adywan

AuggieBenDoggie said:

I will admit that I'm disappointed Ady has decided to remove the stretching starfield in his edit; however, it's removal  by no means will ruin the movie for me.  To be honest, I don't think anybody is really going to miss it after seeing what all Ady is going to do.

no, the stretching one is staying. its the 2 shots out of the whole saga where the starfield spins that is going. It is just down to personal taste and nothing more.  Originally i did have something planned for the falcons escape for ESB which would have meant that the spinning starfield would have had to go anyway because it wouldn't look right and because i wasn't over keen on the effect i decided that it wasn't needed in ANH.

And Jeyl, i have no problems with criticisms whatsoever but your posts came across as just plain rude. I welcome criticisms as they have changed my mind about many things in these edits but you have to respect that i do have a carefully thought out plan for the saga which not everyone will agree with. But that doesn't mean that there's a need for name calling and rudeness.

double post

Jeyl said:

adywan said:Why am i being a hypocrite just because i'm removing a spinning starfield? It was because i never really liked the effect and its only ever seen in eps 4 & 5 . they omit it in ROTJ. Please explain yourself as to why this is being hypocritical?

I wouldn't have made that point if you had stopped with "I never really liked the effect" because your "they omit it in ROTJ" just doesn't reflect what you're doing at all nor does it refelct what Lucas and his team were doing either. I don't even think you know why the effect wasn't used in RotJ. I do. The effect wasn't used in RotJ because the circumstances of the shots in question are different, not because they 'didn't like it'. It's the same reason why a lot of warp speed effect shots from Star Trek are different. If they didn't like the effect, why didn't they remove it from SW and ESB? Oh, but wait. The prequels didn't use it either so that's 2 our of 6! But you know what the prequels also didn't use? The stretching starfield. Why aren't you getting rid of that? Makes as much sense given the logic behind your reasoning which is pretty much "if it's not in all the movies, it's gone".

What I find silly about your argument is that you have openly stated you don't even like Return of the Jedi as much as the first two, even regarding Empire Strikes Back to be the closest thing to a perfect Star Wars movie. Yet you want to change a special effect from it to match the one that everyone including yourself say is the weakest of the three. That is a pretty weak reason considering that you've also said that RotJ is going to receive the most changes and edits you've done on the Star Wars movies so far.

And where the hypocrisy comes in to play is when you talk about how you're going to handle the prequels. You say that you're going to try and implement much more of the original trilogy content into the prequels, such as voices and effects. Why not implement that stretching stars through the cockpit view and have the spinning star fied occur in the prequels? That would be cool because the original Star Wars had it as did Empire. But no, you're using the weak and ugly RotJ as a reason to remove the effect. If Return of the Jedi and the prequels are such a low point, why are you looking at them as a basis for what the effects should look like when it's for the wrong reasons?

And I say it's for the wrong reasons because I actually asked starwars.com that very question. I asked why the prequels didn't have the stretching star field effects like in the original trilogy, and Lucas (Yep. It was him!) actually responded saying that he wanted the Falcon's escape to be unique and exciting where as all the other effect shots from RotJ and the prequels didn't involve the same set of circumstances. And what two movies have the Falcon escaping something through Hypserspace? Star Wars and Empire. What movies don't feature Hyperspace as a means of escaping something? RotJ and all of the prequels. It's all circumstantial and it's a pity that it's gone now from your edits.

Lucas didn't use the spinning starfield effect in RotJ or the prequels because they didn't need it, not because they didn't like it. Need proof? Watch any official release of Star Wars. They're still there even with all the other alterations.

i don't care about proof or any thing else. i don't believe a damn word GL says anymore. He changes what he says all the damn time to try and cover all the cockups he made with the rest of the saga. Just watch early interviews about star wars and then later ones. he changes his story all the time. So you believe everything that is said over at starwars.com and you actually believe that it was Lucas that replied to you and not one of his m,any minions?? many things have been changed over there since the PT came out with new explanations about things appearing all the time that contradict with the original answers just to fit in with the new star wars stuff appearing so it looks like it actually all fits ion. so what is the really story? they just say what the hell they want as an explanation.  i stated I didn't like the effect which is why it was gone and used the ROTJ situation as an example of it not appearing in the rest of the saga and NOT as the reasoning why i have omitted it.  You know nothing of what i am planning for the PT. For all you know you will see the stretching starfield in them, which is exactly what will be happening.  maybe you should have asked first before about what i was planning to do in the PT  instead of saying that my reasoning is "silly"

