act on instinct

Spuffure said:

Surprise surprise! I’m back. Sorry for the inconvenience, but… I jus’ want to voice my opinion on horror films. Sorry for the wall of text, but here we go…

That’s two sorry’s too many dude, that’s why opinion is in the thread title!

Eraserhead is a great example of my type of horror, bizarre images with bizarre sounds, no cheap shit. Same with the Exorcist. While both of these movies have people in them to react to them they are still PROPER HORROR.

Slasher movies are the absolute worst type of horror. They don’t scare me or make me feel creeped out. Sure, they have you on edge, but it isn’t really unique or effective, unless you’re squeamish or something.

Always a good time when Eraserhead is mentioned, even though you’re talking about horror you’re using a similar logic I would when it comes to blockbusters, sometimes the thrill isn’t enough, something should stick with you after you’ve seen it.

P.S. it would be superb if anyone could direct me to something like it, think Little Baby’s Ice Cream crossed with Dining Room or there is Nothing, with the latter’s grainy and warm-coloured palette and horrific sound effects.

That is all.

Great stuff, I think you’d enjoy some of Lynch’s other shorts like The Grandmother, Rabbits, or Premonitions Following an Evil Deed as part of the anthology film Lumiere and Company (1995).

DrDre said:

It’s been a while due to a very busy work schedule, but here’s another scene:

Wow. Wow wow so clean so amazing and one of my favorite scenes, glad to hear from you Dre!

imperialscum said:

The answer is no. Spending one third of the film on his rescue just to kill him would have been beyond stupid.

This and more! I understand the thought to kill one of the main three, JK almost did it to Ron in Harry Potter, but I think ROTJ has its own issues and killing Han would ultimately be more of a band-aid to the real problem which is that a lot of Endor stuff is boring. It’s not death you seek, it’s depth!

Love the work, but I think as well as the TPM grade works the video quality in II especially has a high risk of looking flat. I like the base your emulation gives in the example when it comes to detail but I think more contrast eventually needs to come back in, the colors to my eye look a little washed out. The back wall outside to the right really shows when flipping back and forth the contrast where it’s neutralizing some of the texture.

EDIT: my own take

That’s a pretty loose definition of emo, he’s just sort of thin, what does that make Tobey in 3?

SparkySywer said:

BB-Rey said:

I really get the impression from taking into account this, George’s conversation with James Cameron, and the Yoda arc that they’re Immortal beings who study and watch the events of the mortal beings and they are the Force. They created Anakin to combat the growing threat of the Dark Side which took the Force out of Balance as it may have always been told by a central Whill. It makes me wonder if part of the journey of the Sequel Trilogy would’ve been about the grandchildren of Anakin discovering their deeper connection to the Force. Similar in a way to the Ones on Mortis. They’d become the embodiments of Light and Dark to maintain long term balance with Anakin serving as Father.

Thank God we never got George Lucas’s sequel trilogy

Pretty unnecessary bump.

Spuffure said:
Also, early ‘60s songs are shit.

*cries in American Graffiti*

Lando’s cape only got ruined by Solo taking it too far and making him officially a cape guy. After looking at all the movies as honestly as I could I would agree ESB is put on a pedestal, but the first sequel to Star Wars really could have fell flat on its face and instead it accomplishes almost everything with flying colors, the fact that ESB gets all this praise as the best of the series speaks to just how well it really did stick the landing.

Sad to hear it, really helped keep the site alive without it being a cesspool.

It’s a bit of a time will tell situation, and I completely agree with you Rodney about the false dichotomy when talking about these things, discussing over text is also hard it sometimes carries this unintentional debate confrontation energy, when it’s not like any of us is the only one with valid points, there’s just enough to consider it’s not a straight line. The dynamics of Star Wars and its relationship between the audience over 3 trilogies and 40 years is not easily summarized.

It is part devil’s advocate but I’m mostly making the same point as you just in the reverse direction. I already clarified in my responses I don’t subscribe to that specific characterization or endorse bending to the will of the fandom. To me the extreme wording makes it a bit of a strawman which again is not what I’m saying is reality, but it’s also what I’m calling the canary in the coal mine, it might not be that extreme a response with your average mildly disappointed paying customer but analyzing the crossover in thought, taking those rumblings into consideration, that’s all worthwhile for the deeper conversation for me, and a more accurate picture which doesn’t appeal to authority (liked and shared youtube reviews don’t reflect the people’s opinion but a small segment of movie critics do).

Your tone is different but it feels like the same hand waving lumping together the general audience opinion based on assumptions of their consensus, then when it swings the other way circumstances make it all too speculative to say, I never said the fandom even should be validated as the feelings of the average audience member, it’s more like an undeniable echo, or a canary in the coal mine. But I’m not endorsing the hater narrative or kowtowing to the minority, just to say the less extreme feelings, the range within that overlap is meaningful to the deeper conversation, outside of fandom’s personal opinions and conclusions.

