ZkinandBonez

If Palpatine ever had to face someone wielding a lightsabr I always imagined he’d do something similar to what he did in Dark Empire;

The elderly Palpatine with a lightsaber just seems weird to me. The fight with Mace in ROTS, even when I watched it at age 13, just seemed silly and weird. An actual duel seemed to me to be below him,and not necessary. I always imagined his Dark side powers to be far beyond the need for a duel. The same goes for Yoda.

(I’m actually kind of amused by Lucas’ claims that he wished to go back to more artsy films, especially when athefight between Palpatine and Yoda was a golden opportunity to get weird and abstract with the Force. A “Force Battle” in my mind should be a more aggressive version of the Dagobah cave scene in ESB.
This is another thing that I liked about Dark Empire; it made the Force into an interesting and very abstract weapon. Yes it did resort to a Palpatine vs Luke duel, but it made Palpatine younger, thereby knocking him down to Luke’s level. When Palpatine was old, and even when he was young, he would use the Force in some pretty creative and crazy ways.)

Density said:

Putting on my serious face for a second, I have actually seen no anime, except maybe a couple episodes of Pokemon years ago if that counts. But I have less than zero interest in it, so… Knock yourselves out if you like it.

Well, you’re still treating it as one thing though.

There’s no “it” with anime, it’s a generalised term for an entire country’s animated industry.
If all you’ve seen is Pokemon I can see where you’re coming from though. However if you look up something like f.ex. Grave of the Fireflies on YouTube (just the trailer or a random scene) you’ll see how varied “anime” can be.

Density said:

BillionaireHobo287 said:

TV’s Frink said:

I’ve seen all of it. It’s all objectively bad.

Are you joking, or did you just not enjoy them because of overhype or cultural differences?

I too have seen all of them. I didn’t enjoy them, but not because they were overhyped or cultural differences. As a matter of fact, I wish American culture was more like Japanese culture as I wish it was socially acceptable to watch cartoon schoolgirls get molested by tentacles. I also like stuff that is overhyped because I like to be a contrarian to contrarians. So that wasn’t the problem.

No, I just didn’t think it was clear enough when anime characters were expressing emotions. I found the whole thing far too subtle and found it difficult to understand character motivations. It needed more ridiculously exaggerated character animation and more characters screaming things obnoxiously that no human would ever say. Plus, the acting wasn’t nearly bad enough for my tastes.

The heck did I just read?

I’ve said it before and I’ll sat it again; how does anyone even manage to generalise an entire country’s animation as one thing? Sure, there’s a lot of trash in anime, as it is with any film/TV industry, but some of it’s pretty good, occasionally even brilliant (as it is with any film/TV industry).

Is it really that strange that each planet only has one ecosystem considering SW is as much, if not more, a fantasy as it’s sci-fi? The planets in the Galaxy is basically just a space version of the different kingdoms/regions of Middle Earth (+ the whole Flash Gordon thing that SilverWook mentioned.)

SilverWook said:

Aside from the all purpose scum, there don’t seem to be many derogatory terms used in the SW universe, at least not heard on screen.

Well, both the movies and the EU have had some pretty interesting swear words over the years, although very few of them are real-life curses;
http://scifi.about.com/od/starwarsglossaryandfaq/a/SWAR_curses-and-expletives.htm

(My favorite is “Sith-spit!”)

NeverarGreat said:

ZkinandBonez said:

NeverarGreat said:

My idea of the timescales of ESB hinges on the assumption that Bespin is a planet in the Hoth system:

Well, while attached to the Star Destroyer Han says that they’re in the “Anoat system” so they clearly left the Hoth system when escaping into the asteroid field.
According to the EU (both versions) Bespin is in the Bespin System which is in the Anoat Sector.
Either way, Bespin is at least not in the Hoth system.
That would regardless have made Han’s “it’s pretty far, but I think we could make it” statement pretty pointless if it was simply in the same solar system.

The Anoat system could be another planetary system in the Hoth solar system. I’d say that’s actually quite likely given that their passage from the Ice Planet into the asteroids and then their escape from the asteroids are both short sequences. I don’t expect that they could have gotten very far, and certainly not into another solar system light years away.

