act on instinct

NFBisms said:

It doesn’t really mean anything to anyone here because yeah, the movie is just not enjoyable to watch - but I at least respect AotC more than TROS.

This is a good distinction to make, I appreciate the ambition and even the courage to test the untested, it really depends on how you measure success. From my point of view TROS never gets as boring as AotC but it also never gets as interesting.

I would love to gather as much workprint footage as possible from the OT, I wish I had full access to the archives back to the animatics and just how they cut together those old WWII movies for the trench run. Would be a great educational piece to recut the trilogy augmented with their original conception.

Would Yoda have still existed if Kenobi wasn’t killed off? If so what would Kenobi be doing in ESB? And if not where would Luke be instead of his Dagobah vacation?

It’s the worst paced of the three, I think uneven is pretty fair. Compared scene for scene it might have some of the lowest and highest points of the trilogy for me, probably more lighthearted than what a lot of people wanted but I definitely don’t consider it a failure.

I always took “Return of the Jedi” to mean the return of Jedi in a general sense. He wasn’t a Jedi in the last movie, all through this movie he’s told he must confront Vader before he is a Jedi (og Jedi gatekeeping), when he does and redeems Vader only then does Luke finally become a Jedi, marking their return.

ZkinandBonez said:

This one’s kind of a stretch as far as SW is concerned, but there is a short ROTJ segment and a bit if ESB scattered here and there, and it does showcase a lot of the techniques used in the OT so I figured I’d post it here anyway.
Thanks to darth-gary for sending me the link to this video.

Special Effects - 1984 documentary on SFX
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hp1Y_kVL6a0 - from the Cinema Garmonbozia YouTube channel (53 mins long)

Skip to 21:15 for the segment on the use of steadicams on the ROTJ speeder chase scene, and at 34:10 they discuss sound effects and foley, briefly using ESB as an example.

I couldn’t find any other info about this documentary, not even an IMDB page, so if you know anything else about this, please let me know and I’ll update this post.

Magnificent find!

Mediocre was just the meanest I could go for the thread, it more underwhelmed me for the reasons you’re both saying. I think a lot of the cult following in the first place has to do with there being way less half decent sci-fi shows at the time, it didn’t exactly deserve to be canceled but the fanbase tipped the scales enough that once I watched the whole series and movie I was left wondering what was so special.

Firefly is cliche characters in a mediocre package

I was thinking about if some creative audio splicing could have Palpatine say “I made Rey” rather than Snoke and just leave it at that. The Rey/Palpatine connection is still pretty trite but at least it sounds more like a thing he would do and could remain somewhat cryptic, Rey as his literal granddaughter is just too dumb.

Just echoing NFBisms here, find who you jell with, make friends, help each other, stay friends. Also remember it’s a marathon not a sprint.

To be truthful you have to be pretty young even without any pop culture knowledge to spend more than a minute or so with Yoda and not realize it’s him, the official reveal is more for Luke than the audience save for young children. Darth Vader was the real twist.

Right in the pocket, with everyone here.

If anything I think you might have it backwards, you would do better to never see Yoda but hearing his name is just fine.

What’s the shot?

Agreed, especially for 35mm it really is fairly clean and unlike the very perceptible grain from 16mm, on the other end as more versions are made I’m happy to see all 3 get the real grindhouse treatment.

In that vein it should also be noted that Star Wars has a lot to say about personal choice vs destiny, the ultimate evil character The Emperor is the one to proclaim “everything is as I have forseen” while Yoda is one to say “always in motion is the future” showing their differences in predestination. Anakin is given a choice and is specifically told he must choose and chooses the dark side (out of fear), Luke also makes a choice to reject that path. It’s there the morals about agency are very intentional, if somewhat muddled.

SparkySywer said:

ZigZig said:

Indeed, Tantive3+1’s proposal looks very nice, but is moving away from the theatrical version.

Well to be fair, so is this entire project with AotC and RotS. It isn’t so much a restoration of the film versions shown in theaters, it’s an edit that makes them look like film, an entire third version.

Too true, but in the case of those both were shot on digital. When the goal is to emulate 35mm film and TPM has a film reference the closest match to the look of real film will be to follow the reference.

Can confirm from having seen Phantom Menace in theaters, a long time ago…

I wish Walt Disney was alive to have seen Star Wars.

Broom Kid said:

DominicCobb said:

Writers rooms aren’t committees, arguably movies could stand to implement the practice as well.

Leia Organa isn’t a committee

Broom Kid, you’re alright…

Nothing wrong with a writers room especially with a series there’s too much material for the auteur approach which I also wouldn’t want here. It’s the people above the writers, the producers and executives deciding which creatives get replaced and have ultimate say over which direction to take the story, this latest change doesn’t mean to imply the production is doomed, it’s a little concerning, a lot concerning if it continues to happen. What it seems like is they haven’t totally made up their mind yet, so it still could be all for the best I just personally hope Lucasfilm swings for the fences rather than plays it safe. I’m not rooting for anything to fail.

My worry with the committee process is that the desire to protect the source limits the result, at this point I’d rather take a risk, to your point I also generally dislike 90% of TV.

Awesome work as always Dre!

I know Lucas doesn’t have the greatest reputation on here, but I want him involved. This is a character he developed and has spent a lot of time with, very close to home. I understand the creative reshuffling is because they’re taking this project very seriously but I fear the committee process will potentially spoil the broth anyway by being too precious with the property. There is great potential in a Kenobi series and I’d like to see it unleashed, warts and all, if the show is overly concerned with what it can’t be I worry it will never achieve all that it can be.

Another thought: Why not take this series and roll it out more piecemeal? Like BBC’s Sherlock. Disney+ has already gone their own way from Netflix when the Mandalorian released their episodes weekly, they make their own schedule. Kenobi is huge, big enough to have been a movie, if they’re so worried about how it’s received why not play it by ear with fewer and longer episodes between breaks?

What about an ARC-170?

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