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#1322694
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Info: The Force Awakens - Home Video Version; NOT Theatrical Cut - differences?
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@yaboykevin01: Excellent job on the breakdown of the ‘Jedi Steps and Finale’ music cue.

yaboykevin01 said:

All right, I finished my breakdown of the end credits music. I’ve separated each track into sections and determined the running time of each section.

FYC “The Jedi Steps and Finale” (9:58)

  • The Jedi Steps [0:00 - 1:37] (1:37)
  • The Force Theme [1:38 - 2:11] (0:33)
  • Luke’s Theme / Main Theme [2:12 - 2:20] (0:08)
  • Rebel Fanfare [2:21 - 2:31] (0:10)
  • Luke’s Theme / Main Theme [2:32 - 2:57] (0:25)
  • Rey’s Theme [2:58 - 4:10] (1:12)
  • Kylo Ren’s Theme [4:11 - 4:55] (0:44)
  • Pursuit Theme [4:56 - 6:04] (1:08)
  • March of the Resistance [6:05 - 8:34] (2:29)
  • Force Theme + Rey’s Theme [8:35 - 9:14] (0:39)
  • Rebel Fanfare + Ascending Tones [9:15 - 9:31] (0:16)
  • Rey’s Theme (Bars 3 and 4) [9:32 - 9:39] (0:07)
  • Final Chord + Luke’s Theme [9:40 - 9:58] (0:16)

OST “The Jedi Steps and Finale” (8:52) (Source: Spotify)

  • The Jedi Steps [0:00 - 1:37] (1:37)
  • The Force Theme [1:38 - 2:11] (0:33)
  • Luke’s Theme / Main Theme [2:12 - 2:21] (0:09)
  • Rebel Fanfare [2:22 - 2:32] (0:10)
  • Luke’s Theme / Main Theme [2:33 - 2:57] (0:25)
  • Rey’s Theme [2:58 - 4:10] (1:12)
  • Kylo Ren’s Theme [4:11 - 4:55] (0:44)
  • Pursuit Theme [4:56 - 6:04] (1:08)
  • March of the Resistance [6:05 - 7:26] (1:21)
  • Force Theme + Rey’s Theme [7:27 - 8:05] (0:38)
  • Rebel Fanfare + Ascending Tones [8:06 - 8:23] (0:17)
  • Rey’s Theme (Bars 3 and 4) [8:24 - 8:31] (0:07)
  • Final Chord + Luke’s Theme [8:32 - 8:48] (0:16)

Blu-Ray/Digital (12:41 of music) (Source: Movies Anywhere. I can determine whether the digital version matches the Blu-Ray this weekend. I strongly suspect it does.)

  • The Jedi Steps [2:04:55 - 2:06:31] (1:36)
  • The Force Theme [2:06:32 - 2:07:05] (0:33)
  • Luke’s Theme / Main Theme [2:07:06 - 2:07:15] (0:09)
  • Rebel Fanfare [2:07:16 - 2:07:26) (0:10)
  • Luke’s Theme / Main Theme [2:07:27 - 2:07:51] (0:24)
  • Rey’s Theme [2:07:52 - 2:10:11] (2:19)
  • Scherzo for X-Wings [2:10:12 - 2:11:51] (1:39)
  • Kylo Ren’s Theme [2:11:52 - 2:12:35] (0:43)
  • Pursuit Theme [2:12:36 - 2:13:44] (1:08)
  • March of the Resistance [2:13:45 - 2:16:14) (2:29)
  • Force Theme + Rey’s Theme [2:16:15 - 2:16:54] (0:39)
  • Rebel Fanfare + Ascending Tones [2:16:55 - 2:17:12] (0:17)
  • Rey’s Theme (Bars 3 and 4) [2:17:13-2:17:19] (0:06)
  • Final Chord + Luke’s Theme [2:17:20 - 2:17:36] (0:16)
  • Bad Robot / Lucasfilm Logos [2:17:37 - 2:18:02] (0:25)

To summarize the differences:

  • Rey’s Theme is extended by about 1:07 on the digital/Blu-Ray compared to the FYC and OST.
  • The digital/Blu-Ray inserts Scherzo for X-Wings between Rey’s Theme and Kylo Ren’s Theme. Scherzo for X-Wings is absent on the FYC and OST.
  • March of the Resistance is shortened by about 1:08 on the OST compared with the FYC and digital/Blu-Ray.

Bottom line: if the FYC is actually what played over the theatrical version’s credits, then the Blu-Ray has to have been extended by ~2:43 - 2:46, lining up nicely with the reports of a three-minute credits extension. That’s a big “if,” though, so I need corroboration from someone who has access to a theatrical copy that includes the credits (if such a copy exists).

During one of the film’s screenings for the ‘film-with-live-orchestra’ concert of SW:TFA…

…which I attended, the duration of the end credits was shorten by 3 minutes and 21 seconds. This was done by speeding-up the remaining half of the credits after the “A Bad Robot Production” card was displayed. Because of this, the music for that sequence was changed.

