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#1386520
Topic
Bram Stoker's Dracula VHS audio rip
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You need two audio files to synchronize (or ‘sync’) your rip of the VHS audio track to your HD video.

  1. The audio file the VHS audio track (which you have already)
  2. The audio file of the HD video audio

Since you are already using Audacity, will use that as an example.

Open both audio files

Compare the waveforms of each file–look at the head-end and the tail-end of each file and line up the VHS audio file to the HD file by the waveforms. If your VHS audio track doesn’t ‘line-up’ with the HD audio file, then you have to either extend or shorten the duration of the VHS audio.

There’s some YouTube videos, out here, that help you ‘line-up’ or synchronize audio files of instrumental tracks and vocal/instrumentals tracks of the same song (to make a ‘vocal-only’ audio file). Get tips on synchronizing the two files from these videos.

After you line-up the files together, ‘select’ the VHS audio file, then go to: Effect–>Change Tempo.

You have to put in the percentage value that will determine the right length of the VHS audio file to match the length of the HD audio file. This way, you change the duration of the stream, but you are maintaining the pitch.

After you change the duration, compare the waveforms of the files again. If they don’t match up, then you have to try again. Keep playing with the percentage values until the waveforms on each ends of the audio file match-up.

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#1386062
Topic
Audio Mixes used for the 2019 SE release of the Original Trilogy - any issues?
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Just for fun, I was watching SW:ANH with the 5.1 DTS-ES Italian track some time ago (Italian is not my language) and I’ve noticed a flaw in the audio for the scene just after the Solo/Jabba conflict where Luke and Ben were making their way to Docking Bay 94 (at the 54:14 mark). I noticed that the music-scoring elements were not sync’ing to each other by about 1 second between them.

For convenience, here’s a 29-second mkv clip of that scene.

https://mega.nz/file/lsMyHBKJ#eJZA6uo40RfWQ-aqJ9fRdqJcQM7NSLkU_COZFzFrZLY

Hear it on Audio Track #1

I ripped the audio for that scene and I examined each channel. I’ve discovered that the music element in the front left and right channels are out of sync with the music element in the center channel, but the other sound elements—the dialogue, and the alien sounds (Chewie’s grunt, and an alien stalker speaking on a portable communicating device) were in sync. As a hunch, I’ve compared both channels to the 1977 mix. Sure enough, the center channel element used in this 2019 Italian audio track for that scene is from the sound mix of ‘Star Wars’'s 1st theatrical cut because the music placement for that scene in the center Italian track matches the music placement of the same scene in the GOUT version.

Here’s a breakdown how the music for this 28/29 second-footage covering between these two frames is presented …

In the ’77 version, the music cue for that scene—Inner City (Cue #5M6)- is coming to an end where Luke says, “What a piece of junk.” For the 1997 cut, Lucas extended the said footage by 21 frames. As a result, the said music cue has just ended before Luke says that said line.

Using that same mkv clip (above), here’s how the Italian track on the said footage plays out.

The Left and Right Front Channels of the DTS Italian track (Audio Track 2): It begins with the GOUT audio mix with Ben’s line, “If his ship is as fast as his boasting…” in Italian, then switches to the ’97 mix through-out the remainder of the scene.

The Center Channel (Audio Track 3): It is entirely the center track for the GOUT Italian mix. Notice that after the stalker-alien does his speak (at the :16 mark), the audio fades out to silence and fades back in. The GOUT center audio for that footage would not cover the added frames in the ’97 cut, so, a silence patch in the center track was made to extend the length of the GOUT audio. Since the left and right front channels are filled with music and sound effects, they mask out the center track’s brief silence patch.

However, in the end, the music being out of sync between the channels is audible (Track 1).

Why a polished audio mix of that sequence was never created back in ’97 or that audio mistake was never corrected in future home video releases *, including this one, is anyone’s guess.