Jeyl said:

adywan said:

Well i've been working on the rebel transport escape scene today and i have to say that i'm definitely going with the blue electrical laser bolts instead of the multi coloured original one. It add so much to this scene and give the Ion canon its own distinctive look as well as looking 100% better and more realistic colour wise. Making the blast points brighter and the new colouring takes away the fakeness of the original animation. I just love it.

 

Am I the only one who finds this effect change to be just a little bit ironic? The Ion Cannon is only used once in the whole entire movie saga and it's colored red, yet in the Expanded Universe (EU) it's depicted as being blue (The most case) or purple and does an electrical like effect to it's target. Doesn't this sort of trend into the EU territory that Adywan himself says he wants to stay as far away from as possible? Cause that's exactly what this looks like here and I'm sure a lot of casual fans will think the same.

I'm not saying Adywan is being a hypocrite about this because the new effect looks much more effective and I know that the EU isn't why he did this. It's just when he says that he doesn't want to put any EU stuff into his cuts, some of the things he does do tend to fit in with what the EU did perfectly compared to the original movies. Graphic novels depict blue ion beams, the Rogue Squadron games depicted blue Ion Beams with blue electricity sparking around when it hits and even blasters with Ion settings shoot blue bolts! (Oh, the Super Star Wars days). 

All in all however, everything is looking really nice Ady, but I still think your being a hypocrite about removing the spinning star field effect. :P

- Jeyl

Why am i being a hypocrite just because i'm removing a spinning starfield? It was because i never really liked the effect and its only ever seen in eps 4 & 5 . they omit it in ROTJ. Please explain yourself as to why this is being hypocritical? That has nothing to do with EU stuff at all nor does me changing the laser bolt colour and appearance of the Ion Canon. I've always thought of this as an electrical weapon that disrupts the electronics of a ship to disable it. The colour blue makes it look more like an electrical weapon and has nothing to do with anything that is in the EU. If i was changing it because its in the EU then wouldn't i have turned the weapon into a circular electrical beam like in the CW series? Just because i'm changing the colour of something doesn't mean i'm doing it because it says so in the EU. I have always said that i would never change anything just because it says something or is featured in the EU and i have stuck to that and always will.

I don't appreciate being called a hypocrite especially when you clearly don't know what you are talking about.

At the end of the day i am doing this edit for me. Its things i want to see and want changed. Its been that way since day one.

Darth wagner, i won't be changing any of the music in ESB:R. the original music for the executor reveal was dropped because it was composed when the movie had a different cut. The sequence would have originally been shorter and extra effects were added in during the final edit and the original score no longer fits. Just try playing the original score over the visuals from the movie and you'll see what i mean.I also prefer the version we got. The symphony piece builds up the reveal a lot better than the original more harsh piece. I don't see a problem with the piece already being featured in ANH:R. Just listen to the Death Star battle in ROTJ. There are scores reused from ANH. having one familiar piece won't turn this edit into the type of hack job that was done to the PT

Anyway, the camera arrived today. the 25p suffers the same problem as the NTSC 24p setting. Although it isn't really jerky the picture does tend to blur quite badly in any fast motion. There are a hell of a lot of settings on this baby to learn. The image stabilisation is amazing and so much better than i have ever seen on any other camcorder. The picture quality is astounding. I don't know why all the reviews said that its crap in low light conditions and its way too noisy. i just adjusted a few settings and i get no problem whatsoever and i can even film in almost pitch blackness and it still focuses perfectly.

thanks guys. Now i need to start all the model building

Well i've been working on the rebel transport escape scene today and i have to say that i'm definitely going with the blue electrical laser bolts instead of the multi coloured original one. It add so much to this scene and give the Ion canon its own distinctive look as well as looking 100% better and more realistic colour wise. Making the blast points brighter and the new colouring takes away the fakeness of the original animation. I just love it.

a still shot isn't really the best way of seeing just how well this new effect works. it looks so much better in motion

i'm also going to have the stardestroyer firing at the escaping ships and destroying one of the x-wings before it gets blasted by the ion canon bolts

cas_tanje said:

thorr said:

They are still there, and if you have giganews you can get them (see newzleech.com and search for adywan).

