000000;00:08:55.217000000;00:11:21.701000000;00:15:23.618000000;00:19:19.862000000;00:23:13.301977700;00:25:12.225000000;00:27:25.196000000;00:28:52.319000000;00:32:13.827000000;00:34:32.637000000;00:36:33.762000000;00:38:45.265000000;00:41:20.893000000;00:42:10.444000000;00:43:59.756000000;00:47:00.743000000;00:49:06.038000000;00:50:21.951000000;00:51:40.699000000;00:51:48.541000000;00:54:30.875000000;00:56:43.846000000;01:00:41.791000000;01:03:47.450000000;01:05:52.946000000;01:10:03.338000000;01:11:43.640977700;01:14:44.795000000;01:16:40.414000000;01:19:00.393000000;01:22:31.277000000;01:24:33.103000000;01:27:27.250000000;01:31:19.189000000;01:34:10.999000000;01:35:37.789000000;01:37:08.182000000;01:38:55.493000000;01:40:08.402000000;01:42:07.892000000;01:46:48.148000000;01:52:24.195000000;01:54:52.648000000;01:55:34.191000000;01:57:19.800000000 --vbv-len=500
V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC,

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stretch009 said:

Moth3r said:

poita said:

dblake83 said:

I have requested a myspleen invite many times over the years but never received one. So usenet will be my only hope and I know I'm not alone. I'm patient and sure it will show up over the next few weeks. Huge Thanks in advance to the future usenet poster.

It is currently upping to usenet.

Thanks - but which group? Can't see it in a.b.starwars.

I was wondering the same thing.  I also tried general usenet search engines but to no avail.

 

Do, or do not. There is no try.

In this case, it looks like someone followed that advice ;)

dblake83 said:

analog said: I was going to try this for kicks, just to see if it'd work, but get a "matroska parse error: invalid h264 NAL unit size. NAL unit truncated" error :(

Will wait for the "real deal" in any case... Just wanted to see if there was a quick way to burn for playback on a standalone player. Ah well.

 

The NAL error is due to header compression that newer versions of MKVtool kit thus mkvmerge now uses by default.

You simply need to remove it.

Here is how:  In mkvmerge, under options [file->options] on the mmg tab look for "Disable header removal compression for audio and video tracks by default" and check the box. Then in main window add your .mkv and "start muxing" it will be somewhat fast as in this case it will just be changing the header not really doing a mux

Here is the commandline method:

mkvmerge --compression 0:none --compression 1:none -o "path and file name of new .mkv aka output file" "path and file name of the mkv file to be processed aka imput file"

BTW: I use mkvmerge 4.70 besides it being rock solid stable, mkv's made from later versions will not fast forward >> or reverse properly << on my Blu-Ray player.

 

P.S. It's worth spending 1-2 hours to figure out how to use MultiAVCHD for the do-it-yourself menu. You'll be able to use the knowledge for future endevours. Of course, I had to limit the audio choices down to 6 due as that's all that will display, but it's great solution until an "official" one is available from Harmy and his helpers. 

 

Righto. Yeah, I went with a quick tsmuxer disc, just to mess with. Seemed good on ps3. Spent some time looking at multiavchd, specifically hunting for tweaks to the menu limit. It's likely possible with an avisynth tweak. Worth asking the author.

As for reasons this version is worthwhile, everyone has their reasons. I also like the team blu effort, for example, but this one is interesting in the results of the unique and determined results of so much extra effort. I have to say, 2.5 was quite enjoyable last night. 

...interesting article. Still don't think attention is anything to worry about. 

dark_jedi said:

You_Too said:

It'll be Star Wars first, then we will start working on ESB.

And to add A New Hope 97 SE will also go out at about the same time, we are going to do them both together, the original along with the 97 SE counterpart for all 3.

Very slick! Can't wait!! The 97SE will be interesting. Very curious how it'll look, since it was the first "cleaned up" version out there. Guess it's still kind of special to me since I saw them in theaters, and still have a VHS set of this edition.

Deleted the first 'bad' one.. extracting now, thanks! Will be neat to have a playable disc. Will be even better when we can get this menu business sorted out.