As for the EU:

Sure, it’s not impossible, “pretty far” is vague when dealing with a sci-fi/fantasy franchise that isn’t always that consistent or even that logical. However, I don’t really see how you can have two solar systems in the same system? I can’t imagine even SW would stretch it that far, despite clearly having no idea what a parsec actually is, etc. Also we have no idea what sub-light speed really means, at least not within sources that are purely films related. Sub-light speed, might be just short of light speed for all we know, which is pretty fast. But again, don’t know how far you’d get on that, and I’m pretty sure that neither Lucas/Kasdan/Kershner cared either (especially Kershner).

As for the EU explanations; I was just trying to give some examples of how other people have “solved” the problem.

Wouldn’t Tusken Raider technically be worse though if seen from a politically correct stand point in the SW universe (that’s one of the weirdest and silliest things I’ve written). I mean it has “raider” in the name. At least Sand People is pretty neutral.

As a side note, WEG explained that name by attributing it to an historical event (as far as Tatooine is concerned anyway) where some “Sand People” attacked/raided a human settlement Fort Tusken. I always though that was a clever retcon, but now I’m more curious as to what Lucas was thinking about when he came up with “Tusken”.

NeverarGreat said:

My idea of the timescales of ESB hinges on the assumption that Bespin is a planet in the Hoth system:

Well, while attached to the Star Destroyer Han says that they’re in the “Anoat system” so they clearly left the Hoth system when escaping into the asteroid field.
According to the EU (both versions) Bespin is in the Bespin System which is in the Anoat Sector.
Either way, Bespin is at least not in the Hoth system.
That would regardless have made Han’s “it’s pretty far, but I think we could make it” statement pretty pointless if it was simply in the same solar system.

imperialscum said:

ANH - several weeks at least (death star probably cannot use light-speed travel)
ESB - several weeks as well (millennium falcon had broken hyperdrive)
ROTJ - two weeks

I’m pretty sure it’s always been canon that the DS has light-speed capabilities. It has at least always been part of the EUs.
As for non/pre-EU canon, although SW takes huge liberties with its “science” I can’t imagine how many years/decades/etc it would take the DS to reach Yavin at sub-light speed. (Keep in mind that Hoth and Bespin are relatively close.)

Lord Haseo said:

Good for headcanon but bad for actual canon. I wish we could just get a super definitive answer from someone like Kathleen Kennedy or from a canon source.

Why would Kennedy be a more reliable source than Hidalgo?
For a “definitive answer” you’d need to get it from either Lucas or Kasdan (or Kesher if he every talked about it before he died).

Well, here’s two EU (both old and new) answers;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1A7DO_3I1k

Hidalgo points to a Disney-EU novelization that claims that Dagobah, being a planet very strong in the Force, operates on it’s own time and laws of physics. So essentially Luke spent more time on Dagobah, than the Falcon spent travelling to Bespin.

And the old West End Games books estimated that Luke trained for ca. 6 months.

yhwx said:

Well, that’s definitely a "random ‘Star Wars’ pic".
(What is that even? I mean I recognize the scene, but why does it look like that?)

Even more RO photos;
http://www.ew.com/gallery/star-wars-rogue-one-more-photos/2645748_rogue-one-burning-questions

TV’s Frink said:

doubleofive said:

dahmage said:

ZkinandBonez said:

This is an odd picture to release to the public;
it’s a Deathrooper holding a Stormtrooper toy. And according to EW it’s not a bts photo.

i don’t understand what you mean. Why do you think it is odd to release to the public?

Right, it’s an in-universe Stormtrooper figure. Just like having a GI Joe.

Or like Rey having the X-Wing pilot doll.

Fair enough. It just struck me as weird and random when I first saw it, but it makes sense now that I think about it.

However, changing the topic from one “why” to another. No I’m curious as to why an imperial trooper is holding it in the first place? I assume there’s been some kind of massacre (There’s some clear destruction seen in the trailer). But why did the Death trooper pick it up? Why would he care? Did they kill whoever owned it? Then why pick it up? This is the kind of image I’d expect from one of the good guys when witnessing the results of a massacre in order for us to sympathize with them. Did the Rebels kills these people? Seems unlikely, but RO is supposed to have a much darker tone than other SW movies, and Saw Gerrera is already being played up as being somewhat of an terrorist. Didn’t the Bloodlines novel have Leia being accused for some of his war crimes? Maybe this is one of them?

dahmage said:

ZkinandBonez said:

This is an odd picture to release to the public;
it’s a Deathrooper holding a Stormtrooper toy. And according to EW it’s not a bts photo.

i don’t understand what you mean. Why do you think it is odd to release to the public?

