adywan

Ronster said:

What did you use to create the grooves?

A fork? Stanley? or something else?

I used one of these:

Prefect tool to use so that all the grooves aren't uniform. I covered the foam board with plaster powder mixed with 100% PVA glue and used this tool then to create the texture. The PVA not only helps the plaster bond better but also gives it the perfect mixture to be able to drag the tool across the surface, creating smooth texture.

Ronster said:

Also I am curious will you be populating this miniature with models or digital matte?

Basically we know that you plan to replace the out of scale background but what will it be comprised of?

I saw those y-wing finemolds pics and really increased my interest if you will be adding physical models to the shot...

I will be using the fine molds 1/72 models to populate it as it is built to 1/72 scale. I will have to digitally insert the transports using available shots of the original models (would love to have used the resin kit of the Transports available on ebay, but i just couldn't afford the £400+ price tag). All the boxes, pipes etc will be  built physically at 1/72 and placed in the set, including all the lights etc. Then the troops and pilots that the 2nd unit filmed will be inserted . I have a smoke machine that will be used to add a fine layer of smoke in the hangar, then digitally insert the jets of steam seen in the full scale version (falcon hangar)

Moth3r said:

And if I don't receive a satisfactory explanation as to why Yodaman97 is posting from the same IP as MichaelGonJinn in the next 24 hours the account will be banned.

Texturing is now complete on the hangar miniature. Next to paint it and add all the extra mechanical and pipe details

Darth Stewie said:

The prequels are horrible about the holograms looking around and looking at who they are talking to. It makes zero sense. In ESB the various captains are the same size as Vader onboard the Executor. It makes sense that they are perhaps looking at life-sized holograms of Vader just as he is looking at them life-sized. Pre-recorded ones like Luke's and Leia's have them looking forward but not interacting. If memory serves, in the meditation chamber, the 'front-view' of the Emperor seems to be looking forward whereas the side view seems to have him looking down at Vader. With the Veers/Vader scene, I just think it makes sense that the shot be changed entirely or at the very least have Vader looking forward instead of looking up. 

Although in the real world Vader should be looking forward. But this is a movie and in cinematic terms, because Veers is looking down at the Hologram, Vader needs to be looking up or it would just look wrong. You can't change the shot to him looking forward because it will look completely wrong if Vader isn't looking directly at Veers. You also can't change the hologram for Vader to be looking forwards because, again, Veers is looking down.But who is to say that Vader isn't looking up at a monitor? He doesn't have to be looking at a hologram of Veers. We don't see the other end of the transmission.

$48.99 and you've got yourself a deal

It was a bit

It was a bit

lol. The PAL VHS doesn't contain the yoda scene. No versions of Ep3 do and never have, even in theatres . Nice try

Ryan McAvoy said:

A question:

I always remember growing up with the image of Anakin and Obi-Wan dueling in a Volcano (Or at a push a lava planet) firmly fixed in my mind. Me, my brothers and my friends. So where did I get this notion from? An article? A EU book? An interview?

Rolling Stone interview with George Lucas in 1977:

"Vader kills Luke's father, then Ben and Vader have a confrontation, just like they have in Star Wars, and Ben almost kills Vader. As a matter of fact, he falls into a volcanic pit and gets fried and is one destroyed being."

full article here:

http://www.rollingstone.com/movies/news/the-wizard-of-star-wars-20120504

The Midichlorian idea was dropped long before the final draft of Ep4. You can clearly see from this that they had nothing to do with if you could become a Jedi or not. He was still following the plan of "anyone" could learn to use the force. The force in the OT was spiritual and not a medical condition. He only reintroduced Midichlorians as a measuring device to determine how powerful Anakin was in Ep1.

There are bits in there that made their way into the final version of the prequels.

This is a really interesting excerpt from the upcoming "Making of Return of the Jedi" book.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/22/star-wars-prequels-return-of-the-jedi_n_3313793.html

Interesting to just how different his plans were back then. It also destroys the argument of the prequel fans that they were planned out that way all along ( i bet they're going to love that ;) ). 

So to summarise;

Yoda doesn't fight. He is more of a teacher.

NO MIDICHLORIANS

Jedi can love and marry.

ANYONE can learn to use the force if they are prepared to learn.

Luke & Leia's mother was still alive until they were 2 years old

So they would have originally fit in pretty well with the OT.

You should still be able to view it, even if you don't use facebook:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=415356061905210

If it's good enough for Iron Man 2. It's good enough for Revisited ;)

http://petapixel.com/2010/09/29/canon-5d-mark-ii-used-for-iron-man-2/

Asteroid-Man said:

timdiggerm said:

Given that DSLRs give good image quality, and they don't need to record the sound...why not?

DSLR has good image, but compared to 35mm film, it's laughable. The colour range is only 8-bit, which drastically limits what you can do with colour grading. Most DSLRs don't even have a full frame image sensor. 5D does, which it seems like is what they are using though. You're bound to get artifacting.

The contrast ratio with DSLR is also hysterically shitty compared to film. DSLR crushes the blacks on shooting. The colour range isn't true YCrCb 0-255, and regardless of what you do with it, you end up with RGB 16-135. 

