ZkinandBonez

Handman said:

The Emperor didn’t seem too concerned about the battle itself, in fact I thought he tricked the Rebellion into attacking just so he could get to Luke.

Is that what happened?
I’m pretty sure his main plan was to get rid of the Rebel fleet, thereby the Rebel Alliance in general. He says himself that Luke would have come to him by hos own will at some point anyway.
Giving the fake plans to the Bothans, letting the shuttle past the shield, etc. seem like a ludicrously complicated plan just to get one guy who would have forced himself to confront Vader/Palpatine at some point anyway.
I’m pretty sure his main goal at the battle of Endor was to destroy the Rebel fleet, and Luke showing up at the same time was a predicted bonus (not to mention a plot convenience).

flametitan said:

I just had a thought.

Is it just me, or does Luke contribute very little to the battle of Endor after he gets captured? Like, I can’t imagine the battle going too differently regardless of what happened between him, Vader, and the Emperor.

He’s important to the set up for the fight (I’d hardly see shuttle Tydirium getting through without him), yes, but the Death star II would have been destroyed after he got captured no matter what, it seems.

Well, he was busy wrapping up the story arc of the trilogy, he didn’t have time to fight alongside the Ewoks.

Sure, lore-wise he didn’t really do much at the Battle of Endor, but plot-wise the was doing the most important job of movie.

Has this been mentioned before either here or on the ep. VII thread?

Rey Palpatine - Star Wars Theory

I don’t really take these fan theories seriously, but I must admit that this one was rather entertaining (as opposed to just plain dumb like the whole Darth Jar Jar thing.).

MathUser said:

I am worried that wierd things will slip through and the canon is gonna get messed up again.

Already happened.

I think we should all just except that it’s impossible to have a good and well balanced expanded universe, there’s just too many people involved. Why bother arguing about what canon is good or bad when they’re both going to be both? Just enjoy the good, accept the mediocre, and laugh at the bad, that’s what I do.

NeverarGreat said:

Lord Haseo said:

In the audiobook the narrator pronounces it “Lah-ah-uke”

Also I don’t think I would call it lazy because having Luke fight an insane clone of himself is pretty bold as it’s a pretty out there concept. I think him fighting another Dark Side user who is more machine than man would have been lazy.

It might have been a serviceable concept if it were given time to breathe in The Last Command, but as it is it’s pretty terrible. Most of Zahn’s writing on the Force makes it feel like a comic book superpower, rather than a spiritual one. Also, this is supposed to be a pics thread, so I’ll comment on this general crappiness:

Awkward composition? Check. Glowstick lightsabers? Check. Dopey Luuke? Check.

The worst part about that cover is that it was made by the same guy who made this;

The comic adaptions had some much better cover art (not brilliant, but much better);
https://d1466nnw0ex81e.cloudfront.net/n_iv/600/1138601.jpg
https://d1466nnw0ex81e.cloudfront.net/n_iv/600/612401.jpg
http://static2.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_large/5/50638/977417-star_wars_thrawn_trilogy_2___dark_force_rising__3___page_1.jpg
http://static5.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_large/5/50638/977421-star_wars_thrawn_trilogy_2___dark_force_rising__6___page_1.jpg
https://d1466nnw0ex81e.cloudfront.net/n_iv/600/644835.jpg

Some of the foreign covers weren’t too bad either;
http://www.starwarsklub.hu/10_konyvek/konyvek_001/jpg/thrawn_1_a_birodalom_orokos.jpg

Also as a side note on Zahn’s writing, I never felt like the Force was written like a “super-power”, at least not to any further extent that what the Force would be when used in an action scenario. Also when you have to describe in text that Luke is using specific abilities to solve specific problems it will by default sound a lot less vague and mystical than what it did in the OT films.
Using the Force as a “super-power” is in my opinion a better description of how it was handled in the PT, but regardless I’d say it’d be close to impossible to keep the Force vague in a written context. Luke doing high Force jump in ESB works well because it’s visual, but when you have to describe in words that he used the Force to enhance his jump, it end’s up sound similar to a super-power. I’m just glad Zahn never refereed to it as a “Force-jump”. Now that sound like something from a superhero comic.

