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Dat_SW_Guy said:

Shopping Maul said:

canofhumdingers said:

Collipso said:

SilverWook said:

Disney Ruined Star Wars said:

SilverWook said:

If these guys aren’t all being sucked out into space, then a similar emergency field around a small door isn’t a stretch.

Seriously people, we’re nitpicking movies where you can hear sounds in space.

They can have shields that allow for open air on the exterior of the Death Star. Its’ that way when the Falcon lands in the first movie too. But in general I agree with your point, the scientific stuff doesn’t need to be nitpicked as long as its not obvious and really dumb. For instance, the asteroids in the asteroid field would never be that close together in real life. And when the Millenium Falcon flips and spins like it does when it turns around on Bespin, all of the occupants would be thrown around and probably incapacitated if not killed.

Presumably the Falcon’s artificial gravity prevents this. Just like Luke and Han can sit in the gun turrets without seatbelts even though they are facing out the top and bottom of the ship.

Were they? I thought they were both facing forward, but one was at the top and the other at the bottom.

Yes. I wrote a much lengthier post about it some time ago, but the windows you look out in the Gun turrets are flush on the top and bottom of the Falcon. So top gunner is on his back and the bottom gunner is on his belly, relative to the Falcon. ANH is really the only film that actually gets the turrets operation (based on their actual physical design) correct. TFA and TLJ take some major liberties with the physics of how the turrets could really move. Also, even back in the original EU they had the idea that the armored disc the turret window is mounted in could rotate (which is made cannon in TFA) but in reality this would mean the ladder tube you climb up or down into the turrets would not be correctly lined up anymore.

Okay, so I know this is really nerdy, but can you explain where the bunk bed in TFA/TLJ came from? IN ANH that entire area is a kind of messy black wall (you can see it when the Stormtroopers board the Falcon).

In ESB, you see Luke on the same bed.
(Basing from memory of course)

No, that’s a different bunk.

Buy either the 3D Blu-ray or the Disney Big Sleeve edition. They’re on there.

DrDre said:

Barring that they could have created a diversion, such that one of the ships could turn around and lightspeed through the ship. Have Poe make one of his crank calls again. That seemed to keep them preocuppied for a while, long enough for those extremely slow bombers to get close. Better yet, sacrifice another one of the smaller ships, by having it attack Snoke’s ship, turn around another one, and voila, almost everyone get’s to fight another day.

But they couldn’t have done that. They are literally on the outer edge of First Order weapons being effective against their shields. To turn around would have have taken them into that zone and would have been blasted out of the sky. Just look what happened to the medical frigate the second it ran out of fuel. All the info you need is within the film.

DrDre said:

adywan said:

DrDre said:

adywan said:

DrDre said:

Here’s “the guy” again with his spoiler review of TLJ:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOdobc7jtQo

He asks a good question, that I actually had not considered (and neither did RJ apparently): if admiral Holdo can lightspeed through Snoke’s ship to allow the rebels to escape, and we know they’re going pick them off one by one once the chase begins at the start of the film, why didn’t any of the rebels (or better yet a droid) sacrifice themselves at the beginning of the plot by having one of the cruisers lightspeed through Snokes ship, such that everyone can escape?

The only reason Holdo was able to carry out her plan is because the first order had ignored the cruiser as they were fully concentrated on destroying the shuttles. She was able to turn the ship around which, if they had done that earlier, they would be in full range of the first order weapons and would have been blasted out of the sky before they could do anything. And, to the question “why didn’t a droid do it”, well its clear in the film that her original plan was to just keep the chase going while the shuttles escape unnoticed. But, as soon as the first order started destroying the shuttles , she had to think fast and come up with something. Would a droid come up with a plan like that? Not unless it was a tactical military droid. And you have to remember that this is a film. Having a droid sacrifice itself wouldn’t have had the emotional weight of a human sacrificing themselves/

That doesn’t really sound very logical. One of the ships would only have to hyperspace a small distance, namely further out of range of the FO ship, turn around and voila, bye bye Snoke and his ship.

They’d only got one jump left. They were all running out of fuel. Just look how quick the other two ran out. No way they could have done that

They had one jump to get far away. I’m sure a very short distance would have been possible. It’s not like they arrive instantly on their location, with the amount of fuel consumed not depending on the distance travelled. I’m sure it would have cost more fuel, then just flying there waiting to be killed, but they had some six hours worth of fuel, as is stated in the film.