 

 No, they aren't for me, download is not working, they are too old.

And:
- Are these 2 versions color corrected by Adywan?  Because I'll just download them only for that.  I've seen other HD versions, are they the same?
- Where are these versions from?  The 1997 or the 2004 DVD?  Or just an other one?

yes they are both colour corrected by me. ANH is the 2004 version but Han is the only one that shoots and it contains the 1997 theatrical 5.1 audio mix taken from the laserdiscs. ESB is the 1997 SE theatrical version with the original Emperor & the 1997 theatrical 5.1 audio mix.

cas_tanje said:

That should be good! But in 2004, there were some mistakes.  Example:

 These mistakes aren't here in these versions?

I haven't done ROTJ yet but the colour correction mistakes will be corrected in my version

The PIF chain can be a problematic one at best. There are so many that jump on it and then disappear once they have the disc and the chain ends. I sent out about 100+ DVD-5 versions of ANH Revisited all over the world. Almost all of them had a printed label but i didn't print any covers. I printed the label out on the lowest settings because of the amount i was burning to send out was using too much ink. I got pm's and emails from about 30% saying that the disc label quality wasn't very good and could i send them out another disc with a better printed label and a printed cover this time. needless to say they were put on my ignore list and they will never get another disc from me ever, the ungrateful bastards. So you can see why many don't bother sending out discs any more.

Just because your experiences in the past i wouldn't stop asking members for copies. There is a whole new crowd here now and i still see people in my thread offering to send people discs of revisited and in other threads for other edits.

AuggieBenDoggie said:

ImperialFighter,   I was the one that mentioned the side guns not firing a while back. Ady didn't respond to my inquiry. I watched the hoth battle again soon afterwards and noticed that they did indeed fire, but they were hard to catch. I mentioned this to Ady if he could make them more noticeable, and again Ady didn't respond to my inquiry. Sadly, he couldn't find my posts. He asked me to repost my questions, but I didn't bother with it again.  I figured someone would bring it up again eventually and Ady would then have a chance to respond to it. I'm glad you brought the topic back up, with pics.  No offense to you Ady. 

again, i'm sorry i wasn't able to reply to your suggestions. I will be adding more laser fire coming from the side guns but i will be keeping them the same colour as the main lasers

vaderios said:

The moon idea is good. It adds a character

Also i had an idea:

When the AT-AT fell wee see the rebel soldiers running and one say C'mon!

It will be cool if after the crash some snowtroopers had escaped of the fallen ATAT and heading towards to the rebels.

Just a brief scene. Also the snow speeder to shoot one of them just before it destroy the AT. Just like AOTC when the geonosian fighters killed a clone trooper...

-Angel

i love that idea . not sure how i would go about filming it though. unless anyone knows people who have snowtrooper costumes that can film them against white backgrounds. i have some ideas where added troopers would fit so getting the angles worked out is pretty easy.

Now i need to set aside a spare day to read through Imperialfighter's post. lol

vaderios said:

Ok fingers crossed...

