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#1495285
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my memory isn't that bad, is it? (in SW '77 - Luke misses with the grappling hook?)
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If we can’t find a print of the film that would prove that this alternate edit of the said sequence had existed, then perhaps we can look at the ‘spotting’ notes of music editor, the late Kenneth Wannberg.

Right after a composer is hired to a film, he and the director get together to view the film—from start to finish—and find areas in it where music is needed. This period is known as a spotting session. The music editor is also present during that session as he must take notes on which group of footage needs music.

After the meeting, the music editor takes his notes from that meeting and prepares a typewritten list of action for each music-cue that the director wants. Each action has a time-stamp on the left side. This paperwork is called the spotting notes. It would look like this:

Since Kenneth Wannberg was involved in ‘Star Wars’ for composer John Williams, Wannberg would prepare such a typewritten list for the composer. If this alternate edit for the said sequence existed, then, certainly, one of the shot’s description in Wannberg’s spotting notes would read like this.

“Grapping hook misses beam and falls”

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#1491559
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Star Wars special edition 1997 France
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The 2011 cuts are not exactly the same as the 1997 cuts, lengthwise

  • For the '11 cut of ESB, the dialogue between Vader and the Emperor has been extended from the '97 cut, which used the '80 dialogue.
  • For the '11 cut of ROTJ, the first 2 hours, 5 minutes, and 55 seconds are sync’d with the '97 cut until it reaches the Victory Celebration. From there, an extra 5.626 seconds is added.
  • The least change is ANH. The '97 cut runs 792ms longer than the '11 cut–an extra 459ms in the black frames between the fade-out of Luke and the droids entering the garage on Tatooine and the fade-in of 3PO being lowered into the oil bath, and an extra 334ms in the Han/Greedo shootout (if you can call it that).
    EDIT: The 2004 cut of ANH shares the same frame-count length as the 1997 cut. However, the 2004 cuts of ESB and ROTJ do not for the said reasons.

So, work would have to be done to sync the 2011 cut with the 1997 cuts.

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#1486785
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STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 <strong>REVISITED</strong> ADYWAN *<em>1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION</em>
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timdiggerm said:

alexp120 said:

Or provide a wave file of a M & E (Music and Effects) audio track, so that members can prepare foreign language audio-mixes to your edits.

It could at least be a lossless compressed format (FLAC) to save on online storage size

But this is impossible, as it would first require that Ady has an M&E track of the movie which…no one does outside Lucasfilm?

Since the lengths of Ady’s SW fan-edits are different from the final-theatrical lengths of the films, custom audio-mixes would have been created to conform with the lengths of Ady edits. There are audio-files of the unique sound-effects from the SW franchise that have been collected and stored by the fans and other fans have used these audio files to make custom edits of their favorite SW films. This was the case for these Ady SW fan-edits.

So preparing a Music and Effects audio file–with the English dialogue removed–from these custom audio mixes is possible. It’s just a matter of Ady wanting to do one and share them.

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#1484730
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STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 <strong>REVISITED</strong> ADYWAN *<em>1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION</em>
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darkzip said:
V2’s upscaling begins!

edit: Son of a Nerf Herder. Windows decided to update during my overnight run. Oh well, I’m going to see if reencoding the already upscaled version to the correct fps fixes the stutter before I try rerunning topaz

I would just start over from the PAL source–that is, if you’ve managed to get one. If there’s a delay in delivering the final product, so be it. We would just have to be patient and wait. We want the final product to be good.

So, thank you for doing it.

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#1478444
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The Empire Strikes Back - Expanded Edition (Work in Progress)
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To: Bobson Dugnutt

I feel that you should release the deleted-scenes only, as you did for ‘Star Wars: Leftovers’, without doing an extended edit.

https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Star-Wars-Leftovers-A-Collection-of-Raw-Footage-and-Deleted-Scenes-Released/id/82752

I’m sure that you have a lot of other projects that you want to do, so let someone else use the collection of deleted scenes to produce their own polished fan-edit of ESB.

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#1469414
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HELP! Synchronizing dub audio track taken from VHS with MKV (ESB 97 SE)
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When I was sync’ing those vintage audio recordings of the Star Wars In-theatre screenings to the film’s theatrical versions at 23.976fps, I discovered that the speed on these audio recordings would fluctuate—portions would be faster and other would be slower. I had to make copies of these recordings at different speeds and pick parts from these copies to fit the final length. I came up with an edit of the audio-screenings that were serviceable, even though the audio wasn’t sync’d right-down to the millisecond.

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#1469005
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Does anyone have an Isolated score track of ANH?
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nobodybutjarjar42 said:

the 2011,2013,2015,2019 blu-ray releases have the 2011 isolated score

also doesnt the 2020 blu-ray releases have the same audio just upmixed

Where are you finding that these official Blu Ray releases have the isolated scores on them? My official 2011 Blu Ray discs do not have them, and I would like to know where to get them.

