ZkinandBonez

Lord Haseo said:

Compared to Kylo Ren’s outbursts Vader cracking glass of a Star Destroyer doesn’t really count as a tantrum. Also Vader wouldn’t just shrug off at the fact he has a son. That’s just not who he is.

Well, “tantrum” might have been a poor choice of words, but it is a bit too similar to the end of ROTS for my taste. One of he things that I liked with old EU stories is that they would acknowledge Vader’s feelings, but without having him smash stuff in the process (SOTE is a good example of this). He tended to keep it to himself.
I personally just find the more ambiguous pre-PT Vader more interesting. But I do agree that Vader’s reaction in the old Marvel comics is, retroactively, somewhat bland. But even that reaction is up for interpretation.

SilverWook said:

Tyrphanax said:

SilverWook said:

I sort of get the impression that the Emperor lost faith in guys like Tarkin after the first Death Star fiasco, and gave Vader more autonomy.

I agree.

One of the things I liked a lot about the new Marvel comics run is that Vader was on the Emperor’s bad side for surviving the Death Star’s destruction, and so the Emperor put him under the command of Commander Tagge (who you’ll remember as the “Until this battlestation is fully operational, we are vulnerable” guy from the Death Star conference room), who left the Death Star “to be with his precious fleet” before it was destroyed. There’s an interesting dynamic there that I enjoy, where Tagge is very tactical and takes the Rebellion seriously and is a bit arrogant having been proven right about the Rebels and the Death Star, and I like the idea of Vader having to re-earn his way back into the Emperor’s good graces, plus a lot of those characters have been criminally underused and ignored through the years.

That’s interesting, because Luke crossed paths, (and swords) with two other members of the Tagge family in the original Marvel run.

Didn’t the Tagge seen in ANH blow up with the DS?
Also I find it interesting that Marvel is utilising the Tagges again.

PS. You could argue that Luke “crossed paths” with four Tagged, although he didn’t meet either Ulric or Silas Tagge face to face.

DuracellEnergizer said:

DominicCobb said:

Tobar said:

Lord Haseo said:

I think they handled it pretty well despite the shitty premise. The “duel” would have been less than 10 seconds if it were in film or TV and it sewed the seeds of Vader finding out he had a son. Though he could have found that out some other way such as having looking at Luke through a security recording and seeing his old lightsaber and putting two and two together later on.

Meh, it was awful. Vader’s quest for the pilot who destroyed the Death Star in the original Marvel run was pretty epic. Through multiple issues he hunted down any leads he could find to discover the name of the pilot before he finally succeeded:

Very cool but a bit of a continuity snag in hindsight as Vader’s reaction isn’t quite what it would be considering the revelations of certain film yet to be released at the time.

Well, there is also Dark Horse’s version of how Vader discovered Luke’s identity. In that story, Vader goes into a batshit homicidal panic attack when he learns the news.

I think I prefer Marvel’s original version.

Wait, wasn’t the Marvel comics officially part of the EU even when Dark Horse had the comic licence? So how can there be two versions?

(PS I wasn’t even born on the 70’s, and apart from the slightly off “narration”, I much prefer the Marvel version. Also I hate how the post ROTS Vader always has to throw a tantrum over everything, I much prefer the calmer Vader from the 70’s.)

DominicCobb said:

Get a digital copy and fan edit the book. Easy.

Now that makes a lot more sense to me.

I read the trilogy for the first time after having seen TFA, so I just stick to having two head-canons (well, technically three).

Tobar said:

Shouldn’t be that complicated since they’re just babies throughout that trilogy right? My version of this is probably the more complicated one, where I replace Dash Rendar and Leebo in Shadows of the Empire with Kyle Katarn and Jan Ors.

Sure, I just can’t imagine reading the books and constantly having to make a mental note that the “twins” is just a boy named Ben, not to mention having to ignore their names constantly.
F.ex. the most complicated my personal retconning has ever gotten is ignoring page 1 of Marvel’s Star Wars #11 (e.g. a short recap of a story I didn’t care for). Constantly retconning two characters, despite being babies, just seems very difficult to me.

However I will admit that your Dash Rendar retcon/replacing sounds damn right tedious.
Also; why?
I’ll admit that Dash isn’t the greatest character ever made, but why replace him? Also how do you make his personality and character development fit with Katarn’s? Not to mention the whole “dying” at the end thing? As a fan of Katarn I’m genuinely curious as to how all this works in your canon.