Again I could cite my own real world interactions with non fandom people but I don’t want to just speak from anecdotes which can also easily be discounted by nature of being an anecdote.

My stance also is not about criticizing the movie, it’s when you say those feelings are only with the fandom you also are making an assumption of reality and all contrary data is insufficient to extrapolate from and so can be dismissed as virtually nonexistent (“that’s just Star Wars fans”). I wouldn’t assume the average person hated the movie they paid to see, but you don’t have to commit to full boycott to be disappointed while still going to see the next one because you’ve been a fan for decades and it’s the holiday event to go with your friends and family. Like TFA didn’t reach 2 billion all on its own merits, no more than Jurassic World.

Broom Kid said:
Is there some venn diagramming of the “Silent Majority” as you put it and the vocal side of a much, much smaller segment of that audience that self-identifies as “the fandom?” Definitely. Is that venn diagramming all that important to anyone but the people in that self-identified fandom? Not really.

I’m with you through most of this, but this absolutely is important to the studio, they want a four quadrant blockbuster.

I’m also not sure what it is you’re trying to argue in this context? That if things were different, they’d be different? TFA was liked. A lot. It wasn’t merely “Tolerated” to the level of success it enjoyed.

It’s popularity doesn’t negate or invalidate people’s feelings about the movie though. I’m not saying “Well, it was popular, so your criticisms don’t count” I have problems with TFA as a movie, too. What I’m saying is that trying to reframe its obvious and observable success both financially and critically as a mass exercise in tolerance doesn’t make any sense to me if you’re trying to reflect reality at all, nor does trying to frame TLJ’s reception (which was remarkably good if not AS remarkable as TFA’s) as a result of the general audience’s collective pent-up rage being unleashed.

It’s not always arguing, sometimes it’s just begging the question. I don’t fully agree with either characterization, TFA is a crowd pleaser and it wasn’t accepted begrudgingly, but there’s a kernel of truth without tackling hyperbole as literal. Mostly I don’t like how dismissive people can be because it feels like its own cherry picking, the numbers don’t matter even the week to week drop offs, the audience scores can be manipulated, my inner circle observations are anecdotal, the reviews even some made within weeks of initial release only represent the views of a small minority with an indiscernible overlap so the rest is unknowable and indisputable. Feels convenient and arbitrary, like I could use the same logic for any movie that wasn’t a colossal bomb. I get it that the studios shouldn’t feel held hostage to some 1% of fans in a twitter mob that just won’t shut up, but in this case it comes off as a failure to extrapolate or skewing the result to reduce those numbers to only the most passionately disgruntled.

Broom Kid said:
it certainly didn’t sour to the point where anyone could claim its “tolerated” popularity was only kept afloat due to the power of hope that sequels would “fix” it.

This suggested POV seems to be reflecting a small and extremely online subsect of the film’s (exponentially) larger audience.

So if box office numbers can’t be measurable (fine if you meant negligible, though that’s also somewhat subjective) because stacked circumstances make it all speculative, doesn’t the other side of that coin include inflated box office in the first place due to the brand? What about the Luke Skywalker tease at the end of TFA, that was bait on the hook for many legacy fans to return regardless of their feelings on the movie. What about the prequels? Many who hated TPM still returned for the other two with similar hope that it would all come together in the end. You can’t imply the silent majority in no way reflects the vocal side of the community.

I still think it’s more than fair to say many opinions on TFA soured over time, and after TROS all three went down in favor retroactively once audiences saw what it amounted to in the end. TFA unresolved is much better when all the potential for it to be anything was still there.

Irvin Kershner is overrated for his work on ESB and is not the reason that movie is so good.

Can we get an update on this?

get. coverage.

Spuffure said:

Not to mention, I don’t like Axl Rose’s voice. I think it is grating.

I’ll remind you this thread is for unpopular opinions.

I feel it’s more about authenticity, less quality. Though I don’t think we reach ‘what could have been’ territory without a disappointing result, grass is always greener etc, the emphasis has been on auteur theory (of which Lucas himself believes). You can still like one thing better than the other or find another artist who personally takes the risks you like to see or achieves your idea of a satisfying result, it’s true even auteur theory doesn’t define or determine good or bad, but for some of us and now maybe even more after TROS that’s the vision we rather would have seen, for its authenticity, quality not guaranteed.

How is Star Wars being originally intended for children up for debate?

JJ: She’ll make 1.5 billion before streaming, she may not look like much but she’s got it where it counts, kid. I’ve made a lot of special modifications myself, but we’re a little rushed so if you’ll just get on board, we’ll get out of here.

Is it time for a new thread? Seems to be getting more into comparisons between the whole saga now, less specific to TROS. Think it’s a good time for that since the dust has sort of settled.

Interesting thought, Anchorhead, the animation style sounds like it would make a nice harmony between the CGI Clone Wars and Genndy’s stylized 2D version.