ZkinandBonez

http://www.starwarsnewsnet.com/2016/11/new-magazine-photo-gives-us-a-first-look-at-bail-organa-from-rogue-one.html

Spuffure said:

ZkinandBonez said:

Spuffure said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

Spuffure said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

I’m partial to this one:

Huh? Is that palatine? I’m confused.

You are a true believer. Blessings of the state, blessings of the masses. Thou art a subject of the divine. Created in the image of man, by the masses, for the masses.

That just confused me even more.

He’s referencing George Lucas’ first film.

This scene to be specific.

(You’ll have to get used to Duracell’s 70’s and 80’s movie references if you’re planning to keep posting on this forum.)

Uh…

Is that an “uh” because of the scene, or an “uh” because Duracell likes to answer with (generally) unrelated movie quotes?

Spuffure said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

Spuffure said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

I’m partial to this one:

Huh? Is that palatine? I’m confused.

You are a true believer. Blessings of the state, blessings of the masses. Thou art a subject of the divine. Created in the image of man, by the masses, for the masses.

That just confused me even more.

He’s referencing George Lucas’ first film.

This scene to be specific.

(You’ll have to get used to Duracell’s 70’s and 80’s movie references if you’re planning to keep posting on this forum.)

So Johnson posted this picture on Instagram a few days ago and naturally it has resulted in a lot of speculations and rumours.

This is probably not very important to RO in general, but I thought hat this quote from Mendelsohn about Krennic was kind of interesting;

“Krennic does not come “from the aristocracy of the Empire, if you like. He is truly a man that has made his own way up the chain through his own abilities. His weapon, for instance, is a very old type of blaster, because he’s an old warrior dude. He’s been put in charge of making this thing happen. And it’s gonna get done!”

He still has that standard British accent that all Imperials have in SW though. Then again so did Rey.

Source

New TV spot just got released, though it’s more of a trailer in terms of length.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUmcneReow8

There’s a fair bit more of K-2SO here than what we’ve seen before, giving us some sense of the humour he will provide, plus some misc. other shots.

Hardcore Legend said:

ZkinandBonez said:

flametitan said:

ZkinandBonez said:

(Of course the more blatant excuse is that Luke’s the main character. This kind of logical nitpicking probably wasn’t that much of a concern for either filmmakers or viewers back in the 70’s.)

But of course. However, thought experiments like these can be fun.

I agree (I probably should have phrased that last sentence a little better).

These kinds of explanations are also examples of why it’s so nice to have an EU. It can help explain the more logical details of something which your suspension of disbelief can handle while watching a film for the first time, but which might get a little weirder as you get older and start to really think about it.

I get that the EU can ‘clean up’ something like this but I have to believe that the true answer to this is simply that ILM did not have the time or resources to show an all-out assault on the battle station.

Again, it comes back to Rogue One and what they explain/don’t explain. From the trailers I have seen, this first assault on the DS/Scarif looks massive. I always covered up for the old SFX (the scarcity of ships) during the DS battle as the Rebellion having been decimated in an earlier battle or simply being in their infancy. Through the newer materials (Rebels/Rogue One), it appears the Rebel Fleet has been running for awhile.

It wasn’t until the other night I actually thought about how many pilots survive the DS Assault and counted the pilots in the ceremony. Now I feel like an explanation would be nice.

Well, maybe there simply weren’t that many left after the battle over Scarif. Maybe that’s why there’s so few left on Yavin in ANH.

Hardcore Legend said:

ZkinandBonez said:

Hardcore Legend said:

ZkinandBonez said:

Tobar said:

I’m in the middle of this year’s 2016 Turkey Day MST3K marathon so I can’t look it up but I believe the Maul eyes were from the animatic that Spielberg made to choreograph the chase on Utapau.

Spielberg?

Roger Spielberg, noted animatic director.

Ah, right. I though that maybe you just accidentally wrote (Steven) Spielberg instead if Lucas.

http://movieweb.com/steven-spielberg-helped-out-on-revenge-of-the-sith/

Well, that explains it.

