ZkinandBonez

Lord Haseo said:

yhwx said:

Alderaan said:

SilverWook said:

The space battle at the end does feel like old school Star Wars though.

You mean the part where the 5 year old takes out an entire armada of ships with his nifty spinning trick? It’s a juvenile film that would be tolerable as a juvenile film without Jar Jar and the Gungans. Those guys just make it entirely unwatchable.

Gonna have to agree with you here. The lightsaber battle was the best thing of this part—it is pretty nifty.

And even that is shit

Well it’s not perfect, but it’s a heck of a lot better than any of the fights on ep. II & III. It’s a bit clunky at times, but at least you feel like they’re genuinely trying to hurt each other. Unlike II and III in which they just frantically swing their glow sticks in some of the most obviously rehearsed fight scenes ever made. TPM may have some flaws but it’s duel is far more believable than the sequels.

KumoNin said:

Thoughts?

Well, they might be showing the trailer before PG movies, so maybe they wanted to tone down the violence a bit? Lucasfilm keeps bragging about how RO will be a gritty “war movie” so I doubt that they would censor something this mall in the actual movie.

Btw, can someone tell me what Baze says in this part of the trailer;
https://youtu.be/frdj1zb9sMY?t=49

To me it sounds like “I fired the Empire, now” which, needless to say, makes no damn sense. He mumbles with a heavy accent, and as a non native speaker I’m having a hard time figuring out what he’s actually saying.

EDIT: Is he saying “I fight the Empire, now”?

SilverWook said:

We still had troopers with backpacks and air hoses hanging around on the outside of the Death Star though. 😉

Also, the DS is bristling with enough conventional firepower, it could probably ruin your whole day if it orbited over your location and cut loose.

Well, some suspension of disbelief still counts. (Not that we needed it for the “space slug” scene in ESB, but some stil apply.)

Also, as I pointed out on another thread about half a year ago, if the DS really made scientific sense (e.g. if it had a gravitational pull), then those stormtroopers would not have been standing where they are in your screenshot, but rather like this;

But that’s kind of my point, and the real beauty of Star Wars when compared to other franchises. It has just enough fantasy and magic to make it unique and interesting, just enough from real-life to make it relateable, but also just enough real science fiction to make it seem more real and serious.
So yes, stormtroopers need space-suits and oxygen tanks when going for a space walk, but if you try to rationalize the ESB space slug in a scientific sense rather than in a fairy-tale sense, it’s not going to make a lot of sense.

(BTW, in the old thread you quite accurately compared the space slug to the Monstro the whale sequence in Pinocchio. So i think you get what I mean.)

SilverWook said:

ZkinandBonez said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

The Dark Empire said:

Yeah, in the real world there is no upside down in space.

But if you look at Star Wars or especially Star Trek, you will notice that the ships always are like horizontally aligned. It is a normal thing in movies to make “it look good”.

Yeah, I’ve noticed that. It’s become a pet peeve of mine.

Why?
Can you imagine how hard it would be to tell a story if spaceships didn’t stay “upright” most of the time. It’d also be very disorientating to watch. It would make scientific sense, but in cinematically it would be an absolute mess.
(Also SW is basically just Middle-Earth in space. It’s not exactly known for its scientific accuracy.)

It would be nice to see them play with the idea in Star Wars once in a while though.


The starbase in the new Trek movie really plays with the idea that up and down are all dependent on where you’re standing. The final fight at the end had me wondering what a zero gravity lightsaber battle could be like.

Sure, but SW isn’t really sci-find though. I agree it’s neat when something like Star Trek gives you a taste of what spacetravel would really be like. But with SW I feel that it would be both pointless and distracting. ST aims for a certain degree of reality, but SW is basically fantasy and WWII in a space setting.

DuracellEnergizer said:

The Dark Empire said:

Yeah, in the real world there is no upside down in space.

But if you look at Star Wars or especially Star Trek, you will notice that the ships always are like horizontally aligned. It is a normal thing in movies to make “it look good”.

Yeah, I’ve noticed that. It’s become a pet peeve of mine.

Why?
Can you imagine how hard it would be to tell a story if spaceships didn’t stay “upright” most of the time. It’d also be very disorientating to watch. It would make scientific sense, but in cinematically it would be an absolute mess.
(Also SW is basically just Middle-Earth in space. It’s not exactly known for its scientific accuracy.)

Tyrphanax said:

ZkinandBonez said:

Tyrphanax said:

SilverWook said:

Tyrphanax said:

TV’s Frink said:

Is anyone else a bit confused about the tech looking closer to TFA-era than OT-era? Or did I just misread that on my one rushed viewing of the trailer?