Using @yaboykevin’s format, here’s my breakdown of ‘Jedi Steps and Finale’ as heard in the ‘film-concert’ version, if one were to sync the concert audio to the Blu Ray cut.
The Jedi Steps [2:04:56 – 2:06:32] (1:36)
The Force Theme [2:06:32 – 2:07:06] (:34)
Luke’s Theme / Main Theme [2:07:06 – 2:07:17] (:11)
Rebel Fanfare [2:07:17 – 2:07:26] (:09)
Luke’s Theme / Main Theme [2:07:26 – 2:07:50] (:24)
Rey’s Theme [2:07:50 – 2:09:05] (1:15)
Kylo Ren’s Theme [2:09:05 – 2:09:50] (:45)
Pursuit Theme [2:09:50 – 2:10:55] (1:05)
March of the Resistance [2:10:55 – 2:13:23] (2:28)
Force Theme + Rey’s Theme [2:13:23 – 2:14:00] (:37)
Rebel Fanfare + Ascending Tones [2:14:00 – 2:14:18] (:18)
Rey’s Theme (Bars 3 and 4) [2:14:18 – 2:14:26] (:08)
Rebel Fanfare Ending from SW:ROTJ ([GOUT: 2:11:20 – 2:11:40] (:20)), but in a different key. [2:14:26 - 2:14:44] (:18)
This ending was taken from the piece, “Thorne Room and End Title” from Williams’ own concert-suite version of Star Wars (ANH).

Final Analyses:
Basically, the arrangement of the ‘Jedi Steps and Finale’ cue used in SW:TFA’s ‘film-with-live-orchestra’ concert version was the album version up until the final 19 seconds where it gets dumped and replaced by the Rebel Fanfare ending from SW:ROTJ in a different key. That means this film-concert arrangement used a truncated version of ‘Rey’s Theme’ and the removal of ‘Scherzo for X-Wings’ from the film-version of the end credits.

BTW, where I saw the concert, the ‘Bad Robot / Lucasfilm’ logos at the end of the film where not displayed.

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#1321369
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Star Wars Film Concert Series (Released)
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alexp120 said:

A Live-to-Projection concert program of The Last Jedi has just been announced.

A USA booking has been made:
The New Jersey Symphony Orchestra. March 19-21st 2021
https://www.njsymphony.org/events/detail/star-wars-the-last-jedi-in-concert

Whether this is the second booking of this program or even the North American premiere is uncertain, right now. Here in the United States during the 1st half of the year, orchestras from around the country are starting to announce their schedules for the 2020/21 season that starts in September and ends in August the following year. Some orchestras will put out their schedules as late as May.

So far, only three American orchestras have or will complete the first four Star Wars Film concerts by June of this year. So we’ll have to wait and see what orchestra will schedule SW:TLJ anywhere between September '20 and March '21.

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#1315990
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Pickle2503's Attack of the Clones Theatrical Preservation(ish) (Released)
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The iso-disc image of the CinemaDTS CD-ROM discs can be found on the usenet circuit, but one would have to do the work in encoding the .AUD files and syncing them to the 23.975fps video.

You can do some reading on this here:
http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/The-1997-Star-Wars-Special-Edition-Trilogy-Preservation-Standards-Thread-Work-In-Progress/id/14647/page/1

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#1314085
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4K restoration on Star Wars
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Slavicuss said:
ALIEN, is another I would be thrilled to see extended. It very nearly happened! An extended cut was prepared with EVERYTHING back in - including previously unseen material - this version, I believe, was put together by Charles de Lauzirika.
The film’s director, Ridley Scott, viewed it and thought it was too long. He then came up with a compromise - ALIEN: THE DIRECTOR’S CUT - which contained very little added material but many edits made to the film and augmented with CGI.
I hope the original edit by Charles de Lauzirika still exists and will be released as bonus material one day.

I would be happy if an alternate working cut of ALIEN would be released, or even screened. This cut, according to Mike Matessino who worked on the music-recording restoration for the 2CD album release, had an additional 11 minutes and it was this version that composer Jerry Goldsmith used to score the music. This cut would restore the music to the way that the composer intended.

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#1314046
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YouTube/Vimeo/etc... Star Wars video finds
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TavorX said:

Star Wars: Rise of Skywalker Featurete

https://youtu.be/CJhKQeblpYk

That beginning blooper, has that ever been shown to the public?

This featurette was first shown at the Star Wars Celebration in Chicago, IL on April 2019 just before a panel discussion. A cell-phone recording of this blooper reel with audience-reaction sounds was upload on the 'spleen shortly after.

Thanks, @TavorX, for finding a better quality video.

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#1306021
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James Bond 007 Thread
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On the “007-The Daniel Craig Collection” Blu Ray/UHD Combo-Disc Set, the extended international cut of Casino Royale (2006) can be found only on the UHD Blu Ray, in the USA and abroad. This is confirmed by this review on The Digital Bits. The extended cut, which has 17 seconds of extra footage, was previously released on Blu Ray but was not available in the USA.

