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#318755
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I have been thinking about adding a very subtle snippet of the Emperors theme to the hologram scene but the music is so great for that scene as it is it would only be a very short sample.

The FX are going to have a clean-up. I'm hoping to do something with the Matte paintings. the main ones would be the cloud city ones. Some you can really tell that they are paintings. Not sure how to pull it off yet (well i have a few ideas but i'm not going to do any tests just yet) .
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[quote=Mielr]
Savage said:

Sojourn said:

Savage said:

If I'm not mistaken, it was from the Radio Drama -- which means that it was indeed Mark Hamill. :-)


I guess that explains why it sounds so much like Mark Hamill after all. :)

Thanks!
I thought I read somewhere that it was from the 35mm mono mix? Maybe I'm wrong.

No, the "Biggs.." line was taken from the radio drama
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Ziz said:

I was gonna say...the 9 at fanedit/RapidShare is the full Revisited version. They list an NTSC Purist 5 on RapidShare and the same as a torrent on Demonoid, as well as various AVI versions, but the only PAL they list is a 5 Revisited, no PAL Purist 5 or 9.


Only a DVD-5 NTSC was released of the Purist and there won't be a PAL or DVD-9 versions I'm afraid
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Savage said:

Lookin' good, Ady.

Look! C3PO's not green anymore!

This will look fantastic just as ANHR does. The only fault I notice from being used to the '04 DVDs is the sky being less saturated, but the first pass does indeed look more like I think it should. Also, R2's dome loses some of its luster by taking out some of the blue, but not bad at all. At least the Falcon isn't blue and 3PO isn't green!

I'm thinking this whole "No really, I'm taking a break." has been a smokescreen from the beginning! :)

Yeh, the problem with the 2004 DVD's existing is that you start to get use to the over saturated colours. The second pass will bring some of the blue back but only in the shots where it is lacking & some shots where it is missing completely (even in the GOUT some shots are lacking blue colouring for the sky). For R2 i have to create a separate mask for his dome in each shot to retain his blue colouring but thats done later. The problem with the colouring of the DVDs isn't actually a blue tint. whats happened is that the cyans have been oversaturated more than other colours and became overpowering, and i'm pretty sure that the colouring was indeed added to hide some problems with missing colour during the restoration work and it seems mainly reds that are missing here.

Well i did have a short break but after 2 years of working on ANHR i just didn't know what to do with myself once the DVD-9s were finished and i was itching to start on ESB. But all i am doing at the moment is the colour correction and then i'm taking a summer break to plan out what needs to be done for the edit before i start work on the FX shots
Ziz said:


I realize you're not up to this point yet, but the sound pitch felt a bit high. I'm guessing that's because you're working from a PAL source and haven't converted it to NTSC yet, so it's a bit off because of the difference in the frame rate?

Yes it will sound higher pitched because of the PAL speed-up.
Amras Felagund said:


BTW, the Executor is also blue throughout this and ROTJ (I think). I'm assuming that's getting the grey treatment as well?

Also, I have an idea for how to have Emperor Palpatine say 'Luke Skywalker' in the transmission, instead of 'young Skywalker'. However, it's too crazy, in my opinion, to be taken seriously. Some would call it 'thinking outside the box'. If said box is the Box of Sanity, I'd agree with them.

(...Man, I'm seriously gonna make or break my credibility on this site with this suggestion. All these people reading how crazy I am...)

My idea involves getting someone to imitate Ian McDiarmid's evil Emperor voice for the phrase "Luke Skywalker", and blending the word "Luke" into the dialogue we already have of Palpatine's. If the joint between Ian McDiarmid's dialogue and the newly recorded "Luke" is too obvious, perhaps a burst of static on the hologram could mask it. Who would do the extra Emperor dialogue, I don't know. Who would take this idea seriously... well, I guess I'll find out soon, won't I?