EDIT. (Come to think of it, with all the Jedi Outcast and Jedi Academy mods I’m kind of surprised that no one has ever modded the Shadows of the Empire game to include Katarn from Dark Forces II.)

suspiciouscoffee said:

My personal canon:

Most of the Thrawn Trilogy (replace Jaina and Jacen with Ben)

Not that I’m complaining or anything, but how exactly do you make that work?

(Do you skip certain chapters, lines…? I mean I too nitpick my stories, but this sounds somewhat complicated.)

MalàStrana said:

Even Shadows of the Empire has been erased ? It was such a huge thing in the 90’s (book, comics, soundtrack album, video games, action figures, etc.)…

Yeah, I don’t get it either. It makes no references to any post ROTJ Legends stories (e.g Thrawn, Ben Skywalker, etc.), nor has it any connection to any pre-existing EU stories, so it was pretty much made to be it’s own unique stand-alone story. Disney/Marvel/Lucasfilm could save a lot of time and money filling in the ANH-ESB gap by simply re-canonizing or re-telling Shadows of the Empire. It would also calm down the whole “bring back the EU” crowd somewhat, and it wouldn’t in any way contradict the new movies. Then again I haven’t read any of the new books or comics, so maybe it does contradict something? Has any of the new EU material taken place in his time-period?

HansiG said:

ZkinandBonez said:

Frank your Majesty said:

Colson said:

My personal canon is actually three separate personal canons.

Canon 1: Star Wars, by itself (original theatrical, of course). This allows for things like Luke and Leia not being related, Vader not being Luke’s father, etc. I like this idea simply because it allows me to enjoy Star Wars as a standalone film with its own separate story. Whereas Empire and Return were explicitly as sequels, Star Wars was its own, independent movie.

Canon 2: The original trilogy in its unaltered state. I consider this trilogy to be its “own thing” in that I consider it to be a story that does and should exist separately from everything else.

Canon 3: The original trilogy in its unaltered state, plus any new Disney movies that might come out. I justify not including the Special Editions/prequels by assuming that the people working on the new movies have a love for the originals similar my own love, so their head canon probably involves the unaltered originals and not the Special Editions.

I like this.

Ditto.

Huh?

I saw TPM on VHS in 1999 because all the kids at my school (1st grade btw) were talking about these weird things that I didn’t understand. It made recess kind if tedious when they constantly had to explain to me what a Wookiee was and I would ask dumb questions such as; “Is the Millennium Falcon some kind of alien bird?” or “this Dark Vader guy is some kind if robot, right?” Basically they wouldn’t play with me until I’d seen the films and knew what I was talking about.
I originally saw TPM and the SE of the OT with my uncle. However I was lucky in that when my mother bought me my own copies of the OT it was the unaltered editions.
Over the next couple of years I went from being the only kid who hadn’t seen SW to being the biggest SW geek in my class.

I would like to see a Yojimbo or Seven Samurai / Magnificent Seven-type story with old Ben Kenobi on Tatooine. No Jedis, no Vader, none or few Imperials, just Ben Kenobi, some new good guys, Jawas, Tuskens & some bandits/smugglers/gangsters/etc as the main villains.

Frank your Majesty said:

Colson said:

My personal canon is actually three separate personal canons.

Canon 1: Star Wars, by itself (original theatrical, of course). This allows for things like Luke and Leia not being related, Vader not being Luke’s father, etc. I like this idea simply because it allows me to enjoy Star Wars as a standalone film with its own separate story. Whereas Empire and Return were explicitly as sequels, Star Wars was its own, independent movie.

Canon 2: The original trilogy in its unaltered state. I consider this trilogy to be its “own thing” in that I consider it to be a story that does and should exist separately from everything else.

Canon 3: The original trilogy in its unaltered state, plus any new Disney movies that might come out. I justify not including the Special Editions/prequels by assuming that the people working on the new movies have a love for the originals similar my own love, so their head canon probably involves the unaltered originals and not the Special Editions.

I like this.

Ditto.

I’m not really someone who obsesses over an “official canon”, but I still have a set of favorite stories which I more or less organize in my own personal “head-canon”. As a result I have a movie head-canon and a EU/Legends head-canon.

My weird EU/Legends based head-canon;

Way of the Wookiee
(Star Wars)
The Day After the Death Star
Marvel Star Wars #11-15 & 17-37.
The Faithful Wookiee
The Weapons Master
Dark Forces
(ESB)
Droid World
Shadows of the Empire
(ROTJ)
Dark Forces II: Jedi Knight
Thrawn Trilogy
Dark Empire 1
Jedi Knight II: Jedi Outcast

(There’s more to it than this, but these are my favorite Legends stories that I could remember at the top of my head.)