So I was clicking the “random article” button on Wookieepedia to kill some time, and I came across this;

Greeper

A greeper was a creature. It was mouse-like.

I like it, it’s like a a masterpiece of understatement.

Tyrphanax said:

ZkinandBonez said:

Tyrphanax said:

Yeah, I feel like in the OT stormtroopers are just regular soldiers and there’s nothing elite about them. They certainly can’t shoot very well and die in droves.

Certainly there’s some aspect of marketing to it considering we saw in Star Wars that regular stormtroopers are modular and can be outfitted to work in other environments, but we also know that in-universe there are specialized armors for snowtroopers and scout troopers, plus TIE fighter pilots and AT-AT pilots and AT-ST pilots so it’s not a big stretch to imagine that there would be specialized armor for tank drivers and and other roles.

The shoretrooper thing better have certain specializations that a normal stormtrooper doesn’t have though.

A shoretrooper could just be something similar to a scout trooper. Doesn’t have to be anything fancy about them.

But then why not just have a scout trooper or a sandtrooper?

Well a sandtrooper I belive is meant for deserts not beaches, scout troopers however woukd make more sense, but you could argue that they are meant for forest invironments, while shoretroopers might need to be able to operate both on land and in water (they actually remind me a little of the swamp troopers in the old EU.). They could be specialized for more tropical invironments as well.
I dunno, I’m sure we’ll get an explanation at some point.

Tyrphanax said:

Yeah, I feel like in the OT stormtroopers are just regular soldiers and there’s nothing elite about them. They certainly can’t shoot very well and die in droves.

Certainly there’s some aspect of marketing to it considering we saw in Star Wars that regular stormtroopers are modular and can be outfitted to work in other environments, but we also know that in-universe there are specialized armors for snowtroopers and scout troopers, plus TIE fighter pilots and AT-AT pilots and AT-ST pilots so it’s not a big stretch to imagine that there would be specialized armor for tank drivers and and other roles.

The shoretrooper thing better have certain specializations that a normal stormtrooper doesn’t have though.

A shoretrooper could just be something similar to a scout trooper. Doesn’t have to be anything fancy about them.

Although Rey’s theme is very good, it’s a bit to complex to be as memorable and as hum-able as those few dramatic notes in Kylo’s theme.

http://www.starwarsnewsnet.com/2016/08/rogue-one-flashback-scene-explains-the-stormtrooper-toy-doll.html

Lord Haseo said:

ZkinandBonez said:

Lord Haseo said:

ZkinandBonez said:

Lord Haseo said:

SilverWook said:

To be honest, Kylo’s interrogation of Rey is not as disturbing as what Spock did to Valeris in Star Trek VI.

I’m not a Trek fan so I’m going to need some context.

Well, like Kylo in TFA, Spock forcibly reads someone’s mind in ST VI. The overall scene is a bit creepy. And unlike TFA this film is a lot less subtle about the fact hat it’s supposed to be quite violating.

Here’s the scene btw; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1NgX-w54RY

I’m sure Spock did what he did for a good reason. Kylo on the other hand read Rey’s to not only locate Skywalker but because he could. There was no reason to look for the negative emotions and memories she harbors in her mind or how she felt that Han could be the Father she never had.

Oh sure, it was a matter of life and death for potentially millions, and the clock was ticking, etc, etc (last act stuff). My point was just that the scene was a little more “blunt” about it than the one in TFA.

I think the only thing that makes it more blunt is that Spock is physically touching her as he’s probing her mind.

I would also claim that Valeris’ reaction is far more extreme than Rey’s. Also Rey had a small moment if triumph as she read Kylo’s fears as well, whereas Valeris is simply forced to take until Spock stops. So the outcomes are vastly different. But of course the motivations are completely different as well.