The Executor has always been a grey-blue colour but it looks horrible on the DVDs so i will be correcting the colour to be closer to its original colouring. Also the TIES are blue in this movie but were grey in ANH. Well that's not strictly true. In ANH the models were a grey-blue colour but due to '70's blue screen techniques they had to be changed to light grey during processing (if you look at some behind the scenes footage you will see that they were a grey-blue colour originally). Now i have received a couple of emails about me changing the colouring of the TIES to grey. One mentioned that the reason they were grey in ANH was because it was to signify the Death Star squadron. well i'm afraid this is another thing that has been made up to cover up the differences in colours. And here's my proof: If this was the case how come that all the Special edition CG TIES have a blue colouring? Surely if the whole Death Star Squadron colouring was true then they would have been grey wouldn't they? Also in Empire the blue colouring has been boosted during composition to bring out the blue but not all shots of the TIES have them as blue but grey. Also in Jedi the TIEs are a light grey with a slight hint of blue & again some shots they are blue, but more grey shots exist. The logical step is to make all the TIEs Grey for continuity.

As for the idea of recording a voice over for the Emperor to say Luke then i'm pretty sure it has been mentioned before somewhere and it is a good idea if it can be pulled off convincingly. The audio is going to be one of the last things i do all apart from this scene where i need to have the dialogue complete for editing purposes. so when i get round to this scene i'll see what i can do with it. Having the original dialogue, or as much as possible, has always been something i wanted to do from the start. The new dialogue is horrible and has to go. If this idea doesn't work then it will stay as "Young Skywalker" because that line still works miles better than how its been changed for the 2004 DVDs
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#318598
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seven said:

I am not sure if someone has mentioned this suggestion before, but have you thought about doing some bluescreen shots with Studio Scaled models to help create some of the FX shots you are planning to do?

I know there are some really talented people who have already built and painted a lot of SW models that are almost identical to the originals.

Maybe you could put out a feeler if there is anyone with such-and-such model, which they would be whiling to allow you to borrow for your shots. In return you can get a nice FX shot, and they can say their model is 'screen used' in Star Wars Revisited. Just a thought.


I tried that with ANH Revisited and it just didn't work. New model shots would really need to be done on film and not video because they just don't match and also done with the correct motion control cameras & rigging.

Anyway here is a short comparison clip showing a short scene of the Hoth battle with the first pass colour correction and the original 2004 DVD colour. Don't forget this is just the first basic colour pass. many elements have to be done later like missing sky colour (which in some shots is also missing from the 2004 DVD's). You can also see just how green C-3PO is in the DVD versions

COLOUR CORRECTION VISUAL COMPARISON XVID 25mb Approx
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#318529
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RoccondilRinon said:


Saying of which, I don't want to sound impatient, but well, I am very eager to see this and share it and Ady, have you sent out the disc yet?


The discs are coming today and i will be posting them out on Saturday
Max_Rebo said:

gavin77 said:

So does anyone have the skill to add the extended Alderan scene to the actual movie, and re-post this on the newsgroups, etc for download?


I don't think many people are that interested in seeing it and I'm not sure Ady would want another alternate version uploaded at this point, it would probably lead to confusion, but if you want to do it it really isn't that difficult just follow the guide here: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/ADigitalMans-Guide-to-MPEG2-AC3-Editing/topic/3444/

I have to say i wouldn't want another version of my edit appearing any time soon on newsgroups especially one with that scene in the movie. That scene was omitted from the final edit for a reason and that is because it doesn't work and the effects were never finished.
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#318498
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thank for the help guys. Luckily i've managed to dig out a pre-thx VHS tape. Just had a quick scan through it and the colour is the same as the GOUT just less saturated & a very slight different tint to it. I'm just going to go with what looks natural. this was never meant to be a restoration project so if the colour is slightly different than the original then I'm not really bothered about that. As long as that horrible tint is gone and the colouring looks natural then i've achieved what i have set out to do.
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#318474
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At the moment i just want to throw the PC out of the window. i'm about half way through the first colour correction pass and its a bloody nightmare. About 1000 times worse than ANH. Some shots are almost beyond repair. The blue tint is so bad in some shots its going to take about 30 separate colour layers to even try to fix them. There are also some bad colour issues with the GOUT so trying to match the colours with that are no longer an option. I wish i could get hold of a Pre-THX release of ESB so i can see what the colours looked like before any form of correction was done, but that's going to be impossible. I never got this stressed out on the first colour pass with ANH. Maybe ESB isn't going to be as easy to do as i first thought.
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#318370
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focuspuller said:

I haven't seen anyone post this (perhaps I missed such a post), but I have a question. Do you plan on a "revisited" and a "purist edition" as before? For example, I frankly like the new Boba Fett voice. I like the actor and the performance. I personally don't don't have a problem with it being left in. This is something a purist cut would resolve. Would you consider such a cut with the new voice left in?

