adywan

danny_boy said:

 

I actually have the Sony vw1000es 4K home cinema projector.

The Star War's blu's(both prequel and original) look absolutely phenomenal on it.

But.....

Due to the increased resolution offered by the projector....(all be it upscaled) the limitations of the analogue techniques used in making the OUT are far more pronounced.

In particular , scenes and shots which where optically composited exhibit noticibly softer looking images than 1st generation material.

4K(and to a lesser extent 2K) is ruthless in exposing these discrepencies.

By  their nature large portions of the original films featured such material.

A 4K master and a  4K Digital Cinema Package(DCP) may be too "harsh" on the OUT .

One of the reasons why Lucas opted for a 2K master.

Can't disagree with you more on this. They look terrible projected at 4k. TPM is actually worse than any of the OT, but AOTC & ROTS do look good. The problem you are seeing has nothing to do with the techniques used at the time of filming, but the way the transfer was mastered. The worse shots are the ones that weren't recomposited. Instead they just DVNR'd these shots to death. You can even see that they did this to some elements that they did recomposite. Plus, the scanning done in the 90's for these elements produced a lot softer results than a scan done today and, with the special edition, we're pretty much stuck with that. That's you problem right there as to why they look so soft. Add Lowry's so called clean up into the process and this is what you get.

Now, the person who invited me to the 4k viewing , also had something that came as a little surprise. He had a 4k scan of a 70mm reel from ESB (which is why he invited me really it turns out). It was unfaded, which came as a bit of a surprise. Now we compared this to the blu-ray and the 4k scan looked so much better, even if it was dirtier. Now this shouldn't have been the case, right? we did some side by side comparisons with some screenshots and there are effects shots that are smeared to hell on the blu-rays and have some very bad artefacts caused by this. I just wish that he had more than one reel so i could have done some more comparisons (and that he would have given me a copy of the scan). He also had a full scan of a tecnicolor ANH, which we only had time to watch bits. That looked amazing but it was noticeable which shots George deliberately downgraded.

So, redo all the compositing using todays tech and don't scrub the hell out of the elements and you will see a hell of a lot of difference.

Why did George only scan the OT in 2k? Because of the 2 PT films being shot in 1080p? Does he really want his older films looking better than he new ones with the tech that he was pushing so hard for? Probably not

But the blu-rays of the OT were such a piss poor job i can't see how anyone can say they look amazing, because they don't, especially when projected @4k.

Those films could look hell of a lot better than they do now if only someone who gives more of a crap about the quality than just getting the job done and maximize the profits.

Darth Solo said:

Again, was there anything frikken lost with that last miss-happening??

Noting would have been lost because anything would have been stored on an SD card and i never leave the card in the camera and always transfer everything to the PC immediately after filming.

But everything is sorted now. I will have a new camera in the next few days thanks to the help of some very kind people.

As Canon have already discontinued the 650D (probably because of the freezing/ crashing problems people were reporting), I will be getting the 700D. Same camera with a few alterations, and around the same price as the 650D but with a 2 year guarantee.

HotRod said:

Kwikfit??? As in the tyre, exhaust place??

 

yep, the same ones. There aren't many insurance companies that will insure my house, because its of none standard construction (steel frame prefab) and they were a hell of a lot cheaper than the others that would (over £200 cheaper). Funny thing is that i have just received my renewal forms today and they have increased it by over £150. Well screw them. They've just lost a customer. Signed up with another company that were much cheaper and it's a hell of a better policy, so i had great pleasure in ringing kwikfit to inform them that i will not be renewing with them. :)

Ryan, love that meme :)

I signed the insurance form and sent it back, so they have a copy. It was all done during the week i was moving house so i was juggling so much stuff at the time. They didn't ask for the serial number. just the model number as a description of the item, on the form.  It's my fault as i should have checked everything but, at the time, it was a madhouse having purchased the new house, arranging the move, packing and sorting out all the insurance, utilities etc all in the space of less than a week. Looking back i have no idea how we managed to get all that done. So i have no legal standing whatsoever.

Ronster said:

So are you gonna tell us how you made them trees or what?

Because it looks like we are all stumped....(lol)

I already have above^^^^^

Darth Solo said:

Dagobah trees on hoth???

Eye spy with my little eye.....the sheild generator model in the background aswell. Pluckin whoa master Ady!

Highly doubt it but what about adding McQuarries:

If things go according to plan then you may see this creature on Dagobah.

.Mac. said:

As far as I am concerned Ady, those (baby) trees were delivered directly from Dagobah - that's how real they look. The attention to detail on everything there is incredible. Probably not, but do you think you'll need to use these again for any shot in ROTJ (while Luke visits Yoda)?

