act on instinct

Mostly I just figure the Endor stuff would have been a lot cleaner and less cute, I guess maybe Han would die but who cares, and Luke would struggle with the dark side more while Leia has to save him from himself. With a Vader redemption I imagine a Luke moral tug of war could be fun but a little too packed for a wishy washy side conflict for Luke just like the actual ROTJ, it just isn’t believable Luke would go to the dark side, Vader’s redemption is more impactful anyway. I agree maybe more time spent with Luke training, specifically building his new lightsaber onscreen, but I would need to know more of Kurtz’s thoughts, now I’m just going into my own wishful thinking.

Malthus knows completely what they’re talking about.

Funny enough it seems much of the intrigue for Lucas’s original ST vision is itself a mystery box as fans can only speculate what might have been, searching for clues and answers.

Time to rip the bandaid and admit I never officially finished this movie. To be totally honest my friend and I walked out of the theater before the Vader scene, which after viewing online I was glad to miss, if I stayed that scene would have just annoyed me, I’m not the craziest for fan service. I totally understand why people love it so much I just don’t connect with it, felt like Star Tours but not fun, or a video game I couldn’t play.

Quattro Bajeena said:

Rogue One isn’t good. The characters aren’t good, the Vader scene was stupid and making the Death Star flaw something intentional makes Luke destroying it in SW less meaningful. Awful movie.

Hell yeah

I know a lot of people here think CGI Sidious looks too rubbery in his fight scene with Mace in ROTS, those shots are so short I wonder how well a fake could plus it up.

Mocata said:

It depends on whether you think these characters ever become more than simple narrative roadblocks.

This is so nail on the head for me, it’s actually not that I dislike these characters/viewing them as antagonist vs protagonist, but at times they actively halt the plot from progressing. Rose actually becomes more of the exception here, I just didn’t like the casino planet. That and in my opinion Finn’s intelligence gets a complete nerf just to serve Rose which only diminishes his character more to me.

I pin that more on the acting than the dialogue itself, a reason why Christopher Lee and Ian Mcdiarmid almost never seem to have any of the bad lines, comes with their Shakespearean classical training. I buy that Lucas was reaching for a 40s style, which sounds god awful to the ears of most modern audience members, nobody has to like it but it should be understood for what it is, Double Indemnity could make you wince if you’re not used to it.

Omni said:

Emanswfan, is there possibility of a lower bitrate, 1080p render with the colors and the grain? It wouldn’t be nearly as taxing, and I’m betting it’d still look wonderful.

Agree the bitrate could be lower for these samples, it’s hard playing just the clip on my laptop, 15mbps on the high end would still keep most of the important detail intact even though it isn’t lossless, about a quarter size.

I totally agree with Stardust1138 on scene placement, for execution I agree with others to save the big reveal, what I would envision that scene looking like would be a combination of the emperor and his advisors moment from ROTJ mixed with Darth’s meditation chamber scene in ESB, with Tarkin in the position of Admiral Piett, cloaked in shadow and secrecy with very few words.

OT had already solidified itself as an instant classic by 97, I imagine a lot of the fondness comes with a set of rose tinted glasses, things are more heated within proximity of the event, people weren’t unified on ROTJ or even ESB to a lesser extent. The PT vs OT thing I feel might be more relevant if PT had been made in the 80s, it’s there but the generational difference itself is more significant in my opinion.

SilverWook said:

cyberstalking.

Word of the day, don’t let the creeps rule the roost with their rabid raving rabble rousing.

Love everything else you wrote as well SilverWook, though I suspect some might not be satisfied, not sure what anyone would have expected but I’m sure a few will feel you didn’t do enough to condemn yourselves as mods in the name of addressing their accountability claims. Hope this doesn’t drag out too long in the process.

“It’s not over yet.”

skywalkerfan101 said:

That’s the scary part about all of this. When you go out to a Star Wars event, you never no if the fellow fans beside you are part of the toxicity (…) It’s hard to trust other fans…

This isn’t unique to Star Wars, there are good and bad people who have the same interests, the commonality itself shouldn’t be a replacement for a personality judgement, with a net as wide as something so globally accepted as Star Wars it only magnifies a pre existing issue, an unfortunate social reality. We may like to think because we share tastes we might share similar ideals, yet because everyone is different (which we even recognize in the variety of our own interpretations even when it comes to the exact subject that joins us) we will find people all along the spectrum that stand for everything you are against. All I can say is don’t judge a book by its cover. Love people for how they treat people, not for what they like.

StarkillerAG said:

From being on the internet for long enough, it seems like the natural life cycle of an internet forum is for the mods and the users to turn on each other.

The inconvenient truth, we can’t just solely blame one or the other, obviously I’m not privy to the reasons behind all the tension but I have been on niche internet communities before and they seem to turn sour when either side isn’t kept in check, hope the community can handle it and carry on with as little bitterness as possible. The members I’ve interacted with here mods included have all been pretty cordial and level headed, if a bit passionate at times. Hope everyone, mod or user, banned or unbanned, can have a happy remainder of their holidays!

Merry Christmas everyone, wherever you all are!