To be honest its very doubtful i would do a purist of ESB. I'm changing the voice of Jango in AOTC when he's masked to sound more like the original Boba so a "purist" to keep the new voice would probably be pointless at the moment
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#318362
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Sevb32 said:

So there will be no musical number in Jabba's palace period? Of course this is a long way off. I couldn't care less right now.

Are you going to cut out all the newer windows in cloud city? Cut the crowd scenes during Lando's evacuation announcements? Add more sky traffic of people evacuting the city as the falcon escapes?

When you say something "does not work" you say it as if it's absolute fact and not just an opinion. Unless you mean that it's a fact that it is your opinion.



Now you are just being childish just because i'm cutting your precious shuttle scene. i have been patient with you until now but you are really starting to piss me off. I have told you the reasons why i will be cutting those scenes time and time again. THEY ARE GONE.PERIOD. I stated right from the start that this version will be closer to the original release with most of the SE additions cut out. Do you have a problem reading what i write? I say that things don't work because that's the way i feel and nothing more. It is my edit after all. you seem to prefer the SE's over the original so this edit will not be for you. Everyone has an opinion and different tastes and i respect that but to keep going on time and time again becomes annoying. And you wonder why people start attacking you. There will be a lot of SE additions that i will be keeping. Most of the new windows, if not all, in cloud city will be in the final edit also.
Sevb32 said:

How is the Wampa some unknown terror when there was a 1980 toy of him and now that we've seen it, how can we be automatically scared again? Maybe true for a new watcher, but no one else.

Big deal there was a toy of him. Just because we have seen him doesn't mean to say that the mystery and suspense can't still be there in a movie now that we have seen him in the SE. In the original Alien movie we never really get to see the alien, same as the wampa in the OUT. But since we have more Alien movies and we know exactly what it looks like but does the fact that we know what it looks like now make Alien lose its suspense? No. Good monsters are the ones that we either never see until the end or just catch the tiniest of glimpses of now and then. The original Wampa edit worked great so i want to return it close to that.
Sevb32 said:

How about ALL the Vader shuttle shots strung together in an extras section? Like you did the ANH Jabba scene. How does that sound? Is it a fair compromise?

Why should i feel the need for any sort of compromise? Its not as if you haven't got the SE DVD so you can see it any time you want.The Jabba scene was exactly that... a scene.It was included because i had already done some work on the colour correction and i was doing the 3D version. The shuttle is just a few random clips so NO it won't be in the extras.

Can you please just quit it now because its just going to turn into one big slanging match between members and the whole thread will become a mess. I need to be able to keep track of all the ideas thrown my way but all this has become a huge distraction. You seem to have changed personality completely from when you first came on the boards. You were very supportive and i appreciate that but this change in personality almost seems like someone else has hijacked your account.

I welcome all you input but you must realise that once i have decided to do something then no amount of pushing will get me to change my mind. In fact i will end up doing the opposite.
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OBtwosy said:


also, I had done cover art some time ago and posted the rapidshare link for those interested, it didn't make it into the DVD-ROM folder though. No bruised feelings or anything, but it's still over at fanedit.org if anybody wants it.

Damn, sorry about that. I thought i had put them all on the DVD.
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Sevb32 said:


Sure Needa says get a shuttle ready, but instead of showing the shuttle leaving, wouldn't they show it going up into the underbelly of the Executer. Not just first leaving? And even if this is the case, why do you feel the need to change it? Simply because you don't like the design of the shuttle? You assume all imperials use the the same type shuttle? Change it because you can?


No, because the Lambda class shuttle became the ship that the imperial use from ROTJ onwards (including the SE ESB)> the Lambda makes more sense and visually it represents the imperial shuttle, not the shuttle we see in ESB. A Lambda style shuttle can even be seen in ROTS so, to me, this point to the fact that it is the shuttle the imperials use. To me that shuttle in ESB looks like Vaders TIE with the wings facing outwards instead of inwards. As for why we see it coming from the stardestroyer and not going into the underbelly of the Executor well thats because this shot works perfectly, showing the audience both its original location and its destination. We know that its Needa in the shuttle because it comes from the stardestroyer. If we just saw it entering the underbelly then that visual marker is lost.