Well i will be filming a shot for ROTJ:R while i am filming the ESB:R dagobah shots. So, there will be a shot for ROTJ:R completed before ESB:R is completed. But there is only one shot that i would need the trees for so it can all be dismantled once filming has finished

Hotrod, i tried Olivio and couldn't stand the taste.

Ryan McAvoy said:

Final go at guessing. Are the trees wrapped in kitchen paper dipped in PVA?

And the winner is.......

nope

Ryan McAvoy said:

The "Bark" is scrunched up tin foil right?

Nope

Sojourn said:

Gorgeous! Is the texture painted on, or is the "bark" actually textured? Either way, it looks beautiful! Thanks so much for sharing. 

The "bark" is textured.

A couple more BTS shots:

Dagobah trees during stage 1 & 2 of painting

Dagobah trees after stage 3 paint & completed

You can't flip any of those shots without creating more continuity errors. You flip the shot of him walking up stairs and Han & co are coming from the wrong direction from the previous shot and Hans gun belt is also on the wrong side. Flip the shot of lobot coming down the stairs and the stormtroopers are reversed (and you can't just flip Lobot either). It's only a problem since the SE's, thanks to the window as the original "windows" could well have had the corridor go all the way around the back. But, Lobot could always have doubled back when the attention was not focused on the rear wall, so i see no need to do anything here.

The large explosion in the clip was the original explosion they were going to use for the shield generator destruction

Those windows would be on the inside and not the outside of the building because the corridor goes all the way around, so it would be more like a central courtyard. But the way they are designed, they are more like ornate lighting than actual windows.

Grythandril said:

this is a question for Adywan regarding the first shot of the executor Bridge with vader.

Have noticed throughout the film that Vader seems to have 2 personal guards.  They appear in various scenes.

1. Removing needa dead body. 

2. Standing beside Vader with the bounty hunters.

3. Standing outside his quarters when piett enters 

However at the start of the bridge scene there is only one guard on the right hand side. So i made this little mock up picture (not very good at this) which show two guards on either side and thus eliminating the officer on the left (which i think is clearly piett.)

[IMG]http://imageshack.us/a/img607/11/j5mt.jpg[/IMG]

will you be altering this or leaving it at it stands?

I'll be leaving it as it stands. the second guard could just be a few paces from the other but be hidden.

And Ronster, love seeing your ideas. Even though they probably aren't what i would want to do for this edit, they could be of use to other editors. So don't feel that just because i may say no to an idea that you should stop.

As i have said before, there isn't a Yoda surprise. It was a surprise meant for Luke and not the audience. If it was meant to be a surprise then they wouldn't have used him in the promotional material prior to the films release.

I've seen fans that try to explain Yoda's crazy behaviour when we first see him as it being down to him living secluded so long on Dagobah. But this is completely wrong. He is only acting that way to fool Luke. It was more of a test to see if Luke was open minded enough to think that this little green goblin could be the greatest jedi master. he failed.

So there really isn't a problem with having Yoda in the prequels. No surprises spoilt.

There will be no speech. I just think it's a bit cheesy for the ending. It will be a new ending the will round the saga off and it will most probably be dialogue-less. That's a big part of the saga and i don't want to change that. It's the same as the stardestroyer opening in the OT.

Lord Haseo said:

Has anyone else noticed that Adywan taking out the Darth Vader scenes in ROTS doesn't keep the "No, I am your father" reveal a secret until ESB? I've read on facebook that the last we see of Anakin in ROTS is when he's on that medical stretcher thing on Coruscant after he was beaten by Obi-Wan. We can obviously assume that he survived without being shown how he exactly got put into the suit. Plus, before Vader and Obi-Wan duel Vader says " I've been waiting for you, Obi-Wan. We meet again, at last. The circle is now complete. When I left you, I was but the learner; now I am the master." Anyone with half a brain can come to the conclusion that Vader is Anakin. Also, when Aunt Beru says "He has too much of his father in him." and Uncle Owen responds "That's what I'm afraid of." you don't think anyone is going to come to the obvious conclusion that Vader is Luke's father after Obi-Wan and Vader's conversation if they are watching this in order? 

Where on facebook did you read that, because i'm pretty sure i haven't said that at all because that was never in my plans. What i have said is the last we will see of Anakin is after the duel and he is lying still, presumed to be dead. There will be a lot of new stuff filmed for the prequels. This will not just be an edit using existing footage. It's impossible to do what i want to do if i was to go down that route. I've figured out a way of Obi-wan having a pupil that has turned to the dark side and that's why Yoda is reluctant for him to train Anakin. I've also figured out a way of introducing Vader in ROTS without being able to connect him to Anakin. The reveal can be left intact. Yes, anyone that has already seen all the films will know of course, but fresh viewers who know nothing about the story, won't. It's actually such an easy fix (well i say easy, but extra scenes have to be filmed) that Lucas could easily have done this without ruining the OT. All that was needed was to throw in a few curve balls to throw the audience off. He could easily have introduced the suited vader without us knowing he was Anakin. It was just pure fanwank the way it was handled. After all, the Emperor had a different apprentice each episode, it became a villain of the week sort of thing.