Popocatapetl said:

I created a working Blu-Ray from the MKV using tsMuxeR. It just remuxes all the streams and creates the Blu-Ray file structure.

If you can live without a custom menu, this is a great solution.

I was going to try this for kicks, just to see if it'd work, but get a "matroska parse error: invalid h264 NAL unit size. NAL unit truncated" error :(

Will wait for the "real deal" in any case... Just wanted to see if there was a quick way to burn for playback on a standalone player. Ah well.

dblake83 said:

Hello - with teh "'dox" folks possibly down for the count, hoping we can get this on usenet in the coming days or weeks.

Once again thanks to Harmy and all who assist.

Wow. That's a uh, bit of a letdown there. Still on the ol' spleen, but yeah, I think the other thing you mention is worth looking into.

As a fan of the DVD (v3) works, I'm very excited to see the blu take on things... Very cool stuff, and I hope it can be available soon :)
Between this and Harmy's work, it's great that the originals are preserved in such ways. To me, both matter, and I dig the approach both have taken. Cannot wait to check out these when they're out there. Will it be just Star Wars first, then ESB/ROTJ next, or will all 3 be pretty much simultaneous?

Cool. Indeed the DJ versions weren't perfect, I was just happy to have the DVDs at the time in proper anamorphic widescreen format. IIRC, there was a small amount of processing done to clean up jaggies etc., but it was otherwise relatively untouched GOUT as far as coloring or other major work.

...can't wait for the full set to be in 2.x territory... Also interested in the "project blu" stuff that DJ was doing. Need to hop over to that thread and see what the word is there... Would like to have both for posterity. I like what they've been able to accomplish, considering the source. I also consider it to be kind of "the best" form of GOUT possible, being that the actual original is not so great in its native form.

Harmy said:

analog said:

On the "versions" section - will this touch on the changes across all the home releases, such as some of the major changes on all of them? I think it'd be cool to have a quick rundown of some of the more "famous" and arguably rather stupid additions/changes.

From a relatively untouched VHS / Laserdisc era, to 97SE, to DVD, to BD, that'd be cool to see a quick breakdown.

I actually meant versions of the DeEd (v1.0, v2.0, v2.1, v2.5). What you talk about will be covered in the "changes" video.

One thing that'd be great to show on that would be a picture of the 2006 DVDs - something like opening it up, showing the 2nd disc thrown in there, then played on a widescreen to illustrate how sad it is that it's the only official release of the originals, in original form. I mean, yes, I'm glad to own them, but it's sad that they're only really barely worth watching on a CRT, which you can't even really buy anywhere anymore.

That's a great idea. Actually, my BD player doesn't even allow for the GOUT to be zoomed in, when I press the full screen button, it simply stretches it out and it doesn't zoom it, so the only way to watch it on my BD player is with black bars on all sides.

Ah, that makes sense! Yes, there are quite a few DeEd versions! And yes, I admit it, I downloaded all of them ;)

As for the GOUT DVDs, yeah, zooming them sucks no matter which way it is. I just think it'd be a good thing to at least mention, or show it somehow. Everyone was excited back when they were announced and thought they'd be great, only to realize that it wasn't even anamorphic. I think that release motivated a lot of folks, and probably at least some of what you eventually did here.

I know that, personally, I thought of doing exactly what DarkJedi did with the "v3" DVD set - at least cropping it to proper anamorphic, in order to make it look nicer on a widescreen.

I actually set out to start playing with my copies, and thought "I wonder if someone else already did this - resized/upscaled it properly for widescreen" - and sure enough, discovered that someone was way ahead of me! I was happy with the v3 effort, and quite excited to have it, until I ran across this project, somewhere around when I'd heard about the blu ray set coming out (and was again sad that they couldn't be bothered to even include an anamorphic upscaled version, even if it wasn't perfect..).

When I learned that the blu ray set had been changed *again* I was also even more disappointed. All the changes aside, still no other copy of the real original films. "This is madness," I thought, so I remembered this site, and was overwhelmed to find this project and all the amazing things you'd done.

As for menus, yeah, I am fine with an MKV for now, but will wait for the project / project files to be complete before I burn a thing..
I think separating will also make it much easier to publish, esp. now that I see how the main disc will only really need a menu to select audio. Very cool stuff!!!