Original canvas 7490x1493

-Angel

OMG where did you get the canvas from in hi res? I've been looking everywhere for something like this (without the overlayed snapshots of course :))?

something weird keeps happening. for a while now i've been getting errors when clicking on the "first unread post" option in the forums. it seems to be happening more regular now and seems to be localised to my Empire Strikes back Revisited thread but has also started happening in other threads too. This is the error message:

doubleofive said:

nabakov, I like your reaction shot.  I agree that Ady should move his reaction a bit closer to the door closing.  The jump cut never really bothered me so much as his "spinning around really fast to see something that happened seconds ago".

i've just fixed this. he reacts quicker now

oh yeh, did i forget to mention that its out of stock because i purchased the last one? lol. I'm just awaiting the site to process the order now

gavin77 said:

Now I'm stressed....did the funds clear....did Ady get the Beast? How can I go to sleep without knowing? I'll just toss and turn all night.....on a serious note....005, you put a cap on your avatar guy...that's great, really makes me like that little guy even more.

well the money finally went on the card at 1pm today. so much for 24 hours to clear. The thing is that the camera on the site i was getting it from is now showing as out of stock

sketchrob said:

Yeah this isdef Paypal being retarded cause funds have cleared my end... *sigh* stupid internet....

yeh, the funds cleared in my paypal account but they needed to be transferred to my paypal topup card because its a pay as you go visa card and the site doesn't accept paypal. I did this at 00.06am last night. They say that transferring from your paypal account to the top up card only takes 24 hours. the cash funds i had that i put on the card today went on immediately. i hate how paypal drags its heels

i did contact them today to see if they could hold one back for me but they said they couldn't. i'm just going to ahve to prey no one buys the last one before these damn funds clear. 24 hours my ass. its been 27 now

AGHHHH. paypal is doing my head in. The funds are only supposed to take 24 hours to clear to the topup card from the account and its still not showing up. the stock is down to 1 left now. i'm so stressed

well i've finally amanged to catch up on everything.

The blue bolt from the ion canon - i love it. this makes it more of an electrical weapon to disable the ships instead of fire power. I'll definitely be doing something like this

The wampa severed arm. I may add some residual glow from the sabre wound on the falling arm similar to the cantina scene in ANH:R but i won't be adding any flames . fur wouldn't burn only singe. Plus that final shot of the wampa in pain will most probably not be in ESB:R. Its too noticeable you can even see the seam of the costume down the one side

I like the additions to Slave 1's cockpit. most probably i'll be doing something like this

The red glow in the AT-AT interiors. Thanks for doing that mock-up. that has really helped put my point across that adding red lighting to the interiors will look fake. This is really something that doesn't need doing. its only one very brief shot of an AT-AT with a red cockpit and only one single one.  i do however like the display in the windows.

The holograms. I may be doing some slight tweaking but i won't be making them look as clean as the PT ones are. i will be redoing the PT ones to closer match the OT when i get to it. I may add a faint projection glow but i won't know for sure until i try it out.

vaderios said:

Edit: Ive just noticed in that marked area the light is trembling with no reason.

 

yeh that is a weird lighting effect. might have to do something about that. Actually this shot brings me to a problem that may well be unresolvable. You see Piett walking away from the officer but the next immediate shot he is already down the other end of the pit. not sure how i can fix this problem without things looking odd though. this ones going to be a tough one.

vaderios said:

I was wondering, If the hoth base is collapsing and we had see before electricity issues when the imperials intrude, in the scene when Han and leia run to falcon it will be cool to have some slight background movement.

Like this:

i like the idea of the flickering lights. brings a bit of life to the matte

As for Vaders cries of pain they will be remaining in the movie. but, as was pointed out, 2 of the cries in the carbon chamber are exactly the same since the SE. I'll be returning these cries to the original different ones or maybe use something different for the one.

Kurtyboy said:

adywan said:

I'm also going to be building a new wampa head with horns, shoulders & arms to replace the original puppet. this way i can also replace the weird looking wampa shot as it lunges at luke in the cave. I'm starting work on that later in the week so as soon as that is finished i will post some photos.

 

Have you thought of getting in touch with someone who has built various Wampas in the past? Such as Tom Spina whom I know from The Replica Props Forum http://www.tomspinadesigns.com/Sculpture.html. Scroll down to the sixth row. I also remember he built a full size Wampa a while back.

 

Well the wampa i will be doing is going to be a very slight redesign, plus i love creating things so the fun for me is actually building the new creature.

vaderios said:

Very nice Ady! Cant w8 to see  the fixed jump cut shot.