Lord Haseo said:

ZkinandBonez said:

Lord Haseo said:

SilverWook said:

To be honest, Kylo’s interrogation of Rey is not as disturbing as what Spock did to Valeris in Star Trek VI.

I’m not a Trek fan so I’m going to need some context.

Well, like Kylo in TFA, Spock forcibly reads someone’s mind in ST VI. The overall scene is a bit creepy. And unlike TFA this film is a lot less subtle about the fact hat it’s supposed to be quite violating.

Here’s the scene btw; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1NgX-w54RY

I’m sure Spock did what he did for a good reason. Kylo on the other hand read Rey’s to not only locate Skywalker but because he could. There was no reason to look for the negative emotions and memories she harbors in her mind or how she felt that Han could be the Father she never had.

Oh sure, it was a matter of life and death for potentially millions, and the clock was ticking, etc, etc (last act stuff). My point was just that the scene was a little more “blunt” about it than the one in TFA.

Lord Haseo said:

SilverWook said:

To be honest, Kylo’s interrogation of Rey is not as disturbing as what Spock did to Valeris in Star Trek VI.

I’m not a Trek fan so I’m going to need some context.

Well, like Kylo in TFA, Spock forcibly reads someone’s mind in ST VI. The overall scene is a bit creepy. And unlike TFA this film is a lot less subtle about the fact hat it’s supposed to be quite violating.

Here’s the scene btw; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1NgX-w54RY

suspiciouscoffee said:

Speaking of the original Marvel comics, should I get into those? I own the latter half of their SW/ANH adaptation in an oversized book (see below) and I’m interested in collecting more issues.

Definitely.
Amid all the retro Marvel weirdness there’s some real SW gold.

However I feel like a lot of people who get these Marvel omnibuses stop reading only a few issues in (after ANH adaptation). Which is something that I can understand. Speaking as someone who didn’t grow up with these stories, the first few issues after ANH can feel a bit “odd” and probably put off some newer readers. Once you’ve gotten a few issues in though, and Marvel switched the writer and illustrator, I personally think they made some of the best SW comics ever.

Tobar said:

I believe there was an original Marvel comic at the time that depicted Han losing his reward from the Alliance.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Wars_7:_New_Planets,_New_Perils!
His reward was stolen by pirates allowing Marvel to maintain Solo exactly as he was in ANH until Lucas would specify otherwise.
In one issue Han actually solves his debt problem with Jabba (or rather the early walrus-mam version), only to have Marvel quickly create an excuse for Jabba to change his mind back in the last issue before ESB once they realised that Han was still in debt in the movie.

MalàStrana said:

ZkinandBonez said:

MalàStrana said:

ZkinandBonez said:

Ronster said:

Just FYI I watched Zatoichi (well half of it) last night,

Huh? Zatoichi is like 25 films and a whole TV series, how do you watch “half” of it in one evening.

The Kitano remake is simply called “Zatoichi”.

Ah, right. I completely forgot about that version.

And since we’re at it, you mentioned 25 films earlier: don’t forget the 26th episode released in 1989. Still don’t know why Criterion (and Wild Side in France) didn’t release this one (it can however be found as a zone 1 edition).

Well I can’t say for sure, but I did a quick google search and it seems that the films were made by several production companies. The bulk of the first 25 being made by Daiei Studios (some Chinese studioes apparently got involved at the end), and the last film from 1989 was made by Katsu Production which was founded by Shintaro Katsu himself after Daiei Studioes closed. It seems Katsu prod. owns the rights to the 1989 film, while someone else acquired the rights to Daiei’s films at some point. So I guess Criterion only got the distribution rights to the Daiei films.

MalàStrana said:

ZkinandBonez said:

Ronster said:

Just FYI I watched Zatoichi (well half of it) last night,

Huh? Zatoichi is like 25 films and a whole TV series, how do you watch “half” of it in one evening.

The Kitano remake is simply called “Zatoichi”.

Ah, right. I completely forgot about that version.