My very unoriginal cinematic head-canon;

SW (unaltered )
ESB (unaltered)
ROTJ (unaltered)
TFA

TV’s Frink said:

I tried to watch Ghost in the Shell once. Giant boobs in the very first scene. No thanks.

Well, it’s not exactly like Japan’s the only country that has shoehorned some nudity into otherwise critically-acclaimed movies. Once Upon a Time in America is an example that springs to mind, and they had less of an excuse than Ghost in the Shell.

TV’s Frink said:

Akira was ok I guess. If you like violence porn.

Again, not exactly a purely Japanese cliche. Plus there’s far more to it than that.

But, fair enough, those two were somewhat bad examples.

A few examples of good anime films without nudity or excessive/exploitative violence;
Grave of the Fireflies
The Wind Rises
Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind
Spirited Away A bit cliche a choice, sure, but it’s more or less being treated as a Disney classic by now.

I haven’t really watched that many anime films, but those first two films are more than enough for me to respect Japanese animation, despite there being a lot of trash on the market as well (which, again, isn’t exactly that unusual for any film industry in the world).

People who who think anime is just teen-dramas and hentsi should go watch Ghost in the Shell, or Akira, Mononoke, etc. etc. “Anime” simply refers to Japanese animation, it makes no more sense to generalise it as merely one or two genres than it is to claim that all American animation is Disney.

Lord Haseo said:

I wish they would produce a Star Wars show for adults. Preferably in the anime style rather than that dreadful CGI shit that’s in Rebels and TCW.

So essentially a TV-series based on this short film?;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PN_CP4SuoTU

HansiG said:

ZkinandBonez said:

Z6PO said:

HansiG said:

ZkinandBonez said:

joefavs said:

Celebration Europe poster:

Hmm, why does all the conventions get all the cool classic-style posters while the theatres end up with those generic photoshops?

Research says people are more likely to buy a movie or a videogame if it has Photoshopped or CGI cover, rather than drawn cover

[citation needed]

Ditto.

I’m not saying your wrong, but I think that most fans would either prefer or don’t mind a painted poster, and quite frankly with something as popular (and I would also argue “retro”) as SW I don’t really image that too many people would really have cared, or perhaps even noticed (I can’t recall anyone making a fuss ver the PT posters). I think that as long as it says “Star Wars: The Force Awakens” people would go see the movie int he theatres and buy the DVD/Blu-ray regardless. Heck some of the DVD/Blu-ray covers are basically just the title anyway and the Teaser poster was literally just the title.
I have a feeling that this is one of those thing that marketers just assume about it’s audience. It’s kind of like how action movie posters always has the hero with his back turned to the camera or how certain actors look the same on every poster they’re on. I can’t really think of any good reasons for these cliches, it’s just one of those things that nobody bothers to change.

Fans? Yes. Dumb masses? No.

Well, that’s kind of my point, would the “dumb” masses really care? It’s Star Wars after all, and the “dumb” masses didn’t complain about the PT posters, which were Struzan paintings.
(Also some posters these days doesn’t even have people on them, so why would a painted person(s) bother them?)

Z6PO said:

HansiG said:

ZkinandBonez said:

joefavs said:

Celebration Europe poster:

Hmm, why does all the conventions get all the cool classic-style posters while the theatres end up with those generic photoshops?

Research says people are more likely to buy a movie or a videogame if it has Photoshopped or CGI cover, rather than drawn cover

[citation needed]

Ditto.

I’m not saying your wrong, but I think that most fans would either prefer or don’t mind a painted poster, and quite frankly with something as popular (and I would also argue “retro”) as SW I don’t really image that too many people would really have cared, or perhaps even noticed (I can’t recall anyone making a fuss ver the PT posters). I think that as long as it says “Star Wars: The Force Awakens” people would go see the movie int he theatres and buy the DVD/Blu-ray regardless. Heck some of the DVD/Blu-ray covers are basically just the title anyway and the Teaser poster was literally just the title.
I have a feeling that this is one of those thing that marketers just assume about it’s audience. It’s kind of like how action movie posters always has the hero with his back turned to the camera or how certain actors look the same on every poster they’re on. I can’t really think of any good reasons for these cliches, it’s just one of those things that nobody bothers to change.

joefavs said:

Celebration Europe poster:

Hmm, why does all the conventions get all the cool classic-style posters while the theatres end up with those generic photoshops?

EDIT: (not exactly vital news, but it’s better than another accidental markdown post)

http://www.starwarsnewsnet.com/2016/05/its-a-wrap-on-the-star-wars-episode-viii-filming-in-ireland.html

DuracellEnergizer said:

ZkinandBonez said:

And there’s a new type of storm trooper called “Death Troopers”

*flashbacks to atrocious novel of same name*

Wow, I just googled that, and I had no idea that they actually made a SW novel with Zombies.