One notice: the reflection of the rails should match with your new:)

-Angel

yeh. the problem i faced with the reflection though was it threw the original footage out due to the lines on the flooring. I used the original shadows from the GOUT with the SE footage, the new rails, slightly transparent solid floor and at the same time everything had to line up. i'm not too bothered that the reflection isn't perfect as long as the shadows aren't transparent any longer and the rail is slightly higher. I think the reflections being exactly the same height in the SE doesn't look right also.

Erikstormtrooper said:

Secondly, Adywan, I'm glad you decided to raise the rail height in the above shot. Is there any way you would consider making it higher? It still looks way too short to me. I figure most railings are at least waist height. The corridor is just not wide enough for those to be normal rails.

if i made them any higher it throws a few things out. but i think they are about the right height now. they have a rail that is sloped outwards which would be about the right height to lean on and be safe at the same time. the pic i posted probably wasn't the best to show the rails new height. I've also tweaked the reflection slightly since i posted the last shot.

Ripplin said:

Might sound dumb, but I look forward to seeing fix number two the most. I love to see jump cuts smoothed. :)

well i'm in a really good mood tonight so here's a clip of the jump cut and the other fix i mentioned

CARBON CHAMBER FALL & JUMP CUT FIXES - XVID - 12mb aprox

sorry visor i'm fresh out of ideas. EP's 4 & 5 were created using the same profile in megui, same method of creating the audio and same way of creating the AVCHD. Trebius i have checked the video for EPIV and you are correct there is  a strange flickering effect. i have no idea what could have caused that. I wonder if that is having any affect on what visor is experiencing.

Siliconmaster482 said:

sketchrob said:Okay - so, £190 ? OK... but thats it! lol Please let this be the camera bro, I'm gonna have to take on some extra freelance for this one lol. Funds have been sent.

 

I think we can all give a great thanks to you, man. Amazing contributions. Let's hope Ady can get the camera he wants with the added funds.

Yes i really do this we should all thank sketchrob for what he has done here. the funds should all clear within the next 24 hours and the second they do i will be ordering the camera. I'd better get to work on finishing the wampa puppet and all the other stuff now. I'd alos like to say a huge thanks to everyone else that donated. This project would have stalled without you guys

Well i've also been doing some more of the fixes to ESB:R. So far today i have fixed:

1> When Luke knocks Vader off the ledge of the carbon chamber there are a couple of gaffes in this one. As Vader falls and goes off screen you can see a rod wobbling which looks like it could the lightsaber pole bobbing up. Also as lukes sabre is disengaged you can see what looks to be a stage hand taking the saber from mark hamill and swapping it for the hilt without the pole. Then when Luke jumps down his head bobs back up in the last few frames. these have all been fixed

2> fixed the very noticeable jump cut as the gate closes behind luke as he exits the tunnel in the vane.

3> (see below) fixed the bad composite job done by ILM for the SE where the gangs shadows are transparent as they run through cloud city in the new SE shot. I've also given the tiny rail a greater hight. health and safety. lol

Nemesis_Enforcer said:

Hey Ady,  did you ever check out your local camera shops to rent out the equipment?  This way you can get the quality you want for a cheaper price (hopefully).

yeh. it was £80 for a weekend to rent the Sony HD camcorder which is nowhere near as good as the canon. the problem with renting is that i would have to get everything done in the one weekend or for a full week it was £140. That doesn't give me much time to get everything i need done allowing for mistakes. Now times that by the amount of times that i would need the camcorder if i needed to do re-shoots or extra footage and then the times i would need it to complete the rest of the saga and renting is just too expensive.

I'm really struggling to find the last £190 for it though. The place i was going to get it from seem to be selling out pretty fast at the offer price. there's 2 left in stock and then the price will return to its original price. its a pity because this place was not only the cheapest but also offering a 2 year warranty instead of the usual 1.

I took my PS3 i up town today to try and sell but both Game & Gamestation would only give me £100 for it which i was not prepared to part with it for that considering that they reselling them model i have for more than double that price.

edlitmus said:

vaderios said:

Speaking of tawn-tawns

Added the missing claw.