Artifacting and brightness/contrast/colour aside, the grain on a DSLR compare to that of celluloid is an even bigger difference that Gorilla Grain can't meet, as much as it claims that it can. 

When you have virtually every cinematographer in the industry saying that Digital STILL doesn't have the same look as Film (and these are people comparing film to the likes of the Alexa) how on Earth do you expect a DSLR to do it? Granted, MANY cinematographers are beginning to shoot digital now over film (obviously excluding the likes of Wally Pfister), but if they were doing some inserts for a film that was shot, coloured and edited on film, do you think they would shoot digital, let alone a DSLR?

Are you serious? You are comparing a fan film with a budgeted studio production?

Well if you want to give us the money to rent a Panavision 35mm camera, the money for the reels of film, the money for all developing costs, the money for professional digital scanning and all the other things attached to filming in 35mm and we'll gladly use film. And all that just to film a hologram shot and a brief distant walking shot?

But in the real world we use what we can that can still give us the results we want at the smallest costs. Funny how i have already shown a clip a long while ago that incorporated footage shot with a standard consumer camera ( before we got the Sony Z1) , yet NOT ONE person commented that the footage didn't match the original and stuck out as being digital.

It's just a fan edit after all.

Just announced that the new animated series is going to be Star Wars: Rebels.

It is to be set between Eps 3 & 4.

More details (and a video) can be found here:

http://starwars.com/news/new-animated-series-star-wars-rebels-coming-fall-2014.html

It does look like Disney are wanting to move more towards the OT and away from the PT.

 
2014 ‘Star Wars: Rebels’ animated tv series - Wookieepedia Page : Lucasfilm Wiki Page : IMDB Page : Wikipedia Page

Well i do have to thanks that guy. If it wasn't for him i wouldn't be doing ESB Revisited with a DTS soundtrack. He's the one that made me realise that Star Wars should be heard in DTS ;)

^^^^That shot is being replaced with the new Wampa

Maybe because you haven't seen the wampa scene from the OT in a while is why you have wanted to change the music. As i have said before, it's been butchered for the SE and the cues don't match too well. Re-watch the scene as it was originally and you will see that there is nothing wrong with the music , or the way its edited, in that scene. And that's the way it will be in Revisited

Asteroid-Man said:

...soooooooo was anything done to fix the continuity mistake in terms cutting in cave? You know how Luke swipes 10-meters away from the Wampa and the arm falls into frame? 

Every time I ask this question, people go off on a tangent about icicles and music and things that don't need to be changed. 

I'm merely asking if this was even addressed by ady.

There is no mistake there at all. Look closely at that scene again. The Wampa is hell of a lot closer than you think. Plus Luke is lunging forward as he takes the swing. He only cuts the arm off below the elbow, although they really screwed it up in the special edition and had the whole arm severed.

Saw it yesterday. Luckily we have the new digital 72 foot Giant Screen in Birmingham. A much better 3D system by far. No crosstalk at al and proper brightness and colours. This film looked amazing in 3D. It just shows that 3D needs a good system to get the most out of it. The 3D in this film was perfect that it did surprise me when watching it how many people have said that the 3D wasn't good. It was the best i had ever seen.And the sound system there was unbelievable. Doubt i will go to any other cinema to see a 3D film again.

The film itself was a great ride. The only thing that slightly annoyed me was Benedict playing Khan. Yeh, i know it's an alternate timeline and all that, but Khan and his cohorts were created BEFORE the timeline went off in the new direction. So why has he suddenly changed race? Wasn't Khan supposed to have been Indian? Not a British white guy? But apart from that Benedict played a good villain, even if he wasn't the main one.

The SPFX were amazing. Really liked the new Warp FX (especially in 3D). The lens flares were tones right down, nothing like the first one.

Johnny Ringo said:

Prime spock [Nimoy] makes an appearance. He tells Quinto-Spock that he doesn't want to interfere - then tells him how dangerous Khan is - then doesn't bother to tell him ANYTHING USEFUL in defeating that man. Pointless cameo was pointless.

The scene cuts off before Spock gives the information.

Ryan McAvoy said:

As long as it isn't adding an extra shot of Vader looking down at luke falling and going "Noooooooooooooooo!".

Hmm, now you have given me an idea.........

;)

Instead of using the John Williams Main Title theme i would suggest using this instead:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJwa9mX0bxA

It's obvious when listening to it just how much the main theme was influenced by this track.

Plus, instead of using the Star wars logo from the trailer, just go straight into the recreated original crawl, because that is how the original workprint Star Wars title would have appeared, plus you don't really need it twice.

Ryan McAvoy said:

fishmanlee said:

You could take Cantina band, and make it sound like it is being played on set?

Not sure how I would do that. Again another idea for the "purist" edit.

Maybe there is a recording of some bar band doing the cantina music?