*= yeah, this anomaly appears in the 2004 Dolby EX Italian audio track via shorman’s Star Wars Saga HDTV-DVD Preservation

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#1378062
Topic
Empire Strikes Back - Two 1980 Theatrical Cuts?
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The-long-and-the-short of it is that when the film was released on May 21st, 1980, it was a limited engagement that was shown only in 70mm prints. When the film went into general release with 35mm prints on the following June 18th, it was new a cut that included changes (some optical-effects fixes and dialogue replacements, among them) and 3 new special effects shots that increased that length of the film by 20 seconds.

Discussion of that limited-engagement cut can be found here.
http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/ESB-70mm-Soundtrack-1980-in-theatre-recording/id/12501/page/1
https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Hopefully-the-last-70mm-vs-35mm-ESB-audio-differences-thread/id/14128/page/1
http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/70-mm-print-of-the-Empire-Strikes-Back-Differences/id/2321/page/1

Someone did a recreation of the ending of that limited-engagement cut on YouTube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmbl8tLOfFE
The audio in that video is a vintage In-Theater recording of a screening from that alternate cut.

Details about that audio recording can be found here:
http://wideanglecloseup.com/starwarsaudio.html

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#1375009
Topic
Can you convert the cinema versions of Dolby Digital / DTS to their home audio equivalents?
Time

There’s some notes here on how to extract the audio from the CinemaDTS CD-ROM discs and sync them up to your target video file.

https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/781001/action/topic#781001

One thing though, the audio files on these discs are compressed and stored in APT-X100 files–one file per reel–with a bit depth/sampling rate/bit rate of 16bit/44.1khz/882kbps with a 4:1 compression rate. So, it’s not exactly a lossless representation of a film’s original sound-mix.

Happy researching.

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#1374723
Topic
What is your main way of watching the Original Trilogy?
Time

My ideal way is to wait a long period of time between viewings of one film that I liked. This way, I can forget that one film and come back to it so that I can get that same enjoyment of when I first viewed it. In the case of the first three Star Wars films however, that is no longer possible since I’ve been involved in doing audio projects for them and I have to watch them to see if my work is done well. It’s like listening to a popular song. You first heard it over the radio and you’ve enjoyed it so much in that first listen. You would listen to that song repeatedly for hours and days to get that same ‘high’ of enjoyment. After a while, when you reached that 100th listen, that enjoyment starts to wear-off.

Before that, I had the first two films on CED disc in the 1980’s and I would watch them often for a year until my player broke in 1985. I, then, got a VCR (finally), but I never bothered buying the Star Wars films on tape. Fast-forward to 1991, I made a visit to a once-popular department store and I saw a home-theater display that contained a Toshiba 4:3 47-inch big-screen TV, a Sony laser-disc player, two Sony tower speakers with powered subwoofers and a comfortable sofa where people were watching a movie on that TV without a care in the world-the salesmen nor security men weren’t telling these people to move along. On a whim, I bought the Star Wars Trilogy “Definitive Collection” Laserdisc box set (despite my not having a LaserDisc player), went straight back to that department store and started playing ANH. Because of the size of the TV, the letterboxed picture was enough to put the black borders in my peripheral version. The remastered soundtrack was crisp-sounding coming out of those Sony speakers. Those speakers also did a good job in making the explosions rumble.

Into the playing of these discs in the store, customers and even the salesmen were gathering around the ‘living room’ area to see how this movie looked and sounded in that home theater set-up. One mother came in with her children and the kids were sitting close to the TV-screen in front of the sofa to watch the flying space ships. Each week, I brought in a different Star Wars movie to play in the store without objection from the salesmen. The store didn’t have any LaserDiscs to sell, so, I like to think that I was doing that store a favor by my playing these discs with the store’s equipment.

Having not seen the films for over 6 years, watching them with that home-theater set-up was the best that I can get of enjoying the films outside of the theater when I first saw them.

Nowadays, after viewing the SW films via ‘film-with-live-orchestra’ concerts, I can go for long periods of time without seeing the Star Wars films, so, I can wait forever for the completion of ‘4K80’

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#1371378
Topic
Preservation of SE97 Laserdiscs (Info Wanted) (a WIP)
Time

ZigZig said:
2) Is there a dolby EX 6.1 or DTS version on one of the LD versions (I don’t think so)?

