adywan

There was no other cut of ESB shown in any cinemas in 1980. Very minor differences between the 70mm and 35mm but the only different scenes were the ones shot after the 70mm was completed and shipped to the duplicating house, of the rebel fleet at the end.

This is just his memory mixing stuff up. It's the same as people swearing they saw Luke miss the first time with the grappling hook, seeing the Luke/Biggs scenes in the film etc

Going through what he claimed to have seen

RED BACTA TANK - He's remembering the Ralph McQuarrie concept painting. When it came to filming they lit the Bacta Tank with a red light from underneath. But, the added illumination from above bleached out the red under lighting. There was no red liquid clearing up at all.

Dead Tauntauns. Nope, a brief glimpse exists in the released film. A picture of 2-1B examining the Tauntaun was seen in publicity pictures and the sticker book. A few more lines were added into the marvel adaptation.

WAMPA ATTACK -  Definitely NOT in any cut. It didn't work early on and the sequence was scrapped during filming. It was never finished.

WAMPA TRAP - again it was not included

BACTA MASK - A photo of 2-1B taking off the mask existed back in 79-80. the scene was also included in the Marvel comic adaptation.

GENERAL VEERS DEATH -  This was in the novel but was cut out early in the editing stages, before any effects shots were complete. It was included in the black and white workprint. When the scene was cut the effects shots that were already completed were used for when Luke destroys the AT-AT.

LEIA & HAN ON CLOUD CITY CONVERSING AND KISSING - Again in the marvel adaptation and the novel

HAN SOLO TORTURE - He is describing exactly what happens in the movie

Ronster said:

I'm sorry I keep posting I am not trying to hog this thread but I have a pretty concrete answer on the missing scene from the snowspeeders in the Hanger found via music cues.

This animation found in Jamie Bennings "Building Empire" @32.29 Is the missing 2.5 seconds that John williams scored the music to before seeing the AT-AT's attack.

 No, it isn't. that animatic is the shot where the speeders approach that is in the movie

Some new images from TFA

http://www.ew.com/gallery/star-wars-force-awakens-first-look-gallery

and part 1 of their article:

http://www.ew.com/article/2015/08/12/star-wars-luke-skywalker-hooked-jj-abrams

and part 2

http://www.ew.com/article/2015/08/12/star-wars-force-awakens-kylo-ren

You can download it to a USB drive or and ISO to burn to a DVD. No need to wait for the notification. Just download this tool, run it and select which version you want

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10

It's NOT a hand. It's clearly visible thanks to the HD versions now.

ZkinandBonez said:

ray_afraid said:

emanswfan said:

Note how BB-8 is being puppeteered.

 Like a puppet on a stick... interesting.

Is that BB-8 though? It looks like it has wheels. The body also looks kind of boxy.
It could be that Rey had a droid before she met BB-8. Kind of like Luke's tool droid on Tatooine before he meets R2-D2 and C-3PO.

 Yeh, it's definitely BB-8

And did no one notice the Millennium Falcon in this shot? ;) (Click for larger image)

it's fake. I brightened the image, did a quick google search, and found the stock photo they used to create it

Ronster said:

 The whole thing that has me in disagreement about this particular clip is that the pause works so incredibly well and it was how it was recorded, so this is what really has me scratching my head about that particular point.

But it wasn't how it was  recorded, that's the thing. It was two separately recorded pieces edited together for nothing more than the soundtrack CD. On the original soundtrack double vinyl LP they were two separate tracks also.

xxtelecine 7xx said:

Then why did you change vaders's eyes in ANH revisited?   

 Not because i thought the red eyes were dumb. ;)

Actually it was more down to the fact that the red lenses used were not very well tinted. It caused the viewer to be able to see the face behind the mask. Back in '77 you weren't sure if Vader was man or machine or what he was ( which the prequels ruin if you watch them in order), but seeing a human face behind the eyes kind of spoiled that thanks to home video. When i started ANH:R, that was one of the first things i changed. It helped mask the face behind it. I was still learning the tools at the time as i had never touched any grading or fx software before and just plain darkening the eyes didn't yield good enough results. Plus, the colouring is so messed up on the DVDs/ BluRays that his lenses aren't red throughout. It was either alter the shots where you could see how red the lenses were, which was easy with desaturation, or mask every shot and recolour them red throughout. Again, at the time, i was still learning and wasn't sure how to accomplish that.  Another reason was to give continuity with the colour of the other two helmets from ESB & ROTJ ( i was going to remove the yellow tint from ROTJ). Now i know how to remove the face but keep the lenses intact and have them consistent throughout, and that i'm not going to alter them in ROTJ, the red eyes will be back when i do the HD version.