Ronster said:

The first close up shot of leia shooting has 3 troopers and none of them step over anyone the first trooper get's shot? The trooper stepping over dead one in chewies area is correct nothing wrong with it.

Check it again. this is the first close-up we see of the stormtroopers getting shot and it's leia doing the shooting> keep you eye on the stormtooper i've marked with the arrow.

You can plainly see he is stepping over the body of the stormtrooper that doesn't die until Chewie shoots him later.

Ronster, you seem to be over-thinking this scene, but in your fixing , you are creating more problems. If you have leia coming from that direction in the end then she would be in front of Chewie the whole time. Plus the screams need only be there when they are running past the people. there is a passage to time between that shot and them reaching the platform door and chewie and R2 are behind Lando and leia. Chewie covers the way the came and Leia covers the other direction. You seem so concerned about chewie shooting stormtroopers in the wrong area, but to fix it you are flipping shots to create continuity problems. But did you notice that the first close-up shot of the stormtroopers by the stairs being shot (by Leia) is actually set AFTER the stormtrooper that is shot by chewie as the rear trooper can be seen stepping over the dead body of the dead one?

But the other fixes you spoke of (lights turned out and no smoke or sparks on shot trooper) have already been fixed a while ago. Unfortunately the video i posted on youtube has been blocked so has now been deleted.

Just got back from seeing it - bag of shite. Just can't be bothered to say any more at this point it's got me so pissed off.

Well he has just posted the entire footage. Unfortunately it's only being shared with people on his friends list. We're hoping he will change the settings so others can view.

some really interesting footage. The 2 deleted scenes are the Anchorhead  ones. but these are from beginning to end with no fade in/ out. They seem to be the versions that were on the behind the magic CD-ROM with some slight differences. But the behind the scenes footage is pretty cool. It is silent and it is all again from the Anchorhead scenes but does feature a short shot of Luke running into the station and then the gang walking back out. Some shots of Marcia and George, some rehearsing with a droid, a snippet of Koo Stark on set but mainly it's Luke and Biggs in between shooting.

All in all it's pretty cool. It's nice to see new stuff emerging after all these years

EDIT: He has now changed it to public. All credit goes to Jason Eaton for this footage:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10151755865343156

brimforge said:

 

Nope, Ady is correct on position of Vaders hands for continutiy - in ANH he often held unto his belt too ...

http://www.jedi1.net/jedi1.net/images/1600/ANH-Darth_Vader-04592-1600.jpg

 

the main problem, and here is judging the screencap, is the angle and the way his hands are holding the belt in this shot - so maybe it is just a "delusion of the eye", but it would have been better if the actor had grabbed his belt more like this:

http://www.dailydesigninspiration.com/diverse/3d/jasonmartin/Darth-Vader.jpg

 

If you want to get an idea of how Vader holds onto his belt, then the best way of researching this is not to go to any CG figure or someone else in the suit, but Darth Vader only when Dave Prowse is in the costume.:

As you can see, the way the hands are placed in the hologram are correct.

You know, no matter what i did with the Vadergram, i just can't win. complaining that he looks too short, now that he is filmed at the correct angle to the holoprojector - but if it had been filmed at the original angle then people would complain that it's at the wrong angle and he looks like he is leaning back, especially now the figure would be able to be seen more clearly than the super fuzzy original. When i was doing ANH there was the whole "hands on hips" thing going then. But then it was people wanting me to remove the pantomime hands on hips gesture. Now it's complaints about changing it. Vader's stance, more often than not, is the hands close to the belt buckle. That's the posture i wanted for the hologram and that's the one i'm sticking with.It doesn't change the original feeling of the original in any way - only the way that you see it. It's still just Vader, on a hologram, getting a report about the landing from Veers. He wouldn't be striking an impatient stance because it's right at the beginning of the battle. The thing has just started. Would Vader really be getting impatient that early on? No. He is just receiving an update.

It's pretty clear that people interpret things in so many different way. If i was gong to change things just because of the way people interpret something,  then i would have to do a million different versions.

How are you seeing 2 doors onto the landing platform? We see there is only 1 door when they land. There isn't anything wrong with that scene. everyone is where they should be; Chewie is holding them off from the direction they approached the platform and Leia is holding them off from the other direction