It just seems kind of random to me. It seems like the kind of thing that, when taken out of context, would cause some confusion and debate.
I dunno, I just wasn’t expecting a photo of a death trooper holding a toy in a set of photos meant to hype us about an upcoming SW movie.

This is an odd picture to release to the public;
it’s a Deathrooper holding a Stormtrooper toy. And according to EW it’s not a bts photo.

Lord Haseo said:

Seems like we won’t be getting a lot of Vader in Rogue One. It might be for the best (to make sure the other villain is fully realized) but I can’t say I’m not disappointed. I hope we at least get one scene of Vader wrecking some Rebels.

“He will be used sparingly in the movie. But at a key strategic moment, he’s going to loom large”.
At least well be getting a scary Vader, that’s something to look forward to at least. Ans it’s not impossible tat we’ll see him in action.

I did however find this both interesting and somewhat odd;

The other interesting point raised in the article was the fact that Vader is unfamiliar to both the Rebels and Empire alike. Film Director, Gareth Edwards described Vader as “more legend than presence” in the Empire and will be portrayed as such in the movie.

Gareth Edwards: Within the Rebellion, it’s not commonly spoken about. Within the Empire, there is a culture of knowing of the existence of Darth Vader.

Doesn’t this kind of contradict Leia reaction to meeting Vader at the start of ANH? I guess you could just interpret her as being very brave, but she kind of acts as if she’s met him before, or at the very least as if he’s very well known. If he was more of a “legendary” character then her reaction is oddly casual. Or maybe I’m just reading far too much into their wording.

It is however interesting to see how their interpretation of Vader’s role in the Empire pre-ESB is very much the same as have been speculated and discussed previously here on the forum;
Vader doesn’t really play by the rules. He’s present in the military structure, but he’s not beholden to it. He’s not accountable to anybody really, except Palpatine.

MalàStrana said:

I hope it will be explained how Saw Gerrera got that fat in 20 years.

Um, I would assume he ate a lot during said 20 years.
I hardly think that is what requires a backstory here. I’d be more curious as to how his eye colour changed from blue to brown over 20 years. Now that’s something the EU will need to make a contrived explanation for in the future.

I hardly think it would be too much of a stretch to assume that this character was written as an original character for RO then someone at Lucasfilm noticed some similarities to Saw Gerrera and asked them to change the name so that RO could tie in with the EU. I doubt that Gareth Edwards or any of the screenwriters where actively trying to include TCW characters.

http://www.starwarsnewsnet.com/2016/06/vader-in-rogue-one-confirmed.html

http://www.starwarsnewsnet.com/2016/06/episode-viii-footage-shown-during-license-expo-in-vegas-different-age-group-being-targeted-for-rogue-one.html

Tyrphanax said:

Probably with the lighting and stuff it was cheaper and easier to just digitize it than it was to call for a reshoot.

Well, it’s not like they needed Driver for this. They could have just put any guy with a Kylo mask in front of the blue-screen, the fiddled with it digitally to save time. Making a Kylo 3D model seem like a waste of time to me, bu then again when you have a 200 mill. budget I guess you have to use all that money on something.

Smithers said:

yhwx said:

DominicCobb said:

yhwx said:

Tyrphanax said:

I’m sure the CGI is better in ROTS than AOTC, I just didn’t know it was that bad.

I was about to mention the CG R2, but after reexamination, it doesn’t seem that bad.

CG R2 is painfully obvious every time he rears (swivels) his ugly head.

Somehow I noticed CG R2 immediately in TFA which I initially thought meant rough CGI but comparing with the PT it’s not even close. TFA looks practically photo real (I think it’s probably just the movement that’s not quite Kenny Baker perfect and thus feeling a bit off and CG).

Yeah.

Still not sure how they pulled off the CG Kylo mask in TFA.

Umm… what?

I’m too lazy to find to the video, but here’s a screenshot showing how they replaced a shot of Adam Driver without the mask with a CG shot of Kylo Ren with the mask on.

(*PS. Even though it says “digital Kylo Ren” wouldn’t it have made more sense for them to simply do a re-shoot with literally anyone wearing the mask, rather than creating a CG model of Kylo Ren?)

Lord Haseo said:

ZkinandBonez said:

Lord Haseo said:

ZkinandBonez said:

I probably would have preferred him to maybe choke someone over a tiny mistake or something like that, or maybe just growl at people like he did at the end of ESB (pre-SE).Something to visualize/illustrate his anger without smashing stuff around him.