That was one of the complaints about the prequels (especially ROTS) which was that it didn’t look similar enough to the OT. Obviously for this one we have the Death Star, Walkers, TIEs and X-wings, etc., but it seemed like it might be treading too close to “newer tech” and not the used tech of the OT.

I dunno if I’m explaining this very well.

Nah, I agree and it’s been bugging me for ages.

Ever since the PT a lot of the feel of the design has been off. You can see it especially in costumes and creatures and just the general aesthetic of the universe. When you look at the costumes, a lot of the beats say “OT” but the feel is more PT to me. The droid looks far more PT than any contemporary droid we saw in the OT. The new ships (the U-Wing and Krennic’s Shuttle) have the “we tried to make this look like an OT ship” feel to them without actually feeling like OT ships. The guns all look like generic sci-fi guns that have been “Star Wars-ized”. They’re using too many new and custom things rather than repurposing real-life things to fit the universe, and it shows.

To me it feels like there’s definitely been more prequel influence than there has OT influence ever since Episode I, even when they go on and on about how they’re “going back to the early concepts” and “the feel of the original trilogy”. They are definitely trying to recapture the OT feel, and I appreciate it, but it’s never felt as genuine and natural as it did in the OT.

Won’t stop me from enjoying the movie, but it’s definitely something I’ve noticed and has been under my skin for awhile now.

The new guy compares favorably to droids of the OT.



Interesting that the new droid’s chest piece looks like Dengar’s chest armor.

Eh, I just don’t agree. I’ve done a lot of comparisons, but the Rogue One droid just falls into the uncanny valley of the OT for me (where it’s similar but just off enough to make it weird).

It has some of the main beats of the droids that were in the OT, but it’s just missing something.

It’s probably because he’s CG. Other than that it’s a pretty OT-type design.

It could be, I’ve definitely considered that. He’s just a bit too slick, I think. Works too smoothly, moves a bit too lithely… again, it won’t stop me from enjoying the character or the movie, but it’s still missing some of that OT je ne sais quoi.

Threepio was pretty smooth in his movements. And keep in mind that most other human-shaped droids in the OT weren’t exactly top-of-the-line. K-2SO on the other hand is made by the Empire, and he’s designed for combat, so it makes sense that he’d move smoothly. It makes sense for the Rebels and Jabba having old rickety droids, but the Empire have the money and expertise to make something better.

Tyrphanax said:

SilverWook said:

Tyrphanax said:

TV’s Frink said:

Is anyone else a bit confused about the tech looking closer to TFA-era than OT-era? Or did I just misread that on my one rushed viewing of the trailer?

That was one of the complaints about the prequels (especially ROTS) which was that it didn’t look similar enough to the OT. Obviously for this one we have the Death Star, Walkers, TIEs and X-wings, etc., but it seemed like it might be treading too close to “newer tech” and not the used tech of the OT.

I dunno if I’m explaining this very well.

Nah, I agree and it’s been bugging me for ages.

Ever since the PT a lot of the feel of the design has been off. You can see it especially in costumes and creatures and just the general aesthetic of the universe. When you look at the costumes, a lot of the beats say “OT” but the feel is more PT to me. The droid looks far more PT than any contemporary droid we saw in the OT. The new ships (the U-Wing and Krennic’s Shuttle) have the “we tried to make this look like an OT ship” feel to them without actually feeling like OT ships. The guns all look like generic sci-fi guns that have been “Star Wars-ized”. They’re using too many new and custom things rather than repurposing real-life things to fit the universe, and it shows.

To me it feels like there’s definitely been more prequel influence than there has OT influence ever since Episode I, even when they go on and on about how they’re “going back to the early concepts” and “the feel of the original trilogy”. They are definitely trying to recapture the OT feel, and I appreciate it, but it’s never felt as genuine and natural as it did in the OT.

Won’t stop me from enjoying the movie, but it’s definitely something I’ve noticed and has been under my skin for awhile now.

The new guy compares favorably to droids of the OT.



Interesting that the new droid’s chest piece looks like Dengar’s chest armor.

Eh, I just don’t agree. I’ve done a lot of comparisons, but the Rogue One droid just falls into the uncanny valley of the OT for me (where it’s similar but just off enough to make it weird).

It has some of the main beats of the droids that were in the OT, but it’s just missing something.

It’s probably because he’s CG. Other than that it’s a pretty OT-type design.

SilverWook said:

ZkinandBonez said:

Tobar said:

C-3PO is an expert in human-cyborg relations. I want to know more about these cyborgs and why they’re seemingly held at arm’s length from the rest of the galaxy. Perhaps cyborgs think they’re better than the non-enhanced?