Harmy said:

Actually, I am currently writing a script for a Despecialized Edition documentary, of which the Sources doc will be only a small part.

Here are the chapters I have in mind so far:

- "Introducing the Despecialized Edition"
What is the DeEd and why it was made.

- "Introducing the Versions"
What are all the different versions and what are the main differences between them. The resolution comparison will be a part of this when talking about resolution of PDE vs. DeEd - Why 720p and not 1080p.

- "Introducing the Sources"
This you've of course already seen - only the intro with the Ronto will probably be cut and put in front of the "Introducing the Despecialized Edition" doc and some parts will be shortened and the info moved to preceding chapters (like e.g. the flaws of the GOUT DVD will be explained in the first one.)

- "Introducing the changes"
How the changes were discovered (about 005's galleries) and examples of how they were dealt with - the old lightsabre clip and more.

- "Introducing the colors"
A bit about how the color correction was done.

- "Introducing the Soundtracks" Again, I'd dearly love to include this one but I cannot with clear conscience attempt to do it myself - I could do the video side of it, but not the audio side and the script of the narration, so if anyone can help me with it, I'd be very grateful - even if hairy_hen is busy, I bet someone else who understands audio could look into the threads and comments made by h_h and Belbucus and write a little script for me and tell me what sound clips to use to best illustrate the points. If anyone volunteers to do this, I'll send them the scripts I already completed, so they can get an idea of how to approach it.

Then there will be this comparison gallery in higher quality and then the same thing in movement as a 20 minute long video.

And I don't plan to put any non-DeEd related stuff on there, except maybe some trailers, which I will try to recreate in HD.

 

First, this sounds awesome! On the "versions" section - will this touch on the changes across all the home releases, such as some of the major changes on all of them? I think it'd be cool to have a quick rundown of some of the more "famous" and arguably rather stupid additions/changes.

From a relatively untouched VHS / Laserdisc era, to 97SE, to DVD, to BD, that'd be cool to see a quick breakdown.
One thing that'd be great to show on that would be a picture of the 2006 DVDs - something like opening it up, showing the 2nd disc thrown in there, then played on a widescreen to illustrate how sad it is that it's the only official release of the originals, in original form. I mean, yes, I'm glad to own them, but it's sad that they're only really barely worth watching on a CRT, which you can't even really buy anywhere anymore.

Regarding audio, man, I don't know. Being that I'm kind of an audio geek myself, and understand pretty well what he's done, I still don't know if I want to speak too much about this since I'd rather he have his shake at speaking to the things he did directly - which, BTW, is AWESOME for the 2.5 release. Some serious time and attention paid to making it very well done. Normalizing separate soundtracks to be at similar levels is no small task either. That had to have taken some serious time to get anywhere close to where it is now.

If nobody else wants to tackle this in the coming days, or if he can't, for whatever reason, I'd help. I could show some Pro Tools and/or Audition screenshots of a few differences to illustrate the levels being changed etc. Sum up the major points from previous threads. Could summarize some of the differences in these versions, but honestly, I would rather all this come from him directly - credit being due where credit is due and all that. Hairy_Hen's familiarity with all the details would also far exceed what any of us could speak to. If it did come down to mentioning all the things he's done, it'd have to be made very clear that he spent a great deal of time, and attention to detail on all of it.

Harmy said:

Harmy said:

Well, I'm gonna need a re-recording of the sources doc commentary first, so if one of you guys could please do that, that would be great!

 

Actually, scratch that for now! Since I'll be introducing the official releases ('04, '06 and BD) in the first documentary, I'm gonna have to re-write the sources doc. narration a bit.

And I like Mavimao's voice and he was the first one to volunteer, so unless he'd rather leave it to someone else, I'm going to give the "job" to him :-)

 

Sounds good!

Also, thank you again for the MKV! Will be great to see the "final" product with 2 discs. I think the "bonus" stuff will be fantastic, especially for others who may not understand all the little things that were done "behind the scenes" that went into everything.