A few considerations:

http://youtu.be/I7E5HtyX474?t=1m48s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFkIU7NWVEA

http://youtu.be/57cYKWCC4_o

http://youtu.be/W_LBjPcFG8c?t=57s

http://youtu.be/xjguw0OsAt4?t=28s

http://youtu.be/MrsDUuEWRhw

PLOTTING THE SCALE FOR THE HOTH TRANSPORT HANGAR MINIATURE:

Using foam board, i have cut out some rough plates so i can determine what the final scale for the miniature will be. I have used a 1/72 Fine Molds X-wing to determine the scale. The pepsi can is there to give you an idea of the size of this thing...

It's to replace the background in this shot, in case anyone is not sure which one i'm talking about....

The original cut of the cave scene is perfect, along with the  music. It's only when you get to the butchered Special Edition version that this scene falls apart.

We have to hear the Wampa roaring in the background. It sets up the peril. If it was silent apart from ambient sounds then it would just look like Luke was just trying to escape from a cave. There is no threat there at all. It's the Wampa's roaring that wakes Luke. Hearing the Wampa getting closer and seeing just a part of him as he approaches builds the tension. Is Luke going to be able to escape in time?

But then they ruined this for the Special Edition. It's the whole Jaws thing. If they had been able to do a better shark then it would have been on screen more and the film wouldn't have had the same impact. And this was proved with all the extra Wampa footage. Sometimes the limitations of technology at the time can create something perfect.

So the scene will be as it was in 1980 but with a new Wampa added in a couple of shots.

imperialscum said:

It's been pretty well documented that it was because he had already introduced Chewie as a character that can fly a spaceship and have intelligence and that Wookiees could no longer be the "primitive" race to defeat the Empire that George wanted.

I agree, that was one of the main reasons too.

Even Gary Kurtz said that he became disillusioned with George after ESB  when he noticed that his priorities had changed from Story and character and focused more on selling toys.

Well not "even". Kurtz was pretty much the one who came up with that crap. It was in that interview where he tried to convince people that he left because Lucas changed his priorities... to suppress the fact that he got fired because ESB spiralled over-budget.

yeh, right. he got fired because of the budget problems with ESB. You don't seriously believe that revisionist bull do you? If that crap is supposed to be true then wouldn't he have been fired once ESB was finished and NOT well after this had already been released and they had already started work on Jedi? They fell out over the direction Jedi was taking and they parted ways. If it was down to him being fired over ESB's budget then he would have been gone long before work started on Jedi.

It's so easy to see through the revisionist lies.

The Nerd said:

adywan said:

Yeh, this was discussed a long time ago. I went through and watched everything in depth to see what could be added, but then realised that nothing needs to be added. The Imperial fleet are long gone by the time Luke and the last few stragglers leave. Vader is after the Falcon and we see that they are pursuing Han & co. Vader and the other ships are there too. Vader isn't bothered about defeating the Rebels but only interested in getting Luke. He knows that capturing the Falcon is the key to ensnaring his son or that Luke may be onboard the Falcon. So Vader and the fleet blockade are gone, enabling Luke's easy escape.

What about adding in a scene where some Star Destroyers attack Bright Hope. BH is the last ship seen leaving as Luke gets ready to leave. More info is here: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Bright_Hope#Battle_of_Hoth

You don't have to show that much, just do something like this:

The ships takes of (img 1), we see a closer shot of the ship (img 2), a Star Destroyer fires on it (img 3). We then cut to Luke's X-Wing leaving the planet. I think we shouldn't get to see what happen to BH, but if you want to, then it's fine by me.

 

 

They gave the transport a name? Oh god. And people wonder why i hate the EU and completely disregard anything to do with the EU for my edits ;)

But seriously, we already have a scene that shows a transport escaping. The film doesn't need another one. Adding in scenes just for the hell of it or to show something we don't really need to see completely destroys the flow of the film. You only have to look at the added scenes of Vader flying to his shuttle to see just how adding wrong something like that is.

imperialscum said:

generalfrevious said:

The Ewoks only existed to sell toys. Everyone knows this. 

That's a dumb statement. The furry creatures were part of the story from the beginning. They changed it from Wookiees to Ewoks because it is harder to get lots of 2.20m actors then lots of short ones.

completely wrong there. It was originally wookiees in Georges treatment but the reason he didn't use Wookiees had nothing to do with finding actors ( i don't know where you get that information from because i have never seen that reasoning anywhere). It's been pretty well documented that it was because he had already introduced Chewie as a character that can fly a spaceship and have intelligence and that Wookiees could no longer be the "primitive" race to defeat the Empire that George wanted. Early on in the writing of "Revenge", Endor was going to be populated with a race of Yuzzums (which the yuzzum ended up in Jabba's palace and then as a singer in the SE's). Ewoks weren't even part of the of the story until later on. Even Gary Kurtz said that he became disillusioned with George after ESB  when he noticed that his priorities had changed from Story and character and focused more on selling toys. 

When you see the early designs for the Ewoks you can see in their final design that their sole purpose was to look cute and look similar to Teddy bears to sell toys. Nothing more. The only reason we got the headdresses was because the costumes were too hot and they had to cut a hole in the back of the head for ventilation so they had to add the headdresses to hide this. Otherwise there would have looked almost identical to the childs toy. 

So Not a dumb statement at all.