Well, in the Legends canon they were discriminated against by most people, so it could be that they generally avoid the public.

Valance the bounty hunter in the old Marvel comics kept his cyborg status a closely guarded secret. He hated his existence so much, he often paid to have someone round up derelict droids for him, so he could blast them to pieces.
Kind of interesting that Vader showed interest in him and possibly some respect, well before we knew the extent of Vader’s own injuries.

The whole Valance the Hunter storyline always made me wonder if people within the Empire, or people in general, knew that Vader was a cyborg.
Then again I doubt that anyone would have been brave enough to give him crap for it.

TV’s Frink said:

https://youtu.be/6d5O_NUMfAc?t=159

(Click to the time you want to link to, right click, “copy url at current time”)

Thanks.

Well, at least I’m not the only one to think that that one guy is “headless”;

https://youtu.be/6d5O_NUMfAc?t=164

(I don’t know howto make the link skip to a specific point so he mentions it at 2:44)

dahmage said:

I can’t help but wonder what Vader is thinking in this shot: Wasn’t it Tarken who was in this position before? - watching the orbit of the death star to be ready to destroy the rebel base. that is what this is right? Certainly Vader can’t be feeling too impressed by the death star weapon, or perhaps he is, and this is the moment that caused him to loose faith in technology (did he ever have it) and lead him to not care about the death star power in ANH.

Thoughts? i could be really off base here.

I don’t see how that could be a readout of the Rebel Base (e.g. Yavin). It’s probably Scarif as that’s most likely to be the last planet the DS will orbit in RO.

As for he’s thinking, no clue. Although I personally don’t think he ever lost faith in the DS, I’m pretty sure he never had it.

TV’s Frink said:

I think it’s a pretty large stretch to say he has no head.

Well, maybe not “no head”, but definitely a shorter, flatter head. I doubt it’s a helmet, because if you look closely (I also slowed down the YT video), you can see his “head” swiveling (similarly to R2’s dome head).

Tobar said:

C-3PO is an expert in human-cyborg relations. I want to know more about these cyborgs and why they’re seemingly held at arm’s length from the rest of the galaxy. Perhaps cyborgs think they’re better than the non-enhanced?

Well, in the Legends canon they were discriminated against by most people, so it could be that they generally avoid the public.

This guy is most likely just a background character, but I none-the-less noticed that he has no head.
I first thought it was just a combination of the camera angle and his stance, but the white thing on his shoulders, which I at first thought was a collar of some kind, actually rotates (kind of like R2’s dome-head) and it has antennaes sticking out of it. So I guess this guy’s a cyborg?
We’ve obviously had cyborgs in the movies with Vader, as well as Lobot, and perhaps some pther background characters that I can’t remember right now, but I’ve yet to see someone either in the movies or the EU (both of them) that was missing a head.

I also love the attention to detail in this shot, as well as the fact that a lot of it looks practical. You can even see the TIE-pilot crash through the window."

"YOUNG LANDO CALRISSIAN BEING POSSIBLY CAST FOR HAN SOLO MOVIE. DONALD GLOVER A POTENTIAL CANDIDATE?"
http://www.starwarsnewsnet.com/2016/08/young-lando-calrisian-being-possibly-cast-for-han-solo-movie.html

Well, this does make a lot of sense, I’m actually surprised this possibility hasn’t been discussed before.

Some interesting info about Saw Gerrera from an EW intervew with Whitaker;
Source

About his armor seen in the trailers;

“This is his armored suit for flight, but also for maintenance,” Whitaker told Entertainment Weekly. “He’s been through so many conflicts and many wars, so it’s also about [repairing] some of the many injuries he’s had. He wears it all the time.”

Whitaker on Saw’s relationship to Jyn;

“He’s really close to her, and they have a very powerful relationship,” Whitaker says. “He’s talking about how you maybe make compromises that may harm people, or may harm the situation, or people may question it, but if you’re doing it for the good, there’s a positive thing about that. But what does it make you become? And how do you change as a person?”

(It seem like they know each other from before the events of he film.)

The actor briefly touched on the interesting topic about his change in appearance in the trailers:

Some theorized that this was a alteration brought about during reshoots for the movie, but Whitaker says it’s a switch that happens within the story. Given the extra gray in his beard, maybe we’re seeing Saw at two different stages of his life.

“We made some decisions about how the character was progressing. They had a lot of opportunity to make tweaks and different things,” he says. “You’ll see both.”