The 12-inch LaserDisc releases of the 1997 Star Wars Original Trilogy films where released only in Dolby Digital discrete 5.1 channel bitstreams. There were never separate LaserDisc releases of these films with DTS bitstreams.

Getting off topic: There were separate LaserDisc releases of the first three Die Hard films with DTS bitstreams.

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#1369606
Topic
Info: Mike Verta’s 4K Restoration - May 2020 Livestream
Time

RU.08 said:

Finally Mike says that Legacy is the “original version” - I disagree. It’s his version, that he is happy with and that’s perfectly fine. But he has made alterations to it to make it the way he feels the movie should look, including making it way sharper than was ever intended in 1977.

In other words, it’s an elaborate fan-edit, only this one he isn’t sharing it–not in its entirety, anyway.

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#1368872
Topic
The Phantom Menace - Bobson's Theatrical Recontruction v1 (Released!)
Time

J0E said:

Side note: I seem to remember ZigZig mentioning somewhere he got his hands on a 4k scan of a print but upon looking around again, I can’t seem to find where he mentioned it. If anyone could find that for me I’d be very appreciative.

ZigZig is overseeing a scan from the film’s 35mm release prints.
https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/The-Phantom-Menace-Theatrical-version-scanned-in-4K-a-WIP/id/67543

…but that project had been stalled

ZigZig said:
The scanning process is currently locked down in a Parisian lab due to Covid-19…

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#1356027
Topic
Help - Sync separate audio track with mkv file
Time

If both the audio and the video is in the same duration, as you have described, then you need to apply delay to the demuxed audio stream.

Go back to your mux’ing software (TSMuxer or MKVToolNix) and find the delay feature. Load the same video and audio streams.

If your remixed video has the sound before the actual time (ex. you hear spoken words before the lips move), then in the muxing software select the audio stream and apply a value in the delay box. Start off with a value of 100. This will nudge the audio stream forward.

If your video has the sound after the actual time (ex. you hear spoken words only after the lips move), then in the muxing software select the audio stream and in the delay box put a ‘minus’ sign and then the value (-100)–DO NOT PUT THE PARENTHESIS IN THE DELAY BOX. This will nudge the audio stream backward.

You may have to play with the values until you are satisfied with the results.

Good luck to you.

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#1353607
Topic
D+80 - Empire Strikes Back - 4K Theatrical Reconstruction (Released)
Time

Dek Rollins said:

(Apologies in advance for the off topic question, I just can’t find a better place to ask right now)

Is TheStarWarsTrilogy down? I’ve checked two sites, one says it’s down, the other says it’s up. Yesterday I just got an error message that mentioned server maintenance, so I assumed the forum was being updated or something. Now it still won’t load the site, but instead of an error message it asks for me to sign in. I assume it’s asking for an administrative sign in or something, because putting in my own sign in info doesn’t do anything.

I figure it’s nothing to worry about, but I wanted to check if anyone else knows what’s up.

It’s now back up.

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#1349544
Topic
Articles & info that highlight / call for a classic version release of the Original Trilogy
Time

Here’s one from last December’s New York Times

’We Can’t See ‘Star Wars’ Anymore’

The cultural industry that the 1977 film spawned has ground its original charm and wonder out of existence.
 

“We literally can’t see “Star Wars” anymore: Its control-freakish creator won’t allow the original version of the film to be seen and has stubbornly maculated his own masterpiece, second-guessing correct editing decisions, restoring wisely deleted scenes and replacing his breakthrough special effects — historic artifacts in their own right — with ’90s vintage C.G.I., already more dated than the film’s original effects.”
 

EDIT:
As of now this article requires you to be subscriber to the NYT.

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#1347251
Topic
The Empire Strikes Back - May 70 mm vs June 35 mm
Time

The OT had made some discussions about the specific changes in this alternate cut.
http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/ESB-70mm-Soundtrack-1980-in-theatre-recording/id/12501/page/1
https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Hopefully-the-last-70mm-vs-35mm-ESB-audio-differences-thread/id/14128/page/1
http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/70-mm-print-of-the-Empire-Strikes-Back-Differences/id/2321/page/1

Someone did a recreation of that alternative ending on YouTube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmbl8tLOfFE
The audio in that video is a vintage In-Theater recording of a screening from that alternate cut.