In the meantime…
@That guy with no name
this may not mean much for you, but here is a brief rehearsal video for one of the SW:ANH ‘film-with-live-orchestra’ concerts where there’s no film audio. At the 36-second mark is a performance of the tracked-music for CGI-enhanced ‘stormtropper-search-party-on-Tatooine’ scene.

https://www.facebook.com/QCSymphony/posts/10157051840560170?cft[0]=AZWrT_QlI3_v93HSWx_GYoLEOmG7CBFUA0QOAHbLAdWlFwx38enAQ8Zrh_a13UqMSxCK6xJcipqyYQFKWywceR5xNkiRpjMVA5rPwR1Rw535kgOdkjOl0klt4vVrUIP-TsNXkUa5vyrLESjNlNJRndBUUxfZlIIVwjLCCZD-d4q6Zg&tn=-UC%2CP-R

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#1465542
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A New Hope: Retouched Edition (ANH:RTE) (<strong>FINALLY RELEASED!</strong>)
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I noticed that you are using the 1977 opening in your edit and not all the others dating back to 1981. The pan-down movement towards the planets in the other versions are different from the ’77 version.

As for the music-take that you are using in the ’77 version, it is still unsync’d, especially at the point where the tip of Tatooine’s tip emerges from the screen’s bottom. That is where that orchestral ‘crash’ is supposed to happen. The ‘crash’ in your sample (even though ‘Take 19’ has some of the instruments removed at that point—the gong and the tympani) happens just shortly after Tatooine appears on screen.

The solution would be to speed-up ‘Take-19’ to sync with the music-take used in the ’77 final edit.

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#1464409
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<strong>4K77</strong> - Released
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crissrudd4554 said:

I have a question about the audio tracks. The version of 4K77 that I’m checking out has a track labeled as 1993 Laserdisc Stereo. However listening to this I hear none of the alterations made for the 1993 LD. Any input on this???

There was a mislabeling in tracks 14 and 15 for 4K77. Track 14 is the 1985 English Stereo Remix and Track 15 is the 1993 English Stereo Remix.

In other words: The track labeled ‘1993 remix’ is the 1985 remix and the track labeled ‘1985 remix’ is the 1993 remix

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#1459364
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The Star Wars Holiday Special: Remastered and Restored (Released)
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beeswithchainsaws said:

I did make the mistake of not making a post about it until now. I did spend a lot of time on it and am very proud of it.

I feel that is the best way to announce a project…when one is finished. Good call on you to do that.

Other members announce their projects to the group before they even started working on it. Meanwhile, the group gets interested in the project and wait eagerly for its release.

Then, after some time has passed, the project owners announce that they have to quit working on it either because life gets in the way, or they lack the funds to work on it, or the project is way over their heads. Meanwhile, the group is disappointed after they have had their hearts set on checking it out.

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#1451416
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Star Wars ESB (Devastator edition) (A WIP).
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That guy with no name said:

Color Match software (for matching 4k80 to blu-ray): Dr dre’s color match tool.
Color grading software: Davinci Resolve 17.

Can you describe your workflow of color matching every shot of a film. I’ve used Dr.Dre’s color matching tool to do brief scenes, but how would you do it for entire movie and how long does it usually take for you?

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#1443384
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STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 <strong>REVISITED</strong> ADYWAN *<em>1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION</em>
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OnlyOneKenobi said:

Another sequence is the initial reveal of the Death Star, with the addition of The Imperial March from TESB. Visually it is excellent and fits the narrative perfectly (I love that the Death Star now relies on a planet as a base, presumably so they could build it a la ROTJ. It never seemed right that it just sat in some part of outer space waiting for a phone call for the crew to go and blow up some planet the Emperor didn’t like the look of).

But the Imperial March is a stylistic theme throughout TESB and fits that films dark, doom-laden feel. Again, for it to just pop up doesn’t sit right and is another distraction. The new special effect sequence here even goes on too long seemingly to fit it in (the Star Destroyer appears to be about to crash in to the Death Star while it waits for the orchestra to finish) - and then music continues through the next scene where Vader remotely fingers a guys throat. It just seems a bit self-indulgent - although to be fair the nice bit of creepy music when Vader wiggles his finger is very effective.

I, too, am making a vote to remove ‘The Imperial March’ music-cue from the Death Star Reveal footage in ‘SW-ANH: Revisited’. I feel that if you leave it as is, you’ll destroy the impact of Vader’s first appearance in ‘ESB:Resvited’.

In ANH, Vader doesn’t appear to be the head-villain. When he enters the conference room, he follows Tarkin; Vader obeys Tarkin when he is told to ‘release’ his force-grip on an Imperial officer; and Vader goes out of the Death Star to do the dirty work of killing Rebel pilots. Vader and Tarkin are co-villains, whereas in ESB, Vader is the central villain, hence he gets his own bombastic music in his first entrance. Having that ‘Imperial March’ music-cue appear first in ‘ANH: Revisited’ and hearing that same music reappear in ‘ESB: Revisited’ would be redundant and it would lessen the impact of his introduction as the head-villain.