But what wad the point of the the whole Roger thing? Was I supposed to know that Spielberg secretly worked on ROTS?

Hardcore Legend said:

ZkinandBonez said:

Tobar said:

I’m in the middle of this year’s 2016 Turkey Day MST3K marathon so I can’t look it up but I believe the Maul eyes were from the animatic that Spielberg made to choreograph the chase on Utapau.

Spielberg?

Roger Spielberg, noted animatic director.

Ah, right. I though that maybe you just accidentally wrote (Steven) Spielberg instead if Lucas.

EDIT: I googled Roger Spielberg and I can’t find anything about him.

[Ronster said:]

Interesting fact - Tatooine is never mentioned in the whole of Star Wars (episode IV). Is the Name of the planet important?

Really?

(Well, if so, I guess saying “Tatooine” out loud is one of the few things that TPM did right in terms of exposition.)

Tobar said:

I’m in the middle of this year’s 2016 Turkey Day MST3K marathon so I can’t look it up but I believe the Maul eyes were from the animatic that Spielberg made to choreograph the chase on Utapau.

Spielberg?

flametitan said:

ZkinandBonez said:

(Of course the more blatant excuse is that Luke’s the main character. This kind of logical nitpicking probably wasn’t that much of a concern for either filmmakers or viewers back in the 70’s.)

But of course. However, thought experiments like these can be fun.

I agree (I probably should have phrased that last sentence a little better).

These kinds of explanations are also examples of why it’s so nice to have an EU. It can help explain the more logical details of something which your suspension of disbelief can handle while watching a film for the first time, but which might get a little weirder as you get older and start to really think about it.

It’s also a good example of the kind of things that an EU should do, as opposed to, f. ex. Grievous’ cough. It should “expand” the universe, not necessarily “explain” it. ANH gave us enough clues, but not all the facts. ROTS just showed something at us with no explanation what-so-ever.

SilverWook said:

Isn’t there some ROTS concept art of Grievous where it’s clearly Maul’s eyes behind the mask? Someone at ILM must have at least thought about the idea, even if George never did.

Are you thinking about this one?

(This was the highest res. one I could find.)

I would also add to the Grievous complaint list the fact that he’c completely CG. Yes, that’s hardly a fair cmplaint for a movie that was more-or-less 80% CG, but I do think it’s funny that Hollywood keeps doing these types of character 100% digitally when even cosplayers can do it practically.

Imagine using the same basic technique as in the photo above, only with a proper Hollywood budget of millions of dollars. Maybe digitally erase the performer in the back rather than hide him in the cape, use CG for the more extreme movements, etc.

Hardcore Legend said:

ZkinandBonez said:

ray_afraid said:

flametitan said:

Hardcore Legend said:

The Battle of Yavin (according to SW Wikia) involved 30 Rebel starfighters. All but 3 were destroyed.

I counted roughly 25 pilots (plus Luke Skywalker)in the briefing room.

The medal ceremony featured at least 45 pilots celebrating.

Does that mean that the Rebellion had around 70 pilots for the Battle of Yavin but only used less than half?
Did they all not have ships?
If there were limited number of ships, why did they let a moisture farmer who no one had seen fly a ship up until that point take one of the precious few starships they had?
If they had plenty of ships, why did they send the guy who just walked in the door with no previous experience on the most important mission of their young rebellion’s existence?

Is there an official explanation as to why Red and Gold Squadron were essentially wiped out but there were probably one or two more squadrons at the Yavin ceremony that went unused?

To add on to this, what little we do hear about his piloting ability implies he should’ve been killed during the mission. He doesn’t seem to have an inkling of understand how to fly anything that wasn’t atmospheric (“I thought you said this thing was fast, why don’t you outrun 'em?”), let alone combat ready (“what’s that flashing?” when looking at the shield output. Even if his little T-16 had a similar layout to an X-Wing, I doubt that it had anywhere near same sort of sensory equipment)

All we have to go by with for his own flying ability up to that point is him boasting about his ability, and self boasting doesn’t mean much. It makes you wonder why Luke was brought along, if you’re not looking at it from a sense of narrative, in which case: Who else would you have as our PoV character in the climax?

