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#1424726
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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adywan,

Since you have put in so much to the audio tracks of your Star Wars ‘Revisited’ trilogy—using music from other ‘SW’ films and adding additional sound-effects, perhaps you should consider letting members access to the raw audio edits of your ‘Revisited’ Trilogy. A FLAC file would do fine.

There are non-English speaking members, here, who would love to enjoy your films in their own language. Because you have changed the length of the films, those members simply cannot replace an audio track with, even, the GOUT version. Having those raw audio tracks, a competent audio editor can do a separate language track of a ‘revisited’ film and share it with the community.

Also,

adywan said:

But the main reason why it may just be 5.1 is because i do not have any software that can encode DTS-MA let alone encode a 6.1 or 7.1 audio track. The DTS software suite is ridiculous price and now only seems to be available for Mac.

There are members, here, that have access to a DTS Master Suite software, so, if you allow access to those raw audio files, I am sure that those members will share them with the community. Some members have audio amplifiers that can play 5.1 channel FLAC files, so, even without a DTS audio track, they can enjoy the sound in high definition.

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#1424567
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Pro Audio Engineer looking to get involved!<br>
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GMatias said:

I’m looking to make a Japanese language track for Adywan’s ESB:R edit.

I feel for you in your challenge in making an audio track for ESB:R. I’ve made a recording of the ‘film-with-live-orchestra’ concert of ‘ESB’ where the cut shown to the audience was the 2011 version. I wanted to sync the concert audio to ESB:R because I wanted to check-out Adywan’s edit that I’ve heard so much about and I was bored with the 1980 and 1997 English surround-sound audio mixes.

While working on it, I found that Adywan had extended several shots in the film–the downward pan to an Imperial Star Destroyer after the opening crawl, Luke’s X-wing in the Dagobah pond. As a result, I had to stretch the concert audio in the music to match the length of those shots. I didn’t add-on any of the additional sound-effects from the ESB:R sound-mix to the re-edited concert audio, because, for me, it was all about hearing a new performance of this score with the edit I choose to watch.

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#1422590
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Help: Looking for... VCD Preservations
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Perhaps the best that can come from the Star Wars Saga on VCD is that it is one of the few formats that carries the theatrical cut of the ‘The Phantom Menace’, outside off VHS tape and Laserdisc. It would be nice if one were to get a rip of any of the foreign language tracks from these VCDs-even if the audio track from the disc is 44.1kbps/MP3 quality. I’m sure ZigZig would welcome it in his theatrical cut preservation.

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#1392854
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Krieg der Sterne - Despecialized Edition 2.7 (German) (Released)
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To review, the German release of Star Wars—Krieg Der Sterne—restored the music for a sequence in the trash compactor where Luke is attacked by a dianoga creature.

My question is this: since George Lucas had the said music-cue removed in his English-language sound-mixes, how did this music end up in the German-language sound-mix? It takes work to create a sound mix for a different language—a group of people would have to control the audio levels of the various sound elements—music, sound effects, and dialogue. I am thinking that one of the 2 things may have happen that the said music-cue appeared in that said sequence:

The sound mixers who worked on the German language track either didn’t look at any attached notes to the sound elements that would indicate to mute the said music cue, or no notes were attached.The distributor for the film’s German release requested that the music-cue be used. Since Fox still owned the rights to the film at the time, they would be willing to grant that request.

I am open to any factual explanation.

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#1391854
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STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 <strong>REVISITED</strong> ADYWAN *<em>720p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION</em>
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adywan said:

THE REVISITED SAGA WILL NOW ALL BE RELEASED IN 1080P INSTEAD OF JUST 720P

Upscaling ESB:R should only take a month or two. Luckily i still have all of the project files so, if needed, i can replace a shot that isn’t working in the upscale with a newly rendered version. Then i can move onto ANH:R. All the work i have done so far on ROTJ has all been in 1080p, so no need to do any upscaling there. ROTJ:R will be native 1080p.

Adywan, Thanks very much for your intending on upscaling ANH:R to 1080p. I saw samples of the VFX that you’ve created for ANH:R and I wanted to check it out on my 54-inch TV, but I couldn’t tolerate the image quality being below 1080p (once I go 1080p, I’ll never go back), so I held back on watching it.

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#1386520
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Info &amp; Help Wanted: Bram Stoker's Dracula VHS audio rip
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You need two audio files to synchronize (or ‘sync’) your rip of the VHS audio track to your HD video.

  1. The audio file the VHS audio track (which you have already)
  2. The audio file of the HD video audio

Since you are already using Audacity, will use that as an example.