Sevb32 said:

The fact that the new Vader shuttle sequences all combined last less than 20 seconds. Oh the tedious slowness! Some here carry on like they last 5 or 10 minutes.

I don't think you get what everyone is on about and why the new sequences don't fit. Watch the pre-SE version of the escape from Bespin and then watch the SE version. Look how those new additions completely cut the pace of that sequence. We don't need any visual explanation that Vader gets in his shuttle and flies to his stardestroyer. The original "bring my shuttle" line perfectly explained this. This became one of the big problems with the PT. There were conversations and scenes that tried to explain things when it wasn't needed and they just became boring.

Sevb32 said:

Were only in a debate if I say something, if anyone else says anything, it's for some reason OK.

thats not strictly true. The main reason people are getting angry towards your suggestions is that, after i have explained in detail (sometimes recently NUMEROUS amounts of times) why i will be taking out the shots you personally like you still push and push it. Making suggestions is one thing but you then seem to campaign for your suggestion to be taken notice of even after i have said the reasons why i wouldn't be including it . You then make remarks like this:
Sevb32 said:

If those elements of Vader's shuttle leaving Bespin and docking in the Star Destroyer were in there since the 1980 release of Empire, would so many of you be so gung-ho to remove them? I don't think so.

Well to answer than then YES i would still remove them, the same way i edited the Ben hut scene in ANH and the same way i'll be doing a lot of editing when i get round to ROTJ. Some people recently seem to be turning this into a "you all hate the SE's so thats why you want all the changes gone" type of argument. This isn't the case. I like the SE's but not all the additions worked at all. Seeing the Wampa was great after all the years of not really seeing him but it also took away the mystery of that creature so i want to return that scene to having that mystery so no more wampa. I love the fly-through with the pod car in cloud city because it does show some of the scale of the city and i feel that it brings us into the following shot nicely. The Sarlaac i like although it does look like the flower from Little shop of horrors, but the musical number is horrendous so i'll be getting rid of that, and Hayden replacing Sebastian Shaw, well don't get me started on that....

Sevb32 said:

Obviously Ady, can do whatever the hell he wants, but all I am suggesting is that he leaves these in, I am not arguing about the "Bring My Shuttle" line, I want it back, but it would be nice to keep any shots of the cloud city environment if at all possible. Crop that shuttle on the landing platform just out of frame so the old line works.

Well unfortunately it still doesn't work. The original line only exists in stereo format with the music clearly heard. The music was changed for the SE so the new line wouldn't fit so returning it to the original scene is the only way to go, plus we really don't need that extra shot of Vader anyway. Never have and never will.

Like i said check the original first and then look at the SE. The original works & flows together so much better while the SE just becomes a series of clips. All the shuttle shots are going and that is my last word on the subject.
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ben_danger said:

i really liked that shot too, except that i think they were walking a bit slower than they appeared to be in the shot before. ironically this is probably one of my favourite SE additions, yet they took it out in the 2004 edition!:P the edition of the ROTJ shuttle in ESB brought them together a bit more for me.

this has lead me to remember captain needa's shuttle. are you going to replace the old boxlike shuttle that we see for a few seconds with the ROTJ one?


That shot is in the 2004 editions. But it will be gone in mine, i'm afraid. The are walking a lot slower than the previous shot, as you mentioned. It just doesn't fit in with the original shuttle line and music and becomes a redundant shot

I am hoping to replace Needa's shuttle with the Lambada class shuttle
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#318198
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Blank DVD's: + or - ?
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Johnboy3434 said:

I've had very bad luck with crap discs recently (all my burns have been jerky and with all sorts of artifacting that wasn't in the original file), so I ordered a 50-pack of Verbatim DVD-R's. It only cost $25, but I don't want 50 coasters sitting around my house. Was this a good purchase?

Well i use either Verbatim or Taiyo Yuden DVD-R's all the time and they are great. Play fine in all my machines without any problems, even my really old Bush DVD player that really hates all recordable DVD's usually
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#318197
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Sevb32 said:

Is there a way to retain Vader's SE distant side view walk to his landing platform for his shuttle? I know the "Bring my shuttle." will be brought back so the Shuttle will have to be removed because it can't already be there, but it would be nice to keep the scenery while removing the shuttle.