xxtelecine 7xx said:

Yeah.  The sabers really got to me.  As well of the ridicules decision to to make vader's eyes red.  That alone makes no sense.  I can understand the funny warping effect of his actual helmet but the red eyes??? Dumb. If  Lucas wanted his eyes red he would have vader eyes red in EBS and  ROTJ and even ROTS

 Check out the "birth of Vader" scene in ROTS. They deliberately had his visual eye display as bright red to match his ANH "red lens". Yet for some unknown reason, they chose not to use the red lenses in the ROTS helmet, but went with a more ROTJ yellow lens. As this show is to  bridge the gap between ROTS & ANH, as is set just a few years before ANH, it certainly isn't a "dumb" move to have him with the red lenses.

ray_afraid said:

The show looks really stupid though.

 The show is actually pretty good. The opening episode of season 2 was a great episode

xxtelecine 7xx said:

You know there are a lot of other forums out there where it is a bitch fest about the direction to use fencing type sabers.  I think I will take this there.  

 And most of that bitching is because they don't even realise that the whole show is stylised on the original McQuarrie/ Johnston designs. The Clone wars characters  were stylised on the Thunderbirds puppets qand they never seemed to mind that series so much. At least Rebels is based upon the look of something actually connected to the Star Wars universe and it's development, not just ripped off from a kids puppet show

Ronster said:

I noticed something about a month a go and put it into practice today..

I added the full music cue for the snow speeders preparing to go in to battle.

Adding the full music cue reveals that potentially this sequence has a missing scene of around 2.5 seconds. Although there are no notes in the script to suggest what it would be, It may well have been planned to show the snow speeders actually launching out of echo base through the tunnel.

Not asking for a shot like this to be done but it is an interesting find and could well serve the restored music section you have planned for your special features supplement but if you also decided that it would be something cool to do considering you have a miniature rebel hanger on your hands I won't complain if you decide to have a stab at adding something :).

Anyway it's a rough and quick demonstration of the full cue with a blank for where I think the scene would go but if there is a missing scene, it really could have gone anywhere within this sequence of quick cuts and may have been another shot of people running about for all we know. But it is a discovery worth sharing even for curiosity sake. To be honest it's a big guess with very little evidence to back up anything particularly concrete of there being either a missing scene or what it might of been.

Anyway you can check the music cue here.

http://vimeo.com/132415547

 I take it you are basing this upon the track " The battle of Hoth" on the soundtrack CD, right? These are separately recorded pieces. edited together for the sole purpose of the soundtrack cd. The gap between the two track most likely would not have even meant to be there when applied to the film. Remove the gap, sync the music on the soundtrack cd to where it appears in the film, and this is what you get. So, there is nothing missing

https://youtu.be/f7_X4HBr4bE

Grythandril said:

Sorry for being a pain but i noticed something about the altered bridge scene and had to mention it

I apologise if this has been mentioned as I have been away from this forum for quite a while.  Just catching up

Quote "Remember how Vader passed a black-clad Imperial officer as he exited down the steps from the bridge during his last appearance in the movie? - except the officer *wasn't* there in the previous shot? "

In last bridge scene Admiral Piett was also on the bridge and he was looking in fear at vader walking from left to right to the bridge stairs.

But the image looks like Admiral piett is on the right hand side of the bridge, so he cant look from left to right if he is on the right hand side.

 

 And he remains on the right hand side... ;)

No, i looked at the video before commenting. Lightsaber tips were always rounded until Episodes 2 & 3 (they were old school in episode 1) , when the pointy option kicked in. It's just something i can't stand about the prequel sabers.

As for Rebels, then i can't see why that would make you worried about the sabers in episode 7. Rebels designs are heavily influenced by the classic Ralph McQuarrie designs/ concept paintings. The style of the sabers are taken directly from those, as Dave Filoni has himself said.

poita said:

adywan said:

poita said:

I've had a few PMs worried that it looks a bit 'dark', the original file is 16bits per pixel, so the shadow detail is all in there.

e.g. Here it is massively overexposed.