I would rather him hack someone to bits with his lightsaber or break someone’s neck. Something more brutal to show that this isn’t generic Vader rage but something more

Maybe, it just seems savage even for Vader as far a I’m concerned.

Nothing is too savage for a Sith Lord…

Well, I can’t really argue with that, I just feel that Vader is more tactical than pointlessly brutal.
(Also, as a side-note, I don’t really see what’s so Sith about him, he behaves much more like a dark jedi, but that’s a completely different argument.)

Lord Haseo said:

ZkinandBonez said:

Lord Haseo said:

ZkinandBonez said:

Vader used to be tactical and patient, sure he killed a lot of his own men in the OT, but never out of rage.

I’m pretty sure his men failing him angered him and that anger is why he killed them.

I’d say it was more his sense of discipline and control. Also killing people like Ozzel was simply tactical. I just don’t see anger in it, but then again I’m seeing this from a pre-PT perspective.

Lord Haseo said:

ZkinandBonez said:

Lord Haseo said:

ZkinandBonez said:

Lord Haseo said:

ZkinandBonez said:

Finding out about Luke should be not so much an explosion of feelings, but rather a tiny crack in his emotional barrier which gradually grows over the course of the next-few-years/movies.

If anything finding out Ahsoka was alive would do this minus the gradual growing. Family bonds are different.

I guess. But did he really care for Luke prior to ROTJ? Maybe he did, I just never got that impression. He seemed more interested in killing the Emperor with his help at first. I just don’t really see Vader caring for anyone that much at this stage.

Luke. You can destroy the Emperor. He has foreseen this. It is your destiny. Join me, and together we can rule the galaxy as father and son. Come with me. It is the only way.

Son, come with me.

Seems pretty personal to me

Again, I’d call it tactical. He’s trying to seduce him to the dark side. Calling him “son” and promising him the death of the emperor, as well as offering him power is all very tactical. I’d hardly call it a heartfelt father-son moment. He’s basically just trying to remedy the situation. (If anything I’d say it’s more akin to the “Dun Möch” thing you brought up further down.)

Lord Haseo said:

ZkinandBonez said:

Lord Haseo said:

ZkinandBonez said:

Even in ROTJ his immediate reaction to learning about Leia, without hesitation, was again, turning her to the dark side.

I always saw that as Vader trying to draw Luke out of hiding. Vader was proficient in Dun Möch ya know 😉

Fair enough, but I’m not sure if I’m too convinced that Dun Möch was the intention back in 1980. But, yes he was trying to draw Luke out. But if he had such an explosion of emotion finding out about Luke, then isn’t it slightly weird that his immediate though when learning about Leia is to use her as bait.

Lord Haseo said:

ZkinandBonez said:

Lord Haseo said:

ZkinandBonez said:

This I just don’t buy, Luke was clearly ready to die there, and I don’ really see how Vader would have known he would survive. Maybe he knew Luke was alive when he growls at the Imperial officer later on, but when Luke fell I don’t see how he’d assume anything other than that his son was falling to his death.

Aboard the bridge he instantly know that Luke is alright so the anger stems from Luke slipping through his grasp.

Also he could have known because of precognition just like he knew Luke didn’t fall to his death when he got sucked out of the window.

That’s seem like a bit of a cop out to me.
Also, I wasn’t talking about Vader on the bridge of the Star Destroyer, but a very short moment before when he’s leaving the Carbon Freeze chamber. In the unaltered version of ESB he growls “bring my shuttle” in a clearly angry tone. And outside of any of the fights, it’s the harshest tone he’s ever had in the entire PT.

Lord Haseo said:

ZkinandBonez said:

Lord Haseo said:

ZkinandBonez said:

I don’t really see how that’s comparable to finding out about Luke. But still, I honestly wouldn’t have complained if him finding out about Luke had resulted in a similar silent, and in addition, simply thoughtful, kind of a moment.

I’m not comparing it to anything; I’m just using it as an example of Vader showing emotion pre ROTJ. That’s actually the first genuine emotional moment the audience sees from Vader.

Sure, but even in ANH he does show frustration and even surprise at the end. And this scene really doesn’t convey more than, again, disappointment.

Lord Haseo said:

ZkinandBonez said:

Lord Haseo said:

ZkinandBonez said:

You know what, I’m not even sure why I’m arguing against this story, I haven’t even read the whole thing, just what I could find online + what’s been posted on the forum. I’m probably just tired of seeing this Vader; https://66.media.tumblr.com/8325f965faf10d6e8fc002f612fee202/tumblr_miznvdiK991rkvurgo1_500.jpg
http://i.stack.imgur.com/R1dGS.jpg
and much prefer the darker and more menacing villain that he used to be. I don’t mind there being emotional depth to the character, I just think that it’s been somewhat cheaply, or at least too “obviously” done in the last ten years.