I'm afraid that shot has to go, although thats one of the SE additions that i liked, but with the original line back in it just won't fit in.
Sevb32 said:

THis shot below has bothered me for years, I hope it can be blended better, and also later in the shot, when the guy walks by (McQuarrie I believe, not shown in this still), the blue spill is pretty bad on his head/body as he walks past.


http://galactic-voyage.com/Coppermine/albums/Movies/Hi-Res/Episode%20V%20The%20Empire%20Strikes%20Back/tesb1080i_0073.png

Yeh thats one shot i'm hoping to do something with to make it look less like a painting

EDIT: i just noticed what number post this is. Hope it don't jinx me & the edit. lol
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ben_danger said:

adywan said:

What depresses me is that people seem to have forgotten what star wars actually looked like before the horrible 2004 DVDs.

apologies if my responses seem to be urging you to "change" star wars, and if they do seem too crazy. i must admit i wish i could go back in time to when i had just my uncle's trilogy on VHS (long before the prequels) when it all felt so much more different.


No, my comment wasn't directed at your idea. Actually it was a good one, i just can't see how i would pull something like that off.

What i meant is that some people have got so use to the oversaturated colouring & tinting of the DVDs that the true natural looking colouring of the originals have become forgotten
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#318167
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Moth3r said:

Colour correction results looking pretty good. A few technical questions out of curiosity:

What software are you using for the colour correction?
Does the software work in YUV or RGB colourspace?
Are you making adjustments "by eye", or comparing histograms from the GOUT?
Are adjustments applied to frames as a whole, or are you doing any masking/rotoscoping to apply changes to select areas only?


I apply a basic first pass colour correction. This isn't actually just a global colour fix though. each shot has individual settings so i have to go through it shot-by-shot and match each one the best possible. I use numerous colour filters in Adobe After effects (the hue/sat filter is one of the main ones because it lets you tweak individual colours without affecting others around it). All the correction is done by eye on a calibrated monitor. Once the first pass is finished then i have to move onto the next stage which involves masking out particular areas (sometimes this could be as many as 30+ layers if ANH is anything to go by) and applying more colour correction to each layer. Not an easy task by any means but it gives IMHO some great results and possibly the only way to recover missing colour elements (like the colours on the bridge above)in the 2004 DVD's
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Here's a weird thing i've been noticing while doing the colour correction. The Blue tint that the 2004 DVD's have seems to be worse on the GOUT in some scenes, especially the snow battle. Some shots the colouring actually looks better on the 2004 DVD's. No colour correction was done to any of the images here:
http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/7862/gouttestva1.jpg
To me the 2004 shot looks more natural here
The gout does have its colour problems so a lot of time i'm going to have to adjust the colour to make it look natural and match from shot to shot. I want the snow & ice to look natural and not an over blue mess as it is on the DVD's but not as grey as it does in a lot of shots on the GOUT. I'm thinking about digging out my old pre-THX video tapes to see what the colour is like on those

As for the skys the 2004 DVD's are so oversaturated that the sky colouring is totally un-natural, same thing that happened in ANH.

After doing ANH and now ESB i'm even more convinced that the blue tint was added to hide the restoration problems where some scenes are devoid of almost all colouring. Look at this shot on the Executor bridge. All colouring apart from blue is missing. No skin tones and no red lights anywhere can be seen on the 2004 DVD shot:
http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/1794/bridgebd1.jpg
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#318157
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You have to remember that, as has already been stated, this is just the first colour pass. What depresses me is that people seem to have forgotten what star wars actually looked like before the horrible 2004 DVDs. You say i removed too much blue from the sky well it is so oversaturated in the 2004 set that it needed dropping back. non of this colour correction is guess work. I'm working with an overlay of the GOUT dvd for colour matching. Some shots will be impossible to restore back to their original colour so for those i have to create a natural looking balance with previous shots but at the same time sticking as close as possible to its original pre-2004 look.

Here's a comparison shot of the snowspeeder scene. As you can see my colour correction is pretty close so far to what ESB originally looked like before the blue tinting. The sky is the same intensity with just very slight minor tweaks needed of the blue hue:
http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/3547/speedercomparisonxv3.jpg

and here's another shot showing just how bad the 2004 DVD's colour really is:
http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/7470/snowrk1.jpg