 It's great to see that all the detail is still there in the dark areas and can be easily pulled out. :) That looks to be a great print

 Thanks, the print was supposed to be cleaned before scanning, the cleaning wasn't anywhere near as thorough as it could have been, so there is more dirt than is strictly necessary to be cleaned up, but the shadow detail does seem to be intact on the print. Some prints of Jedi in particular just don't have anything in the shadows to extract.

I hope it will turn out to be useful in your efforts Adywan.

 Yes, it will be very useful :)

poita said:

I've had a few PMs worried that it looks a bit 'dark', the original file is 16bits per pixel, so the shadow detail is all in there.

e.g. Here it is massively overexposed.

 It's great to see that all the detail is still there in the dark areas and can be easily pulled out. :) That looks to be a great print

team negative 1, you are posting in an open forum. anyone can see your posts, if they have registered or not. If Disney wanted to find you, then all they would need to do is get their legal team involved, force jay to log ip addresses when you post and they could find you without problem. The last thing they would bother with is voice recognition. You are in no way protected as it is, so hiding your voices is a waste of time.

I see you have made the lightsabers "prequelised" by giving them the pointed tip :(

BuddhaMaster said:

And then someone said a trailer does not represent a final look of a movie. That is to say they do additionally re-grade a trailer to show off? They do show a movie-preview with a different color than the final release?

Seriously that is questionable.

Why so much pandering? Is everyone so insecure.

 When a trailer is made, especially one that is shown up to a year before the film comes out, then the chances are that the film grading hasn't even begun yet. The clips are assembled and then the grading is done. These clips could be in their raw ungraded state. And , like i said before,most likely not by the same person who would be grading the final film . This is why the grading ends up looking different in the final film.  Even back when Star Wars showed its very first trailer, the grading was different than what we saw in the final film. It's not a new thing.  So, no, they don't additionally regrade a trailer just to show off at all.

You can't really use the grading done for a trailer to indicate what the final film will look like. Those two new pics taken on what looks to be a camera phone off a projected screen, well by all accounts those are from the full trailer which is being finalised right now to be shown at comic con. The trailers were most likely handed off to a different department, not actually working closely or at all on the film. Ryan's link to the video proves just how different a trailer can look form the finished film.

In your blog, you use pictures taken from the GOUT ESB to prove your point. Well it's  known just how inaccurate the original colouring is represented with that release. It's cyan layer had already started to fade off the print the source was taken from. You can tell that it has already red shifted. A hell of a lot of blues are gone. 

You mention how orange Boyega's armour is in that one shot. It comes right after the shot of the TIE blowing up the hangar. It was either graded like that so it follows on and looks to be part of that shot, or it is in fact part of that scene and the orange is lighting from the fire in the hangar. No one knows right now until we actually see the film and see these clips in their context. Maybe it's best to wait until the film is out first?

One thing i noticed on trailer#1, when Finn pops up at the beginning you now hear radio chatter in the background instead of the probe droid.

_,,,^..^,,,_ said:

New users must post first in the presentation forum, but I made you Project Maker there right now, so now you must be free to visit any forum/threads!

 Thank you :)

Wow, the trailers look so much better. There is detail there that i couldn't see in the online versions.

_,,,^..^,,,_ said:

As I wrote in the first post: "Notes: you need to sign up to see the first post with links." - just sign up, it's free, so you can read the post (and links); plus, I'll make you power user immediately!

Jedit: as per OT rules, I can't post direct download links...

 I had already signed up and the account had been activated. I'm logged in and can see the forum, but clicking on that link takes me to this page

Can't access the page either. I just get " you do not have permission to access the page"

I've just watched the preview, and i have to mirror what Harmy said. But i can't understand why the compression is as bad as it is. The bitrate is certainly not low enough for it to affect it this bad. It's almost as if its been encoded from a second generation , highly compressed source. Checking the bitrate info its reported as an overall bitrate of 20mb/s. So at that bitrate , most of the detail should still be there.

It seems like you spliced two sources together for the scroll from the way the stars just fade out after the crawl disappears. If you are having to splice two sources together, it would be better to wait until it at least starts to pan down, or try to recover the stars, because the fade between them is way too noticeable.