This cut was used by the concert production company, Film Concerts Live, for their film-with-live-orchestra concert of Casino Royale featuring live performance of David Arnold’s music score.

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#1303394
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Harmy's STAR WARS Despecialized Edition HD - V2.7 - MKV (Released)
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peasejust said:

Thanks HanDuet, however, when I download the AVCHD version and try to play it with VLC, whenever, I seek the screen becomes all pixelated for a couple of seconds. What is with that? Using IINA (mpv), doesn’t even work at all. Same thing when I remux it to mkv. Why can’t there just be a normal, manageable mkv version? Who wants a 20g file? Seriously. Just provide a smaller version like 8G. ~5000kbps or more, something like that. I’m supposed to store 60G just for the trilogy on my HD? How much HD space do you think people have?

Well, some folks like to watch Star Wars on a bigger screen, so the bigger the file size in the video, the better the picture quality. For these folks, myself included, they saw the Star Wars films on the big screen and we want to recreate that experience of watching these films in that way. That is why Harmy released the trilogy in that huge file size.

ChainsawAsh said:

Yeah…20GB is a pretty standard file size for high-quality HD releases.

I imagine the remaining GBs are for the multiple audio tracks. If file-size is an issue with you, peasejust, free software like MKVToolNix would allow you to remove the audio tracks that you don’t want, thereby reducing the file-size.

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#1300341
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Harmy's STAR WARS Despecialized Edition HD - V2.7 - MKV (Released)
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The primary source of the ‘despecialized’ versions are from the Blu Ray videos. If you are looking for versions of any of the Star Wars Theatrical cuts that have more picture information, you’re best bet is to look for the fan-made 4K versions–‘4K77’, ‘4K83’, and ‘Renegade Grindhouse’ of ‘The Empire Strikes Back’ as ‘4K80’ is in production. These 4K versions are available in UHD and 1080p. The sole source of these versions are made up of scans from multiple 35mm theatrical prints. Although there is cropping in these versions, too, the final releases do have more picture information than the current Blu Ray versions.

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#1297759
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The Phantom Menace - Theatrical version scanned in 4K (a WIP)
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ZigZig said:

So it seems that it (TPM) was not so hated until 2012, then it suddenly dropped 10% within the last 7 years
(but it remains widely above The Last Jedi which gets an awful audience score of 44%).

That might be the reason why there’s only one booking for the Film With Live Orchestra concert of The Last Jedi. It premieres in Tokyo, Japan on October 14th.
https://starwars.disney.co.jp/concert.html

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#1293658
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1997 Star Wars Special Edition 35mm Project (a WIP)
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Anakin94 said:

…but i read that he is working on other projects too.
This is alot of work and time, that he spend.
We should also respect his private life.

For poita, it’s more about working on his life outside the forum.

I would read this post, first, before inquiring on this or any other projects.

https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/The-Original-Trilogy-restored-from-35mm-prints/id/49756/page/33#1203596

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#1288915
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Screening of the Original Version of STAR WARS July at Stockton, CA
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Cthulhunicron said:

So yeah, I drove an hour today to get to the theater, only to discover they’re showing the 1997 version. Disappointing, but not terribly unexpected.

Are you saying that you didn’t read the July 5th post on this thread that told you that the '97 version was the one that the Fox Theatre was screening?

Laserschwert said:

Just when we thought they’ve turned around:

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#1287164
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Help Me Understand Empire Strikes Back?
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You haven’t said how have you seen this movie—on a laptop, smartphone, a small TV screen, tablet?

If that is how you watched it, I don’t blame you for not getting into. Most of the special effects in it deserves to be seen on a larger canvas.

I’m a Gen X’er and the first time I’ve seen this movie was on the big screen at the time that it came out. Being that it was my first Star Wars film, I totally enjoyed the Han and Leia bickering, 3PO’s prissiness, the running gag on the Falcon’s mishaps, and the music score. The more I watched it, the more discoveries I’ve made.

However, I totally understand why you would feel indifferent about a movie where many people you know praised it. I have that same feeling with “Do The Right Thing.” I saw it once, I hated it, and I never saw it again, despite the honors the film got over the years.

On the other hand, I saw “Alien 3” on the big-screen and I didn’t like it because I expected to be at the level of “Aliens.” But, because I liked the Elliot Goldenthal music score, I saw the film again a few years later and, somehow, I enjoyed the film’s “killing its victims, one-by-one” approach, like in the first “Alien” film.

So, I wouldn’t worry about you’re not liking ESB. My advice is to take a long break from this movie and let it disappear from your memory.

If this “your-not-liking-ESB-but-others-do” thing still bothers you, then schedule a time to watch the film, once more. This time, take some friends along, and go to a theatre to see it on a big-screen, preferably from a film print. If that is not option, then find a concert venue where the film is shown while a large orchestra performs the music score on stage. Maybe with all the scenery being enlarged, and with high fidelity sound, the film can finally speak to you.