Nowhere did they say “we only have one jump to get far away”. Just “One jump”. That is a narrative rule set in place right there. So you are now bound by that and multiple jumps, no matter how small. That one jump would have consumed too much fuel that they couldn’t have made another ( That is actually stated in the film). For all we know it could have been enough just to jump a short distance but far enough so the First Order couldn’t track where they had gone if they managed to disable the hyperspace tracker. But, like i said before, the other two ships ran out long before the cruiser, so they had a lot less fuel.

DrDre said:

adywan said:

DrDre said:

Here’s “the guy” again with his spoiler review of TLJ:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOdobc7jtQo

He asks a good question, that I actually had not considered (and neither did RJ apparently): if admiral Holdo can lightspeed through Snoke’s ship to allow the rebels to escape, and we know they’re going pick them off one by one once the chase begins at the start of the film, why didn’t any of the rebels (or better yet a droid) sacrifice themselves at the beginning of the plot by having one of the cruisers lightspeed through Snokes ship, such that everyone can escape?

The only reason Holdo was able to carry out her plan is because the first order had ignored the cruiser as they were fully concentrated on destroying the shuttles. She was able to turn the ship around which, if they had done that earlier, they would be in full range of the first order weapons and would have been blasted out of the sky before they could do anything. And, to the question “why didn’t a droid do it”, well its clear in the film that her original plan was to just keep the chase going while the shuttles escape unnoticed. But, as soon as the first order started destroying the shuttles , she had to think fast and come up with something. Would a droid come up with a plan like that? Not unless it was a tactical military droid. And you have to remember that this is a film. Having a droid sacrifice itself wouldn’t have had the emotional weight of a human sacrificing themselves/

That doesn’t really sound very logical. One of the ships would only have to hyperspace a small distance, namely further out of range of the FO ship, turn around and voila, bye bye Snoke and his ship.

They’d only got one jump left. They were all running out of fuel. Just look how quick the other two ran out. No way they could have done that

DrDre said:

Here’s “the guy” again with his spoiler review of TLJ:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOdobc7jtQo

He asks a good question, that I actually had not considered (and neither did RJ apparently): if admiral Holdo can lightspeed through Snoke’s ship to allow the rebels to escape, and we know they’re going pick them off one by one once the chase begins at the start of the film, why didn’t any of the rebels (or better yet a droid) sacrifice themselves at the beginning of the plot by having one of the cruisers lightspeed through Snokes ship, such that everyone can escape?

The only reason Holdo was able to carry out her plan is because the first order had ignored the cruiser as they were fully concentrated on destroying the shuttles. She was able to turn the ship around which, if they had done that earlier, they would be in full range of the first order weapons and would have been blasted out of the sky before they could do anything. And, to the question “why didn’t a droid do it”, well its clear in the film that her original plan was to just keep the chase going while the shuttles escape unnoticed. But, as soon as the first order started destroying the shuttles , she had to think fast and come up with something. Would a droid come up with a plan like that? Not unless it was a tactical military droid. And you have to remember that this is a film. Having a droid sacrifice itself wouldn’t have had the emotional weight of a human sacrificing themselves.

Why not use one of the other ships? Well the Calamari cruiser was a LOT bigger than their other two ships. The other ships probably wouldn’t have done much damage to snokes ship and fighters would have done nothing.

Disney Ruined Star Wars said:

adywan said:

Well the Jedi aren’t exactly without flaws in the OT. You get Obi-wan lying , and Yoda keeping his mouth shut, to Luke about his father because they needed him to defeat the empire. And , when Luke was rushing off to save his friends and ultimately confront vader, Obi-Wan told him that he wouldn’t interfere. The same person that was supposed to be more powerful than we could possibly imagine after being struck down. And then, When Luke was calling out to him to help, completely ignored him. And finally told him that if he didn’t go and face Vader again and kill him that the emperor had won. refused to even listen when Luke said there was still good in him. He just wanted Vader dead.

How are any of these flaws? Obi-wan didn’t lie so much as he obscured the truth to protect Luke. He and Yoda knew that Luke wasn’t ready for that information, it would have destroyed him and turned him to the dark side. Nothing the Jedi did in the original movies was “bad” or “misguided” or “evil”.

They didn’t do it to protect him. They used him. Don’t you think that suddenly finding out , from the guy you were trying to kill, that he is your father and that the people who you thought were trying to help you were lying to you for their own gain, wouldn’t cause this kid some serious pain? That could screw someone up.