 

-Angel

I never minded the missing claw. I just figured it lost it's claw in a fight or something.

 

there is no claw missing in this shot. its the webbing between the toes. check the other foot and you'll see what i mean.

Octorox said:

Speaking of Tauntaun guts, I wonder if Ady could do something to improve them. They look like paper worms or something as it now stands. Maybe some real blood and gore?

A lightsabre would cauterise the flesh so there would be no blood. This was discussed in the ANH:R thread about the severed arm in the cantina. Also the guts actually look pretty realistic so i see no need to do anything to that shot. And i'm really surprised that Kurgan suggested something like this first after all the arguments against recolouring the TIEs grey. lol

doubleofive said:

adywan said:

Monroville said:

Is there any way just to order it from the american website and have it shipped to the UK?   Even with a 6% sales tax, it shouldn't come out to more than $636.00.  If you have someone over here you know you can trust, if Amazon.com doesn't ship to the Uk someone here could buy it at the cheaper price and then ship it to you.  I know that's a big risk, but $636 is a lot better than essentially $1009.85 (at least converted through xe.net)

Also, I take it that the US version is locked at the 24fps rate, or can it be altered between different frame rate settings?

well i had been thinking about that but it really isn't viable for me to do it this way. for one it can be a nightmare to transfer the warranty from the US to the UK and if anything went wrong i would be stuck with a dead machine . many large companies refuse to do humour and American warranty in the UK. Then  there's the chance that i get heavily taxed by customs but the main thing is that the NTSC version suffers with the jerky footage when using the 24p mode. The PAL version does suffer with this problem. The thing is that the NTSC machine runs at 30p & 60i. For cinema mode it records at 60i then converts the footage inside the camera in 24p cinema mode which causes the duplicate frames or applied pulldown  because 60 is not divisible by 24. now the PAL machine does 25p cinema mode. the cameras main setting record at 25p & 50i. Because of this no extra frames are added so this results in smooth motion. It would be too much hassle trying to figure out a way to remove the duplicate frames from the NTSC model to be able to use the footage. Plus the voltage differences for the power supply is also a problem between our 2 countries.

The Pal machine purchased from a UK company is the only viable option.

I've got down to needing just slightly under £200 to get this machine now. i'm hoping i can get it pretty soon because the place i was going to purchase from have gone down from 6 left in stock to just 4 in less than a day. i guess it being much cheaper than anywhere else means that it isn't going to last at that price for much longer

in regards to me shipping out the workload for the models etc to save money it really doesn't cost me that much to build these things as i have most of the materials i need around the house anyway, plus i love making stuff anyway.

First thing i'm going to do when i get the camcorder is film the new wampa so you can all see what its like and post the first making of video. i'm using my old crappy camcorder to film the step by step building progress of the wampa puppet for this then the finished puppet will be filmed with the HD camcorder and you'll get to see the complete new scene

So do you edit in 25p and then stretch it to 29.98 for us Yanks?  The real question is do you work with the sped up audio when you're working on the audio side?  Just curious.

yes i edit in 25p then the video framerate is slowed down to 23.976 once the video side of things is complete. i then work on the audio after i have done this so everything is the correct pitch. then for the PAL version i can just speed up the audio once finished. I don't bother doing this with all the samples i post so many of the sound fx will always sound lower in pitch but for the finished version they would be correct

Monroville said:

Is there any way just to order it from the american website and have it shipped to the UK?   Even with a 6% sales tax, it shouldn't come out to more than $636.00.  If you have someone over here you know you can trust, if Amazon.com doesn't ship to the Uk someone here could buy it at the cheaper price and then ship it to you.  I know that's a big risk, but $636 is a lot better than essentially $1009.85 (at least converted through xe.net)

Also, I take it that the US version is locked at the 24fps rate, or can it be altered between different frame rate settings?