I think it depends on the timeline. If Vader is still sulking about Padme without provocation (as in having her being brought up) shortly before SW occurs then that would irritate me

Well, that’s kind of my point. Many of these stories that I mentioned were taking place around ANH. One that especially bugged me (and this was before I disliked the PT) showed Vader having a Padme moment right after the Death Star. And she wasn’t brought up, he just saw some woman that looked nothing like her and for some reason the writers decided that this was just what Vader was like now. But I’ll admit that the new Marvel comic in question had a good excuse.

I think we’re both seeing this from two very different perspectives. I see a character that was created and established in the 70’s and 80’s and treat him as such. I keep forgetting that modern SW writers don’t really give a damn about and simply write the character based on a lot of PT-retconning.
So you’re not wrong about him thinking about Padme, or him using Dun Möch, I’m just arguing that it’s not how the original Vader would have behaved.

SilverWook said:

I don’t think there was ever any onscreen evidence he hung around the DS later in the movie anyway?

No, there isn’t, I just have a hard time adapting to the differences in the canons when it’s so blatantly related to movie characters, I keep forgetting that it’s technically an EU detail regardless.

It’s just kind of hardwired into my brain that he died on the DS.

EDIT: Does anyone know if it was Lucas canon that Cassio Tagge died on the DS before Disney took over, or was it just an EU explanation

Lord Haseo said:

ZkinandBonez said:

I probably would have preferred him to maybe choke someone over a tiny mistake or something like that, or maybe just growl at people like he did at the end of ESB (pre-SE).Something to visualize/illustrate his anger without smashing stuff around him.

I would rather him hack someone to bits with his lightsaber or break someone’s neck. Something more brutal to show that this isn’t generic Vader rage but something more

Maybe, it just seems savage even for Vader as far a I’m concerned. Vader used to be tactical and patient, sure he killed a lot of his own men in the OT, but never out of rage. Yes, finding out about Luke is different, I just don’t see the adult Vader doing a Anakin/Kylo moment. Maybe early days Vader, but not post ANH Vader. I feel that with someone like Vader, even if he simply killed an officer for a less-serious mistake than usual that it could convey that he was holding in a lot of frustration and anger.

Lord Haseo said:

ZkinandBonez said:

I also feel that it’s very important that Vader at this point in his life is pretty emotionless and machine-like. He has after all been Vader for almost 20 years at this point. And keep in mind that this is the Vader that killed his old master and friend without any hesitation what-so-ever.

He hated Obi-Wan though…

Yeah, that’s true.
I’ll retract that observation.

Lord Haseo said:

ZkinandBonez said:

Finding out about Luke should be not so much an explosion of feelings, but rather a tiny crack in his emotional barrier which gradually grows over the course of the next-few-years/movies.

If anything finding out Ahsoka was alive would do this minus the gradual growing. Family bonds are different.

I guess. But did he really care for Luke prior to ROTJ? Maybe he did, I just never got that impression. He seemed more interested in killing the Emperor with his help at first. I just don’t really see Vader caring for anyone that much at this stage. Even in ROTJ his immediate reaction to learning about Leia, without hesitation, was again, turning her to the dark side.

Lord Haseo said:

ZkinandBonez said:

Even in ESB, a few years later he’s still emotionally cold enough to cut his own son’s hand off,

That’s true but he had to because Luke wouldn’t give up.

I dunno, there’s plenty of moments there where he’s just pounding on him with his lightsaber. He even has him sucked out a window. Did he actually predict that he would survive that? But, I’ll concede that this scene probably took some liberties for the sake of making the fight interesting.

Lord Haseo said:

ZkinandBonez said:

And when Luke actually drops into the abyss his reaction is surprisingly neutral, disappointment at most.

I think he knew fully that Luke would survive somehow and his reaction was just that. Disappointment.

This I just don’t buy, Luke was clearly ready to die there, and I don’ really see how Vader would have known he would survive. Maybe he knew Luke was alive when he growls at the Imperial officer later on, but when Luke fell I don’t see how he’d assume anything other than that his son was falling to his death.

And I personally think that he is, at least consciously, only seeing Luke as an asset at this point.