When Luke was leaving Dagobah:

YODA: Reckless is he. Now matters are worse.
Obi-Wan: That boy is our last hope
Yoda: NO, there is another,

Oh great. So basically let’s not try to help this kid and intervene. It doesn’t really matter to us if he gets killed. If he survives then great, but if not, we have a back-up. Doesn’t matter whether or not yoda tried to get out of it by saying he wasn’t ready for the burden. If they didn’t think for one second that Vader would use the fact that he was Luke’s Father as an advantage and tell him, then they were idiots. So, yes, they were flawed.

Well the Jedi aren’t exactly without flaws in the OT. You get Obi-wan lying , and Yoda keeping his mouth shut, to Luke about his father because they needed him to defeat the empire. And , when Luke was rushing off to save his friends and ultimately confront vader, Obi-Wan told him that he wouldn’t interfere. The same person that was supposed to be more powerful than we could possibly imagine after being struck down. And then, When Luke was calling out to him to help, completely ignored him. And finally told him that if he didn’t go and face Vader again and kill him that the emperor had won. refused to even listen when Luke said there was still good in him. He just wanted Vader dead.

SilverWook said:

I thought it was one of the elusive escape pods mentioned in the first film.

Yeh, it clearly one of the Falcons escape pods.

MalàStrana said:

KILLOFFPOE said:
Watching TFA again, some lines about Snoke sound ridiculous. Especially Leia talking about Snoke turning Ben.

We can still presume that Luke lied to Leia about that when he left everything behind ?

But Snoke did turn Ben. He had already seduced Ben before Luke’s moment of weakness.

theprequelsrule said:

adywan said:

theprequelsrule said:

For those who are conflicted over TLJ, I recommend playing the game Kotor2 (with the restoration mods of course). The latter shows you how to challenge and subvert Star Wars while still being respectful of the source material. Just an awesome game/experience.

I hope the moderators are okay with me posting this here.

But isn’t that game set a long time before the prequels? so it doesn’t have anything it needs to follow and nobody we know from the films even in it. So no built up expectation in out minds or in the books people have read as to what a certain character should be.

Exactly so. Which is why it works.

But how can that even be a way to show how you should do a so called respectful version of the ST when it doesn’t even have to follow anything that came before it? It can’t.

theprequelsrule said:

For those who are conflicted over TLJ, I recommend playing the game Kotor2 (with the restoration mods of course). The latter shows you how to challenge and subvert Star Wars while still being respectful of the source material. Just an awesome game/experience.

I hope the moderators are okay with me posting this here.

But isn’t that game set a long time before the prequels? so it doesn’t have anything it needs to follow and nobody we know from the films even in it. So no built up expectation in out minds or in the books people have read as to what a certain character should be.

theprequelsrule said:

He makes the ST focusing on Luke’s efforts to rebuild the Jedi and Leia’s efforts to rebuild the Republic. The films are released in 1993, 1995, and 1997.

Sounds a bit like what we got in the prequels to me. Showing how something was built up.

theprequelsrule said:

Wait. They kill Luke? But isn’t this Star Wars: From the Adventures of Luke Skywalker? Umm…

It hasn’t been since Lucas changed it to the story of Anakin Skywalker when the PT started. Now its the saga of the Skywalkers

One thing i thought of recently (not sure if anyone else has posted about this before, so i apologise if they have) is why would the First Order make themselves look so much like the Empire, their ships etc? Well it started me thinking, it’s all about Snoke and Kylo. Snoke plays on Kylo’s wish to be a powerful as his Grandfather. Snoke feeds off this desire as a way to control Kylo and get him to do his bidding. What better way to do it than to have Kylo constantly reminded of the Empire that is grandfather was the Emperors right hand man. He plays himself off like an Emperor figure. Having Kylo as his apprentivce directly mirrors Palpatine and Vader and feeds into this desire.

And we see in TJL that he constantly derides him about not being anywhere near as good as Vader. This makes Kylo want to prove himself. He even has an updated version of his Grandfathers TIE fighter. All to feed into the wanting of Kylo.

That’s just my theory anyway 😉

Matt.F said:

Seeing as this is the thread that everyone’s reading right now, good place to give a ‘heads up’ to fellow British fans…

“The Galaxy Britain Built” is on Thurs 10pm on BBC Four. Documentary with new interviews with Gareth Edwards, Gary Kurtz, Rob Watts, John Mollo and many more. Set your recorders!

An abridged half hour version of the documentary is already available to watch right now on BBC iPlayer.

There is also an hour long special about Joseph Campbell and Star Wars right after it, and the John Williams Prom concert before it too

SilverWook said:

Ok, dial it back people.

Sorry.