Details about that audio recording can be found here:
http://wideanglecloseup.com/starwarsaudio.html

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#1344518
Topic
Info: All Star Wars films released in 4K HDR on Disney Plus: 2019 SE with more changes
Time

Just for fun, I was watching SW:ANH with the 5.1 DTS-ES Italian track the other night (Italian is not my language) and I’ve noticed a flaw in the audio for the scene just after the Solo/Jabba conflict where Luke and Ben were making their way to Docking Bay 94 (at the 54:14 mark). I noticed that the music tracks in the front were not sync’ing to each other by about 1 second between them.

For convenience, here’s a 29-second mkv clip of that scene.

https://wetransfer.com/downloads/e643d937e7d6b570a2a25dae2bd3ed2320200513100442/1c1de497fafcd75d76e0ff141675dbd720200513100510/eba192

Here it on Audio Track #1

The following morning, I ripped the audio for that scene and I examined each channel. I’ve discovered that the music element in the front left and right channels are out of sync with the music element in the center channel, but the other sound elements—the dialogue, and the alien sounds (Chewie’s grunt, and an alien stalker speaking on a portable communicating device) were in sync. As a hunch, I’ve compared both channels to the 1977 mix. Sure enough, the center channel element used in this 2019 Italian audio track for that scene is from the 1977 sound mix because the music placement for that scene in the center Italian track matches the music placement of the same scene in the ’77 version.
Here’s breakdown of how this 28/29 second-footage covering between these two frames …

In the ’77 version, the music cue for that scene—Inner City (Cue #5M6)- begins to the end where Luke says, “What a piece of junk.” For the 1997 cut, Lucas extended the said footage by 21 frames. As a result, the said music cue ends just before Luke says that said line.

Using that same mkv clip (above), here’s how the Italian track on the said footage plays out.
The Left and Right Front Channels (Audio Track 2): It begins with the ’77 audio mix with Ben’s line, “If his ship is as fast as his boasting…” in Italian, then switches to the ’97 mix through-out the remainder of the scene.

The Center Channel (Audio Track 3): It is entirely the center track for the ’77 Italian mix. Notice that after the stalker-alien does his speak (at the :16 mark), the audio fades out to silence and fades back in. The ’77 center audio for that footage would not cover the added frames in the ’97 cut, so, a silence patch in the center track was made to extend the length of the ’77 audio. Since the left and right front channels are filled with music and sound effects, they mask out the center track’s brief silence patch.

However, in the end, the music being out of sync between the channels is audible (Track 1).

Why a polished audio mix of that sequence was never created back in ’97 or that audio mistake was never corrected in future home video releases *, including this one, is anyone’s guess.

*= yeah, this anomaly appears in the 2004 Dolby EX Italian audio track via shorman’s Star Wars Saga HDTV-DVD Preservation

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#1344509
Topic
Info: All Star Wars films released in 4K HDR on Disney Plus: 2019 SE with more changes
Time

JasonA said:

Additional changes made for 4K, according to Bill Hunt at the Digital Bits:

Unfortunately, as you may have heard by now, there’s been another change to the Han/Greedo scene. And it’s even more jarring than before. After Han says his iconic line, “Yes, I’ll bet you have,” the film now cuts back to a quick shot of Greedo again, who mutters an additional bit of Rodian dialogue (non-subtitled), before they both shoot at once, Han’s head weirdly shifts to one side, and Greedo falls.

https://thedigitalbits.com/columns/my-two-cents/111319-1800

I decided to delve a bit further into the new Solo/Greedo shootout.

This sequence has 14 frames–6 frames more than 2011 cut.  Ironic is that the 8-frame scene in the 2011 cut had 3 laser-fire exchanges, where as in the 14-frame 2019 version, one laser-fire discharge was removed.