The Japanese trailer just got released, and it has some extra footage, as well as some extra dialogue;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48XWkN0jBQY

The most interesting new info is this extra dialogue about Jyn’s father.

Ronster said:

Just FYI I watched Zatoichi (well half of it) last night,

Huh? Zatoichi is like 25 films and a whole TV series, how do you watch “half” of it in one evening.

I’d say it’s more of a generational thing. Even Disney animated films like Frozen are rated PG by today’s standards. And keep in mind that back in 1980 ESB was rated PG. People are just more sensitive about things like this nowadays.

EDIT: Also the Han/Kylo scene towards the end* might have tipped the rating over to PG-13. Add to that some of the things mentioned earlier, the rating isn’t what I’d call unreasonable. Tad prudish, but no entirely without merit.

*(are we allowed to do TFA spoilers at this point?)

Ronster said:

doubt it…They would just pick another shot.

Not necessarily. The trailer for the R rated movie Inherent Vice included a shot from a scene with nudity, but since it wasn’t a red band trailer, they added some CG underwear.
It’s a tad weird considering what type of movie it was, but adding/changing small things like this doesn’t require too much work these days. And this film was nowhere remotely near a SW budget.

You know it could be that they only censored it for the trailer.

A lot of trailers, even those for R rated movies, tend to censor certain details just for the marketing. Also keep in mind that these trailers are often shown on big screens in movie theatre lobbies, not to mention being readily available online. I personally agree that it’s a tad prudish, but to avoid backlash, Disney might not want anything bloody being played in front of kids outside of the actual movie (which will most likely end up being PG-13).

Lord Haseo said:

yhwx said:

Lord Haseo said:

yhwx said:

Alderaan said:

SilverWook said:

The space battle at the end does feel like old school Star Wars though.

You mean the part where the 5 year old takes out an entire armada of ships with his nifty spinning trick? It’s a juvenile film that would be tolerable as a juvenile film without Jar Jar and the Gungans. Those guys just make it entirely unwatchable.

Gonna have to agree with you here. The lightsaber battle was the best thing of this part—it is pretty nifty.

And even that is shit

I disagree.

Watch the video. Not only is the “fight” more like a dance but the choreography doesn’t make any sense. Say what you will about the OT duels but at least the choreography in ESB and ROTJ were actually reminiscent of people fighting. And that goes doubly for TFA.

I would say that applies a lot more to ep. II and III. The OT duels feel like real fighting, TPM feel like slightly exaggerated fighting, and AOTC and ROTS just feel like glow-stick ballets.

This feels a heck of a lot more genuine than this.

(I mean seriously, what the heck are they doing in the ROTS click? At least in the TPM fight you feel like Obi-Wan wants ro actually hurt Maul rather than just showing off his lightsaber swirling skills. I especially like his little blind swipe at Maul as he runs away. That feel very genuine too me.)

Lord Haseo said:

yhwx said:

Alderaan said:

SilverWook said:

The space battle at the end does feel like old school Star Wars though.

You mean the part where the 5 year old takes out an entire armada of ships with his nifty spinning trick? It’s a juvenile film that would be tolerable as a juvenile film without Jar Jar and the Gungans. Those guys just make it entirely unwatchable.

Gonna have to agree with you here. The lightsaber battle was the best thing of this part—it is pretty nifty.

And even that is shit

Well it’s not perfect, but it’s a heck of a lot better than any of the fights on ep. II & III. It’s a bit clunky at times, but at least you feel like they’re genuinely trying to hurt each other. Unlike II and III in which they just frantically swing their glow sticks in some of the most obviously rehearsed fight scenes ever made. TPM may have some flaws but it’s duel is far more believable than the sequels.

KumoNin said:

Thoughts?

Well, they might be showing the trailer before PG movies, so maybe they wanted to tone down the violence a bit? Lucasfilm keeps bragging about how RO will be a gritty “war movie” so I doubt that they would censor something this mall in the actual movie.