Open both audio files

Compare the waveforms of each file–look at the head-end and the tail-end of each file and line up the VHS audio file to the HD file by the waveforms. If your VHS audio track doesn’t ‘line-up’ with the HD audio file, then you have to either extend or shorten the duration of the VHS audio.

There’s some YouTube videos, out here, that help you ‘line-up’ or synchronize audio files of instrumental tracks and vocal/instrumentals tracks of the same song (to make a ‘vocal-only’ audio file). Get tips on synchronizing the two files from these videos.

After you line-up the files together, ‘select’ the VHS audio file, then go to: Effect–>Change Tempo.

You have to put in the percentage value that will determine the right length of the VHS audio file to match the length of the HD audio file. This way, you change the duration of the stream, but you are maintaining the pitch.

After you change the duration, compare the waveforms of the files again. If they don’t match up, then you have to try again. Keep playing with the percentage values until the waveforms on each ends of the audio file match-up.

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#1386062
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Audio Mixes used for the 2019 SE release of the Original Trilogy - any issues?
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Just for fun, I was watching SW:ANH with the 5.1 DTS-ES Italian track some time ago (Italian is not my language) and I’ve noticed a flaw in the audio for the scene just after the Solo/Jabba conflict where Luke and Ben were making their way to Docking Bay 94 (at the 54:14 mark). I noticed that the music-scoring elements were not sync’ing to each other by about 1 second between them.

For convenience, here’s a 29-second mkv clip of that scene.

https://mega.nz/file/lsMyHBKJ#eJZA6uo40RfWQ-aqJ9fRdqJcQM7NSLkU_COZFzFrZLY

Hear it on Audio Track #1

I ripped the audio for that scene and I examined each channel. I’ve discovered that the music element in the front left and right channels are out of sync with the music element in the center channel, but the other sound elements—the dialogue, and the alien sounds (Chewie’s grunt, and an alien stalker speaking on a portable communicating device) were in sync. As a hunch, I’ve compared both channels to the 1977 mix. Sure enough, the center channel element used in this 2019 Italian audio track for that scene is from the sound mix of ‘Star Wars’'s 1st theatrical cut because the music placement for that scene in the center Italian track matches the music placement of the same scene in the GOUT version.

Here’s a breakdown how the music for this 28/29 second-footage covering between these two frames is presented …

In the ’77 version, the music cue for that scene—Inner City (Cue #5M6)- is coming to an end where Luke says, “What a piece of junk.” For the 1997 cut, Lucas extended the said footage by 21 frames. As a result, the said music cue has just ended before Luke says that said line.

Using that same mkv clip (above), here’s how the Italian track on the said footage plays out.

The Left and Right Front Channels of the DTS Italian track (Audio Track 2): It begins with the GOUT audio mix with Ben’s line, “If his ship is as fast as his boasting…” in Italian, then switches to the ’97 mix through-out the remainder of the scene.

The Center Channel (Audio Track 3): It is entirely the center track for the GOUT Italian mix. Notice that after the stalker-alien does his speak (at the :16 mark), the audio fades out to silence and fades back in. The GOUT center audio for that footage would not cover the added frames in the ’97 cut, so, a silence patch in the center track was made to extend the length of the GOUT audio. Since the left and right front channels are filled with music and sound effects, they mask out the center track’s brief silence patch.

However, in the end, the music being out of sync between the channels is audible (Track 1).

Why a polished audio mix of that sequence was never created back in ’97 or that audio mistake was never corrected in future home video releases *, including this one, is anyone’s guess.

*= yeah, this anomaly appears in the 2004 Dolby EX Italian audio track via shorman’s Star Wars Saga HDTV-DVD Preservation

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#1378062
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Empire Strikes Back - Two 1980 Theatrical Cuts?
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The-long-and-the-short of it is that when the film was released on May 21st, 1980, it was a limited engagement that was shown only in 70mm prints. When the film went into general release with 35mm prints on the following June 18th, it was new a cut that included changes (some optical-effects fixes and dialogue replacements, among them) and 3 new special effects shots that increased that length of the film by 20 seconds.

Discussion of that limited-engagement cut can be found here.
http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/ESB-70mm-Soundtrack-1980-in-theatre-recording/id/12501/page/1
https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Hopefully-the-last-70mm-vs-35mm-ESB-audio-differences-thread/id/14128/page/1
http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/70-mm-print-of-the-Empire-Strikes-Back-Differences/id/2321/page/1

Someone did a recreation of the ending of that limited-engagement cut on YouTube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmbl8tLOfFE
The audio in that video is a vintage In-Theater recording of a screening from that alternate cut.