TPM is not as pointless to the series as some say, not like it even takes much reading between the lines when viewing the ending “celebration”.

Mocata said:

Yeah but it’s less like the reaction to mass murder and more like a case of indigestion.

Could say the same or worse about Leia to her home planet. It’s not Rabbit Hole.

Appreciate Lucas’ self awareness, enough to even step down which seems less than tyranical. Not so ironic to my mind though, Lucas had his own projects but from all stories told about how LucasFilm/LucasArts was ran over the years it was said to be a unique level of creative freedom, when it comes to selling the company I find it no more ironic than selling Pixar, just Lucas moving on to future ventures.

Haha agreed G&G! Luke really isn’t inconsistent to his trajectory or the problem, Leia in a tree-house saying “Hold me!” is the far bigger culprit. I am on the same page with most that ROTJ may have some of the lower lows of the trilogy but does make up for it with some of the highest highs, most of which is the Luke/Vader/Emperor stuff.

It’s a bit jarring to get something as kid friendly as ROTJ after ESB though not totally out of character, but it never gets so stupid to me to take myself out of the good parts which can still give chills. In my opinion, when Luke throws down his saber and says “I am a Jedi, like my father before me.” it’s one of the great powerful moments in cinematic history.

I have to see the next beta, I think the grain is very nice but maybe too much, really wonderful in a still image but overpowering in motion, I disagree the grain should be any larger, if anything I think it would be better to go smaller so it can stay dense.

I know this is a screen from a totally unrelated movie, but I wanted an example of a 2000s movie shot on film, you can still very clearly see the grain that really defines that print feel, but it doesn’t dominate the details in the face and skin tones: (2001) Mulholland Drive

The colors and everything else look amazing! I’m fully prepared for the final versions of all of these to be the definitive viewing experience to return to the prequels.

canofhumdingers said:
It’s truly a double edged sword in a way. Without his stubborn determination we probably wouldn’t even have these films we love so much. But at the same time it is this quality that has caused some tremendous frustration at times. And in the case of the OT it is robbing us of a significant piece of our culture, art, and history.

This is how I feel but ultimately I’ve come around to really appreciating there are people like George who are such adamant auteurs, doesn’t make it the right or wrong way to make movies for an audience but I’m happy to see the spirit represented especially when that maverick energy gave us so many GOOD things. I think it’s fine Lucas kept working independently and I share solidarity with his anti-corporation feelings.

J0E said:

The middle act of the movie REALLY drags. Basically Luke, Leia and Han are bumbling around on Endor not doing anything until Luke gets bored and decides he’s done with the cynical product placement and wants to return to the plot. It’s a shame Leia and Han don’t do the same.

The take I’m here for.

One of my favorites from Ghibli! Would appreciate a PM, I’ll edit this post with a review as soon as I can watch!

EDIT: I never thought a little air glider could deliver so much heat! Had a really great time with this already fantastic movie, this remaster packs punch! Still, it all blends very well and just as intended the new sound mix really tries more to enhance while not outright recreate the original feel, it’s still Nausicaa, now with some THX style. I did really notice it when the airships started, some of those noises on take off can really make you think Star Wars, when they went crashing the explosions are straight Indiana Jones, overall a fun ride that really feels full. I also tried this on multiple headsets with their own balancing, mix was friendly to all, towards the end I was watching with my more bass heavy pair and really got to feel the atmosphere of a theater experience.

Spuffure said:

Surprise surprise! I’m back. Sorry for the inconvenience, but… I jus’ want to voice my opinion on horror films. Sorry for the wall of text, but here we go…

That’s two sorry’s too many dude, that’s why opinion is in the thread title!

Eraserhead is a great example of my type of horror, bizarre images with bizarre sounds, no cheap shit. Same with the Exorcist. While both of these movies have people in them to react to them they are still PROPER HORROR.

Slasher movies are the absolute worst type of horror. They don’t scare me or make me feel creeped out. Sure, they have you on edge, but it isn’t really unique or effective, unless you’re squeamish or something.

Always a good time when Eraserhead is mentioned, even though you’re talking about horror you’re using a similar logic I would when it comes to blockbusters, sometimes the thrill isn’t enough, something should stick with you after you’ve seen it.

P.S. it would be superb if anyone could direct me to something like it, think Little Baby’s Ice Cream crossed with Dining Room or there is Nothing, with the latter’s grainy and warm-coloured palette and horrific sound effects.

That is all.

Great stuff, I think you’d enjoy some of Lynch’s other shorts like The Grandmother, Rabbits, or Premonitions Following an Evil Deed as part of the anthology film Lumiere and Company (1995).

DrDre said:

It’s been a while due to a very busy work schedule, but here’s another scene:

Wow. Wow wow so clean so amazing and one of my favorite scenes, glad to hear from you Dre!

imperialscum said:

The answer is no. Spending one third of the film on his rescue just to kill him would have been beyond stupid.

This and more! I understand the thought to kill one of the main three, JK almost did it to Ron in Harry Potter, but I think ROTJ has its own issues and killing Han would ultimately be more of a band-aid to the real problem which is that a lot of Endor stuff is boring. It’s not death you seek, it’s depth!