For that said Death Star footage, I originally thought that if you must use the Vader theme, then I would use portions of the ESB music-cue, ‘Aboard the Executioner’—the portion that was not used in the film. Furthermore, I would even trim that portion of the music and trim the footage to fit that music.

Audio example:
https://soundcloud.com/user262009578/death-star-reveal

However, to further give Vader a greater dramatic presence in ESB, just eliminate the Vader theme entirely and use this music-cue from ‘Rogue 1’.

ziggyonice said:

I almost feel as though “The Imperial March” should NOT be in A New Hope, perhaps with the only exception being when Vader is on the screen — the theme has been closely tied with Vader and his leadership of the fleet.

However, after Rogue One, they chose to embrace the classic Death Star 1 theme (dun, dun dun dun!) and also introduced “The Imperial Suite,” which almost seems more like an appropriate theme for the Empire in the time of Tarkin.

I would personally like to see The Imperial Suite in ANH:R HD, and keep The Imperial March out of it (with the exception, perhaps, being when Vader makes a move — maybe the lightsaber battle with Obi-Wan or when Vader hops into his TIE fighter).

By the way, here’s the theme I’m referring to (“The Imperial Suite”):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uKtUlPmhqw

You can always write in the end-credits “additional music by Michael Giacchino’

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#1438229
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Syncing up DVD audio with BD video
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Going on the assumption that you are muxing the DVD audio stream with the Blu Ray video stream, it looks like that you are going to have to apply a forward delay of 4 seconds on the DVD audio track. In either MKVToolNix or TSMuxer, there’s a delay box where you apply the value, expressed in milliseconds. First, you need to know how much delay that you need to apply.

Open your muxed file in the media player, VLC, and use it to search for the delay value to put in the delay box. Go to the point of the film where the 1st line of dialogue is spoken. Select the audio stream to set your delay–press the ‘J’ key to nudge the audio stream forward, press the ‘k’ key to nudge it backward. When you find the right sync, write the delay-value down. Now go to the end of the video where the film’s last line of dialogue is spoken. If the audio is sync’d with that scene, then this step is over and you are ready to re-do muxing of the two streams together where you are going to apply the delay value in the delay box.

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#1424726
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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adywan,

Since you have put in so much to the audio tracks of your Star Wars ‘Revisited’ trilogy—using music from other ‘SW’ films and adding additional sound-effects, perhaps you should consider letting members access to the raw audio edits of your ‘Revisited’ Trilogy. A FLAC file would do fine.

There are non-English speaking members, here, who would love to enjoy your films in their own language. Because you have changed the length of the films, those members simply cannot replace an audio track with, even, the GOUT version. Having those raw audio tracks, a competent audio editor can do a separate language track of a ‘revisited’ film and share it with the community.

Also,

adywan said:

But the main reason why it may just be 5.1 is because i do not have any software that can encode DTS-MA let alone encode a 6.1 or 7.1 audio track. The DTS software suite is ridiculous price and now only seems to be available for Mac.

There are members, here, that have access to a DTS Master Suite software, so, if you allow access to those raw audio files, I am sure that those members will share them with the community. Some members have audio amplifiers that can play 5.1 channel FLAC files, so, even without a DTS audio track, they can enjoy the sound in high definition.

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#1424567
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Pro Audio Engineer looking to get involved!<br>
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GMatias said:

I’m looking to make a Japanese language track for Adywan’s ESB:R edit.

I feel for you in your challenge in making an audio track for ESB:R. I’ve made a recording of the ‘film-with-live-orchestra’ concert of ‘ESB’ where the cut shown to the audience was the 2011 version. I wanted to sync the concert audio to ESB:R because I wanted to check-out Adywan’s edit that I’ve heard so much about and I was bored with the 1980 and 1997 English surround-sound audio mixes.

While working on it, I found that Adywan had extended several shots in the film–the downward pan to an Imperial Star Destroyer after the opening crawl, Luke’s X-wing in the Dagobah pond. As a result, I had to stretch the concert audio in the music to match the length of those shots. I didn’t add-on any of the additional sound-effects from the ESB:R sound-mix to the re-edited concert audio, because, for me, it was all about hearing a new performance of this score with the edit I choose to watch.

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#1422590
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Help: Looking for... VCD Preservations
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Perhaps the best that can come from the Star Wars Saga on VCD is that it is one of the few formats that carries the theatrical cut of the ‘The Phantom Menace’, outside off VHS tape and Laserdisc. It would be nice if one were to get a rip of any of the foreign language tracks from these VCDs-even if the audio track from the disc is 44.1kbps/MP3 quality. I’m sure ZigZig would welcome it in his theatrical cut preservation.