Details about that audio recording can be found here:
http://wideanglecloseup.com/starwarsaudio.html

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#1375009
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Can you convert the cinema versions of Dolby Digital / DTS to their home audio equivalents?
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There’s some notes here on how to extract the audio from the CinemaDTS CD-ROM discs and sync them up to your target video file.

https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/781001/action/topic#781001

One thing though, the audio files on these discs are compressed and stored in APT-X100 files–one file per reel–with a bit depth/sampling rate/bit rate of 16bit/44.1khz/882kbps with a 4:1 compression rate. So, it’s not exactly a lossless representation of a film’s original sound-mix.

Happy researching.

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#1374723
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What is your main way of watching the Original Trilogy?
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My ideal way is to wait a long period of time between viewings of one film that I liked. This way, I can forget that one film and come back to it so that I can get that same enjoyment of when I first viewed it. In the case of the first three Star Wars films however, that is no longer possible since I’ve been involved in doing audio projects for them and I have to watch them to see if my work is done well. It’s like listening to a popular song. You first heard it over the radio and you’ve enjoyed it so much in that first listen. You would listen to that song repeatedly for hours and days to get that same ‘high’ of enjoyment. After a while, when you reached that 100th listen, that enjoyment starts to wear-off.

Before that, I had the first two films on CED disc in the 1980’s and I would watch them often for a year until my player broke in 1985. I, then, got a VCR (finally), but I never bothered buying the Star Wars films on tape. Fast-forward to 1991, I made a visit to a once-popular department store and I saw a home-theater display that contained a Toshiba 4:3 47-inch big-screen TV, a Sony laser-disc player, two Sony tower speakers with powered subwoofers and a comfortable sofa where people were watching a movie on that TV without a care in the world-the salesmen nor security men weren’t telling these people to move along. On a whim, I bought the Star Wars Trilogy “Definitive Collection” Laserdisc box set (despite my not having a LaserDisc player), went straight back to that department store and started playing ANH. Because of the size of the TV, the letterboxed picture was enough to put the black borders in my peripheral version. The remastered soundtrack was crisp-sounding coming out of those Sony speakers. Those speakers also did a good job in making the explosions rumble.

Into the playing of these discs in the store, customers and even the salesmen were gathering around the ‘living room’ area to see how this movie looked and sounded in that home theater set-up. One mother came in with her children and the kids were sitting close to the TV-screen in front of the sofa to watch the flying space ships. Each week, I brought in a different Star Wars movie to play in the store without objection from the salesmen. The store didn’t have any LaserDiscs to sell, so, I like to think that I was doing that store a favor by my playing these discs with the store’s equipment.

Having not seen the films for over 6 years, watching them with that home-theater set-up was the best that I can get of enjoying the films outside of the theater when I first saw them.

Nowadays, after viewing the SW films via ‘film-with-live-orchestra’ concerts, I can go for long periods of time without seeing the Star Wars films, so, I can wait forever for the completion of ‘4K80’

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#1371378
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Preservation of SE97 Laserdiscs (Info Wanted) (a WIP)
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ZigZig said:
2) Is there a dolby EX 6.1 or DTS version on one of the LD versions (I don’t think so)?

The 12-inch LaserDisc releases of the 1997 Star Wars Original Trilogy films where released only in Dolby Digital discrete 5.1 channel bitstreams. There were never separate LaserDisc releases of these films with DTS bitstreams.

Getting off topic: There were separate LaserDisc releases of the first three Die Hard films with DTS bitstreams.

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#1369606
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Info: Mike Verta’s 4K Restoration - May 2020 Livestream
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RU.08 said:

Finally Mike says that Legacy is the “original version” - I disagree. It’s his version, that he is happy with and that’s perfectly fine. But he has made alterations to it to make it the way he feels the movie should look, including making it way sharper than was ever intended in 1977.

In other words, it’s an elaborate fan-edit, only this one he isn’t sharing it–not in its entirety, anyway.

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#1368872
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The Phantom Menace - Bobson's Theatrical Recontruction v1 (Released!)
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J0E said:

Side note: I seem to remember ZigZig mentioning somewhere he got his hands on a 4k scan of a print but upon looking around again, I can’t seem to find where he mentioned it. If anyone could find that for me I’d be very appreciative.

ZigZig is overseeing a scan from the film’s 35mm release prints.
https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/The-Phantom-Menace-Theatrical-version-scanned-in-4K-a-WIP/id/67543

…but that project had been stalled

ZigZig said:
The scanning process is currently locked down in a Parisian lab due to Covid-19…