A lot of new info, images, names, etc. have recently been reveal through a “visual story guide” type book for Rogue One.

http://www.starwarsnewsnet.com/2016/05/new-images-with-characters-vehicles-and-descriptions-from-rogue-one.html

Here are the character names extracted by JediBibliothek from the images:
Felicity Jones plays Jyn Erso, a gifted soldier and warrior.
Diego Luna plays Captain Cassian Andor, an officer in the Rebel Alliance
Jiang Wen plays Baze, a freelance assassin*
Alan Tudyk plays the CGI figure K-250, a Vollstreckerdroide and evidently an imperial model, but teams up with the rebels.
Riz Ahmed plays Bodhi, a rebel soldier.
Pao, an alien who is described as “fierce warrior”.
Donnie Yen plays Chirrut, a spiritual warrior.
Bistan, another alien who is described as “fierce warrior”.
Ben Mendelssohn as director Krennic, the military director of the Empire, to defend the Galactic Empire against the theft of Mission rebels.

There’s also a new Rebel starfighter introduced in the film, which is kind of surprising.
It’s apparently called a U-Wing;.

And there’s also a new imperial fighter called TIE-Striker;

Two of the members of the main cast will apparently be aliens;

And there’s a new type of storm trooper called “Death Troopers”;

Tack said:

Now, I’ve got the people in some film classes who say that midi-chlorians (I think that’s the first time I’ve ever actually said or typed that out…) were always an intended part of the mythos. Although he actually came around after I cited some sources…

Well, he is technically right.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Midi-chlorian/Legends#Behind_the_scenes

Frank your Majesty said:

ZkinandBonez said:

Anakin’s podracer flag at Maz’s castle has apparently been removed from the DVD/Blu-ray release.

http://www.starwarsnewsnet.com/2016/05/anakin-skywalker-reference-cut-from-star-wars-the-force-awakens.html

Any thoughts?

The trailer not representing the theatrical version maybe?

Well, sure, but I was under the impression that it was in the theatrical release. That’s going to be somewhat hard to confirm though.

Anakin’s podracer flag at Maz’s castle has apparently been removed from the DVD/Blu-ray release.

http://www.starwarsnewsnet.com/2016/05/anakin-skywalker-reference-cut-from-star-wars-the-force-awakens.html

Any thoughts?

Scott109 said:

adywan said:

Scott109 said:

If you spent your entire life fighting to preserve a democratic republic only to discover your husband ushered in a violent dictatorship which oppress your future children indefinitely, losing the will to live is a natural response.

A natural response when you have two newborns? Padme was a bitch then with no care for the two helpless young children that would be left without a mother just because she cares more about someone she knew was a psycho all along. Nothing supernatural about it either, no matter what stupid theories fans like to come up with. Lucas himself said that she died of a broken heart and lost the will to live, so there’s the official explanation - Padme really was a selfish bitch.

When you have children of your own you realise just how much you will fight for them no matter what you have been through. There is no way you would leave them parentless.

Scott109 said:

MEDICAL DROID: Medically, she is completely healthy. For reasons we can’t explain, we’re losing her.
OBI-WAN: She’s dying?
MEDICAL DROID: We don’t know why. She has lost the will to live.

Although the medical droid states Padmé lost the will to live, it never states that the loss of the will to live is the only cause of her death. On the contrary, it states that Padmé is dying “for reasons we can’t explain.” Losing the the will to live was not the primary cause of Padmé’s death; it was only the subsidiary cause. The primary cause was something inexplicable and supernatural. Presumably Palpatine withdrew the Living Force from Padmé to save Anakin’s life, which is why if you listen closely Padmé’s heart stops beating the moment Anakin’s heart starts beating again.

The droid says she is completely healthy and the only thing mentioned is her losing the will to live. Nowhere does it point to any supernatural cause, thats just fanwank. And were we watching the same film? Vader doesn’t die so his heart never stops beating so how could his heart start beating again?

So you would have preferred for Padmé to have survived and said, “I will take Leia and live with her on Alderaan. I don’t care about Luke though. He can go live with his aunt and uncle on Tatooine”?

Well, it does make a lot of sense to separate them. They’d both be very valuable to the Empire if they should ever learn their true identity, so having them both in the same place could be potentially disastrous. She wouldn’t have abandoned Luke, but rather left him in the care of a trusted friend for his own safety. This is still technically what happened in the current post-PT canon, Yoda and Obi-Wan decided to separate them for their own safety, with the intention of re-uniting them at some point hen they were older.