well i had been thinking about that but it really isn't viable for me to do it this way. for one it can be a nightmare to transfer the warranty from the US to the UK and if anything went wrong i would be stuck with a dead machine . many large companies refuse to do humour and American warranty in the UK. Then  there's the chance that i get heavily taxed by customs but the main thing is that the NTSC version suffers with the jerky footage when using the 24p mode. The PAL version does suffer with this problem. The thing is that the NTSC machine runs at 30p & 60i. For cinema mode it records at 60i then converts the footage inside the camera in 24p cinema mode which causes the duplicate frames or applied pulldown  because 60 is not divisible by 24. now the PAL machine does 25p cinema mode. the cameras main setting record at 25p & 50i. Because of this no extra frames are added so this results in smooth motion. It would be too much hassle trying to figure out a way to remove the duplicate frames from the NTSC model to be able to use the footage. Plus the voltage differences for the power supply is also a problem between our 2 countries.

The Pal machine purchased from a UK company is the only viable option.

I've got down to needing just slightly under £200 to get this machine now. i'm hoping i can get it pretty soon because the place i was going to purchase from have gone down from 6 left in stock to just 4 in less than a day. i guess it being much cheaper than anywhere else means that it isn't going to last at that price for much longer

in regards to me shipping out the workload for the models etc to save money it really doesn't cost me that much to build these things as i have most of the materials i need around the house anyway, plus i love making stuff anyway.

First thing i'm going to do when i get the camcorder is film the new wampa so you can all see what its like and post the first making of video. i'm using my old crappy camcorder to film the step by step building progress of the wampa puppet for this then the finished puppet will be filmed with the HD camcorder and you'll get to see the complete new scene

Octorox said:

adywan said:

i just realised that it is the HG-20 and not the 10 model that i tested out. the 10 doesn't film in 1920x1080p but 1440x1080 instead. i just rang up the shop that i tested it at and although their website lists the 10 model they assure me that its the 20 and they no longer stock the 10.

This is the lowest price i've been able to find for the Uk version

http://www.camerabox.co.uk/product.asp?ProductID=6388&gclid=CLGb6ZSf4ZgCFQHHGgodIGfYdQ

Its just over £100 more in the shop i tested it at but i'm still a couple of hundred quid off getting this baby.

I've been checking out some of the HD videos shot with this camera on youtube. This is definitely the camera to get.

Here's a review that might be helpful

http://www.camcorderinfo.com/content/Canon-Vixia-HG20-Camcorder-Review-35510/Performance.htm

And I still have to recommend the tape-based HV30 of the hard drive based HG20. Hard Drives are a hassle to work with. Of you can even get the AVCHD footage into your editor render times will be excruciating. HDV is much more time tested. Also 1440x1080 vs. 1920x1080 doesn't really make much of a difference. One is anamorphic and one isn't. 24p/25p is important though

i was just reading that review then read what you wrote. spooky. lol

i prefer the hard drive cameras over any tape based ones. i do all my editing on the PC and transferring the footage from a hard drive camera is so much easier and faster than tape based ones. rendering times don't bother me as i've been working with Hd for a while so i'm use to that.

yeh i agree that the 24/25p feature is a very important factor with a camera i would be using to film the elements to fit in with the movie . many seem to do 30fps or 60fps so this feature on the canons is the selling point for me.

interestingly i saw some comparisons between the American 24p cine mode and the UK 25p cine mode and the results for the 25p in motion scenes were so much smoother whereas the 24p mode seemed jerky. having the 25p setting will enable me to change the framerate to 23.976 and the very slight slowdown will help with the feeling of weight and size so the PAL version is perfect for me. do you find that the cinemode on your ntsc version suffers with the jerky movement?

i just realised that it is the HG-20 and not the 10 model that i tested out. the 10 doesn't film in 1920x1080p but 1440x1080 instead. i just rang up the shop that i tested it at and although their website lists the 10 model they assure me that its the 20 and they no longer stock the 10.

This is the lowest price i've been able to find for the Uk version

http://www.camerabox.co.uk/product.asp?ProductID=6388&gclid=CLGb6ZSf4ZgCFQHHGgodIGfYdQ

Its just over £100 more in the shop i tested it at but i'm still a couple of hundred quid off getting this baby.

I've been checking out some of the HD videos shot with this camera on youtube. This is definitely the camera to get.