J0E said:

dahmage said:

J0E said:

oojason said:

J0E said:

And why didn’t the one chick that Leia was having a lesbian relationship with tell Poe about their plan to evacuate everyone off of the ship? If they did that then Poe wouldn’t have sent Finn and fat asian chick to get captured and have their plan discovered.

‘and fat Asian chick’ has a name - if you can’t be bothered to learn what it is - then it could likely give the impression you didn’t think too much about your post there. Think twice about using that as a description for another person on this site too.

Same for the ‘one chick that Leia was having a lesbian relationship with’.

Okay? I was unaware that describing someone by their race, gender and body size is bad?

Ok cool. So you are terrible on purpose.

I’m not discriminating on that basis nor was I using the description in a derogatory manor, It was a general description.

Edit: When the police ask for a description of a person, is it racist/sexist to say their race, gender, how tall they were, what they were wearing? I’m sorry the character had little impact on me and I couldn’t remember her name.

Even if you didn’t know her name, calling her the “fat Asian chick” was a dick thing to do. Any normal person would have said something like Finn and that asian girl he was with.

This is what luke said when explaining to rey what happened with Ben:

“I saw darkness. I’d sensed it building in him. I’d seen it in moments during his training. But then i looked inside. And it was beyond what i ever imagined ( then you hear lightsabers and screaming). Snoke had already turned his heart. He would bring destruction and pain and death and the end of everything that i loved because of what he would become. And in the briefest moment of pure instinct i thought i could stop it. It passed like a fleeting shadow. And i was left with shame. And with consequence. And the last thing i saw were the eyes of a frightened boy who’s master had failed him.”

MalàStrana said:

It’s one shot which is really an issue, the one where he walks to Ren. The close-ups are fine (I say “bad” for a SW standard !).

Thats the only shot in the whole film that he looked a little fake because of the walking. They still haven’t perfected CG characters walking yet. All the closeups on his face were amazing. best CG work on a humanoid face yet

ChainsawAsh said:

One other thing I’ll say about my second viewing:

Puppet Yoda looked a TON better than I remembered from my first viewing, but every time the fire was directly on his face, he looked weird. I don’t think I’ll have a problem with TLJ puppet Yoda the way I did TPM’s.

That’s the strange thing. First time i watched it was in IMAX and a lot of the effects seemed very smooth and cartoony for some reason. Yoda looked horrendous throughout. Saw it a couple of days later at the 4DX showing and everything looked different. The CG ships no longer looked like cartoons, everyone didn’t look like they had huge dark circles under their eyes and almost dead, like they did in the IMAX showing and yoda Looked almost perfect in all the close-ups shots. It was only the wide shots that had had some CG lighting f**kery added that made him look terrible, but still not as bad as the IMAX showing. The thing i did notice though was how the pupeteers squashed his face up way too much when they closed his mouth, which gave him this strange “puffed out cheeks with no mouth” look

**Double post

The Mind Probe is also a jedi power in canon. Who is to say which one he was talking about? 😉 If someone can say that Luke transmitted his thoughts to Vader, instead of vader reading his mind, then i can say that the mind probe that he was talking about is also the established jedi Mind Probe 😉

And, if we are using wiki, this clears up that Vader was using the mind probe (thus reading Luke’;s mind) in ROTJ 😉
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Mind_probe_(Force_power)

Ryan said:

The OT doesn’t establish that Vader can “read minds”. It’s actually the opposite with Vader having to resort to torture to find out information others have.

So, my theory of what’s going on in the OT is supported by what we see in the OT movies.

It was established that Vader could read minds in ANH. The Mind probe is a Jedi ability to go through peoples minds in order to get useful information. That’s pretty much reading someone’s mind right there. Vader even said in ANH that “Her resistance to the mind probe is considerable” . And he wasn’t talking about the interrogator droid either. that ability was established in the OT. Just because he didn’t just read everyones mind doesn’t mean to say he couldn’t do it. We have seen Jedi have abilities then just don’t use them when they really could do with using them ( jedi speed run, super jump, mind control etc etc) .

So Force users can manipulate non-force users to make them say or do what they want , but they can’t read their minds, yet can read the mind pretty easily of a trained force user? yeh, that seems logical and believable 😉

And, yes Vader DID read luke’s mind in ROTJ. “You’re thoughts betray you. You’re feelings for them are clear, especially…sister…” all this while Luke is trying hard to block Vader from accessing this thoughts. If you think Luke just let all that slip out and projected that direct to Vader, then that really diminishes his character and makes him a very weak individual and a crap jedi. It’s been clear to almost everyone since 1983 that Vader read Luke’s mind. Yet this has only now come up in an poor attempt to say how crap TLJ is.