Harmy said:

@chyron: It will be mainly the extras. With the BD being one movie file only, it shouldn't be too hard to author in MultiAVCHD and then I can author the extras BD with some other software, as it won't require multiple audio options. I see little point to releasing the BD without the accompanying bonus disc, so it will all depend on how fast I can get the extras done.

I'm gonna take my time with them however, now that v2.5 is out as an MKV, I don't see any point to rushing the BD out - that was the whole point of releasing the MKV in the first place (you may recall, that I originally wasn't going to do an MKV for v2.5).

In regard to this, I'm working on the scripts for the extras now and I realized that sometimes it would be better to step out of a simple narration, like the one I did in the Souces Doc, and talk in first person as myself. Now, it would sound silly if I was doing the narration and then started talking in first person as Harmy, bit like interviewing myself :-D So, is there anyone here, with a nicely modulated voice, who would like to volunteer to record the narration for my mini-docs?

Sure, sounds fun. I've got a decent setup to do this too..

chyron8472 said:

Yes, but the files are larger. Therefore, there are fewer files.

The total size is still 17.9GB.

 

Oh, and yeah. If anyone is wondering why I'm taking so long:

1) This is considerably larger than the AVCHD for v2.1.

2) I'm not at work. My internet at home is slower than at work. When Harmy announced he had uploaded it again, it was too close to the end of the workday to justify starting the download there.

If you're not sure about how to use JDownloader or can't make sense of what to do with the duplicates in the multiupload list, just wait until I put it on the spleen.

If you just want the thing now and are familiar enough with JDownloader, you don't offend me by not waiting.

I have a feeling others will jump into the spleen, ready to help seed, when the time comes.

Yeah, patience folks. Sheesh. ...Oh, and yes, freak shows are always worth sticking around for, at least for a little while.

Hmm, yes, confirmed weirdness at 45:37. VLC doesn't like it and just stops playing. Media Player (built in to Windows) doesn't seem to like it at all, but my codecs may be more out of date on this particular machine. Haven't tried on HTPC yet, or with MPC-HC.

I wonder if there was just a glitch in muxing the source, or if there was something else going on. Other than some minor changes to the video, it's not that different from 2.1, and then of course a boatload more "audio awesomesauce" muxed in to the final file.

In any case, no biggie - I guess we simply hold off on going any further until it's sorted.

I hope whoever put it up on a 'public' tracker can also take it back down until we are sure it's fixed.

Looks good! The special features being on a second disc sounds like a great idea. All for leaving the main presentation as good as can be! Not sure how quickly I'll be able to jump into the spleen land after release, but will be glad to stay up for a time once ready. Last time, I was the 2nd seeder, in case anyone wondered ;) Will try to continue that trend, but some serious life things happening so I'm not sure..

No matter what, this is some awesome stuff, and I hope the authoring process isn't too much of a headache. Very glad that the "raw material" is being made available "early" in this way, even though it will be cool to see the 'final' bit someday soon. Will be even more amazing to see the three in a row in this way!
As for anyone paying attention, it's a mashup / remix / amalgamation of things. The project should fall under fair use, and the relatively small number of people who even care in any way already own the "real thing" at least 3 times over from various formats. I would bet that 99.9% of all fans own at least one VHS set, at least one DVD set (hopefully the 2006 editions, as they were the only ones really worth buying, since they contained the "GOUT" transfer), the blu ray set, and probably a second VHS copy somewhere, or laserdiscs.
I think that as long as it stays relatively obscure, and as long as we play fair (owning the blu ray, as well as at least one other copy...), and aren't crazy about it, nobody will care. I'm sure we're all going to buy tickets to the next movies, no matter what they do, as well as buy the next box sets, no matter what they do, so in the big scheme of things, I doubt there's anything to worry about.

hairy_hen - sorry to hear about all the chaos in real life, that's always a bummer. Good to hear it's confirmed that the lossless stuff is lossless though ;)
...If you want any help getting said files to the internets, let me know via PM - I'd be glad to help in any way.