Lord Haseo said:

ZkinandBonez said:

It’s not really until ROTJ that he’s starting to show real emotions. That crack has had plenty of time to grow in those years.

Not really. His reaction to the Millennium Falcon escaping at the end of ESB where he turns away then looks back to empty space only to finally walk off is actually telling. Not only that he didn’t even kill the Imperial that failed him. On a side note I can’t believe that scene isn’t up on youtube.

I don’t really see how that’s comparable to finding out about Luke. But still, I honestly wouldn’t have complained if him finding out about Luke had resulted in a similar silent, and in addition, simply thoughtful, kind of a moment.

You know what, I’m not even sure why I’m arguing against this story, I haven’t even read the whole thing, just what I could find online + what’s been posted on the forum. I’m probably just tired of seeing this Vader; https://66.media.tumblr.com/8325f965faf10d6e8fc002f612fee202/tumblr_miznvdiK991rkvurgo1_500.jpg
http://i.stack.imgur.com/R1dGS.jpg
and much prefer the darker and more menacing villain that he used to be. I don’t mind there being emotional depth to the character, I just think that it’s been somewhat cheaply, or at least too “obviously” done in the last ten years.

I think it boils down to why I prefer the original version of the scene in ROTJ where Vader decides to save Luke as opposed to the SE version. The original is subtle, but still conveys great emotional depth. The new version more-or-less does the same, but it’s too blatant and in-your-face.

Lord Haseo said:

ZkinandBonez said:

Lord Haseo said:

One of he things that I liked with old EU stories is that they would acknowledge Vader’s feelings, but without having him smash stuff in the process (SOTE is a good example of this). He tended to keep it to himself.

I think it depends on the situation. Finding out that your Master lied to you about killing your pregnant wife and kids is something that warrants some anger. Visible anger. No one other than a droid would be able to hold that in.

You know I could be cheeky and simply write “he’s more machine than man, now”, but I more or less agree with you. Smashing the bridge of a Star Destroyer however just seems a tad silly and reckless to me, and as I mentioned, a bit too obviously taken from ROTS. I probably would have preferred him to maybe choke someone over a tiny mistake or something like that, or maybe just growl at people like he did at the end of ESB (pre-SE). Something to visualize/illustrate his anger without smashing stuff around him. Had it been a novel I think I’d simply preferred a description of his frustration/anger/etc. (maybe him snapping at some officers, etc.), but I understand that a comic needs to visualize this anger. This new version however just has too much of a Hayden-Anakin-vibe for me.
I’m not really saying it’s terrible, I just find it to be a bit too much.

I also feel that it’s very important that Vader at this point in his life is pretty emotionless and machine-like. He has after all been Vader for almost 20 years at this point. And keep in mind that this is the Vader that killed his old master and friend without any hesitation what-so-ever. Finding out about Luke should be not so much an explosion of feelings, but rather a tiny crack in his emotional barrier which gradually grows over the course of the next-few-years/movies. Even in ESB, a few years later he’s still emotionally cold enough to cut his own son’s hand off, and when he actually thinks he’s died, he only grows a bit at his men. And when Luke actually drops into the abyss his reaction is surprisingly neutral, disappointment at most. It’s not really until ROTJ that he’s starting to show real emotions. That crack has had plenty of time to grow in those years.

(PS, my first statement about Vader throwing tantrums wasn’t directed at this comic in specific, I just find a lot of the post ROTS Vader stories to be kind of annoying. Even the Dark Horse comics over-used ROTS references for several years. (Seriously, for a couple of years every Vader comic I read had him experience random flash-backs to Padme. I get that they wanted to acknowledge the PT, but it got tiresome really fast, and it did make Vader seem like an moody teenager). Over-all I think Disney is actually doing it pretty well so far. Although I haven’t seen any episodes of Rebels, I did read somewhere that they were told to not humanize Vader since it was pre-ESB/ROTJ, and that he should more-or-less just be a cold-hearted killing machine.)

Lord Haseo said:

ZkinandBonez said:

Lord Haseo said:

But even that reaction is up for interpretation.

It was released pre ESB, was it not? If so then it shouldn’t be. At that time Vader was just a one dimensional (but great) baddie. He wasn’t like the Vader of ESB and ROTJ and Kylo Ren.

Totally, what I meant was that it was ambiguous enough to be interpreted from a post-ESB standpoint, hence I don’t need to alter anything in my personal head-canon.
But yes, it was definitely intended to be the pre-Luke’s-father, purely an evil guy, Vader.