The Dark Empire said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

ZkinandBonez said:

Also, why is the Death Star up-side-down in this shot?

There is no upside down in space. It’s all three-dimensional, remember? 😛

Yeah, in the real world there is no upside down in space.

But if you look at Star Wars or especially Star Trek, you will notice that the ships always are like horizontally aligned. It is a normal thing in movies to make “it look good”.

I will say if every spaceship is flying as they like, it would be an optically mess! It is a film thing not a realism thing. In reality there are no spaceships 😉

The upside down deathstar looks to me like a mistake

Tyrphanax said:

Nah it’s definitely on purpose. They’re not gotta tease a trailer for weeks and then mess something up.

But there’s also no way it’s targeting the planet for destruction at that close range. It could honestly be that the superlaser isn’t so super yet and they’re using it more as a big piece of artillery than what it’s meant for.

ZkinandBonez said:

I feel like a lot of the film is going to take place on Jedha. I aslo think it’s interesting that the DS apparently goes to Jedha (hence the eclipse). There’s a shot in the trailer of Jyn and Cassian flying away from huge explosion so there might be a scene where the DS actually attacks Jedha. Of course it’s not referred to as “fully operational” until the events of ANH, so I guess this scene might show us what the unfinished DS superlaser is capable of. This also implies that the shot of the DS that was posted earlier, which I said looked up-side-down, is probably it aiming down on Jedha. The shots of Krennic with the view of Jedha I’m assuming is him ordering it to attack.

Yes, it’s definitely not up-side-down, but pointing down, ready to attack Jedha, despite not being “fully operational” yet.

Tobar said:

ZkinandBonez said:

Seriously, is this from an actual canon SW comic? This seems more like Robot Chicken joke. I honestly can’t read this panel without hearing Seth MacFarlane’s voice as Palpatine.

Try this on for size.

Jeez, that looks and reads like some fan-art to me.
The art style is flat and dull, there’s no real sense of movement, and what’s up with the blurring-effect they’ve added. Well, at least the dialogue doesn’t read like a Robot Chicken skit.

Is this for real?

Seriously, is this from an actual canon SW comic? This seems more like Robot Chicken joke. I honestly can’t read this panel without hearing Seth MacFarlane’s voice as Palpatine.

Another thing thing that I noticed in the trailer;

I feel like a lot of the film is going to take place on Jedha. I aslo think it’s interesting that the DS apparently goes to Jedha (hence the eclipse). There’s a shot in the trailer of Jyn and Cassian flying away from huge explosion so there might be a scene where the DS actually attacks Jedha. Of course it’s not referred to as “fully operational” until the events of ANH, so I guess this scene might show us what the unfinished DS superlaser is capable of. This also implies that the shot of the DS that was posted earlier, which I said looked up-side-down, is probably it aiming down on Jedha. The shots of Krennic with the view of Jedha I’m assuming is him ordering it to attack.

DuracellEnergizer said:

ZkinandBonez said:

Also, why is the Death Star up-side-down in this shot?

There is no upside down in space. It’s all three-dimensional, remember? 😛

Sure, but I still think it’s weird that they choose to show it from that orientation. Also doesn’t that technically mean that we’re seeing the planet with the north pole facing down (relatively speaking)?
It’s a neat shot anyway, it just struck me as kinda odd.

Maybe I’m overthinking this, but is anyone else getting a Jerusalem vibe from this shot?
(I guess such a visual comparison makes sense if this is on Jedha, as it’s supposed to be a holy place for Force believers. Didn’t someone mention in an interview that there are many different types of Force believers that come to Jedha?)

Also, why is the Death Star up-side-down in this shot?

DuracellEnergizer said:

ZkinandBonez said:

Well, it’s not like we’ll get any actual Force-users other than Vader (who’s appearance I suspect will be quite short).

WRONG WHOSE!

Fixed it.

(Also English is my second language. So simple mistake.)

Anchorhead said:

Tobar said:

I too would prefer a film completely devoid of the Force but there are too many out there with the very strict opinion that it isn’t Star Wars without it.

It would be fine with me if they broke away from the decades-long saturation of Force\Jedi\Sith.

Well, it’s not like we’ll get any actual Force-users other than Vader (whose appearance I suspect will be quite short). And apart from Chirrut Imwe talking about the Force, it’s unlikely we’ll get anything specifically Force related. Even Jedha’s backstory has already been described as having been added by the story group for the sake of the EU. Kyber crystals wil probably be mined for the DS laser, but I doubt it will ever go anywhere beyond that (*maybe a brief mention of their use in lightsabers by Chirrut, or something like that).