BuzziRules - fair enough. There will still be options - I'm sure someone could help you, or we just wait for the blu ray... It really is a very simple process to add audio, and it can be learned about and done in literally 5 minutes with a quick "click here, do this" type of guide, no brick walls involved ;)

Harmy - great to hear you're going for a set time for the mkv!!!!!! The authoring of a BD will be the "fun" part.. Even without audio ready, I'm hopeful you can figure out some kind of authoring that will work out the way we hope it will (especially without re-compression.. which has already been discussed quite a bit).

Haha, no, that'd be Harmy, unless you count yourself, as you can also adjust your TV/monitor however you like, or re-do whatever you want on your own ;) ...it's Harmy's project, and I think he's been very fair on taking constructive criticism on bits and pieces, and then even more fair on making some great changes.

Harmy said:

I just took this interesting color vision test and scored 16 (where 0=Perfect Color Acuity , 99=Low Color Acuity and the worst score ever in my gender and age group is 444445389). Not too bad, I think :-)

I may make the test compulsory for everyone wanting to engage in any future DeEd color correction discussion with me :-D ;-)

Lol, I did that a couple of years ago on a nice monitor and got it perfect.. Will have to give this another go on a proper monitor when I get a chance and see if I can still do it.

On the lossless note, yeah, for being complete and all, it'd be nice to wait, but it has indeed been a couple months now. Wasn't aware it was from a lossy source though, I wonder what more details exist on that..

In any case, it'd certainly be good to start on the full BD authoring instead of waiting on those files. At the very least, it'd be "ready" sooner, and getting it pieced together is the hardest part. Hell, if the MKV is ready, I'm sure we can easily get the "lossless" (now I question the losslessness of this! damn!) figured out. Anyone who cares enough about such a thing can take the 5 min. to do what they need. If it really came down to it, getting a "2.5 + Lossless" out there probably wouldn't hurt.

+1 for giving it however much longer and then going for it.. +2 for starting on authoring, as that's the bigger pain.

Speaking of disc labels, any word on cover art, Harmy? Wasn't sure if there was going to be a new one, or, at the very least, a quick fix on the "RD-D2" typo? ;)

yeah, turboboost might be an issue, and it can't hurt to try trying off, at last for a test render. Hopefully it defaults to a decent speed.

I'll second the matte around Obi-Wan being a tad blue, but I haven't compared to 1.0..

I think everyone else already hit on the other bits that I noticed on the 1st round (and then some, lol).

As for the rendering glitches, man, those are always a pain to troubleshoot.
One suggestion, is to watch CPU temps while it's rendering - something like coretemp. If it's even close to overheating, it could be an indicator of CPU simply processing bad data. Other possibilities - hard drive hitting weird sectors, RAM processing bad data (usually heat, or a weird glitch on the data bus), or who knows what else. ...I've had similar glitches in the past, related to all of the above.

If it's consistently doing it, might try copying the source material, as it'll write to new sectors. Definitely also do anything possible to reduce heat related issues. Keep airflow good, always be sure to use a good hard surface (laptop still, right?), maybe even try a "cooling pad" of some sort.

Holy smokes, I have missed a bit! Exciting to hear about further progress, and the 2.0's of the other two!!!
Happy belated b-day, Harmy!

Also cool to see some newsletter action - will pass this along to a couple folks who I think will be interested :) Thanks for putting that together!

This project has taken on new meaning for me.. I'm soon to be a father, and I am so glad that I won't have to resort to GOUT DVDs to my son someday. I'm hopeful that these will be THE version that get played for a good long time, and see no reason why they won't be. The "altered" ones, I just could not bear to show as being what Star Wars is about. There's just no way... so... on that note, I just have to say thank you again for your work, Harmy, and to all others here who've helped, and who've cheered this on, and everyone else who's contributed in any way.

Nice analogy with Casablanca.
The 2.1 is 100% worth it. Without question. The 1.0's of ESB and ROTJ are also still quite nice. Will be excellent to view on a TV of that size. When I had my 50" LCD hooked up, they looked excellent. Still need to sit down and make it through all 3 with my gf, lol. Not sure she's seen the originals, and we need to remedy that... Good luck!

I have to agree with the above.. the lower on the proverbial radar, the better..

Checking here randomly is not at all difficult.

All that aside, nice work on subtitles. Any progress on test authoring with existing render?