This is why I wish our heroes weren’t wearing the same clothes during the briefing scene as they were the rest of the film. It would make it seem that a bit of time had passed and Luke could have had a a little training with the X-Wing. This is what happened in my mind. We don’t know how fast the DS moves, so it wouldn’t create any problems if Luke and CO. were on Yavin a couple days before the battle.

In the the 1981 radio play adaptation of ANH Biggs puts Luke through a flight simulator test which qualifies him to join the DS attack.

Ok, so he passes his driver’s test. But he passes over the other 45 or so experienced pilots that (eventually) show up? I’m hoping/guessing this will be addressed in RO as to where these pilots were/weren’t used as the DS1 bears down on Yavin.

I couldn’t find the radio play episode on Youtube, but here’s the summary of that scene from Wookieepedia;
“Luke joins Biggs Darklighter, who tests his flying abilities using a flight simulator. It is revealed by Commander Willard that Luke was only “killed” twice, despite Biggs pitting him against the virtual equivalent of the entire Imperial Starfleet. (Whether Willard was actually exaggerating or not is left for the listener to determine, though regardless Luke does well enough that the Rebels are willing to put him into a starfighter for the assault.)”

I also thinks that “experienced” is a vague term for the Rebel Alliance, especially at this point in time. Keep in mind that this is before the Rebels had a proper fleet.
And I seem to remember there being some excuse about a lot of the pilots not being overly experienced and/or a lot of them being on missions elsewhere, or something like that, but I can’t confirm that until I get to listen to the episode again.

(Of course the more blatant excuse is that Luke’s the main character. This kind of logical nitpicking probably wasn’t that much of a concern for either filmmakers or viewers back in the 70’s.)

Hardcore Legend said:

ZkinandBonez said:

Well, just remember that “close” is quite relative when dealing with a map that covers an entire galaxy.

Yeah, I get that. It is just further shrinks the Star Wars galaxy. I understand the need to have Scarif near Tatooine in order for the events of ANH to kick off.

Well, it isn’t exactly a very detailed map. There’s definitely a lot of planets in between the ones that’s listed. I imagine that the SW galaxy, much like our own, has billions of planets in it. And only a very, very small amount of those are populated, and of course the future of the EU will undoubtedly introduce many new worlds, so many simply remain ‘unnamed’. So it’s not exactly like Tatooine and Geonosis are just sitting there is space next to each other. And even if that was the case, the space between them would still be too vast for anyone on each planet to really care about the other, unless they specifically had a reason to travel there. But, again, the map above only lists the most relevant planets to casual SW fans (most of them are movie locations, with a few species- or TV-relevant worlds). I mean just look at this map from Legends canon.

ray_afraid said:

flametitan said:

Hardcore Legend said:

The Battle of Yavin (according to SW Wikia) involved 30 Rebel starfighters. All but 3 were destroyed.

I counted roughly 25 pilots (plus Luke Skywalker)in the briefing room.

The medal ceremony featured at least 45 pilots celebrating.

Does that mean that the Rebellion had around 70 pilots for the Battle of Yavin but only used less than half?
Did they all not have ships?
If there were limited number of ships, why did they let a moisture farmer who no one had seen fly a ship up until that point take one of the precious few starships they had?
If they had plenty of ships, why did they send the guy who just walked in the door with no previous experience on the most important mission of their young rebellion’s existence?

Is there an official explanation as to why Red and Gold Squadron were essentially wiped out but there were probably one or two more squadrons at the Yavin ceremony that went unused?

To add on to this, what little we do hear about his piloting ability implies he should’ve been killed during the mission. He doesn’t seem to have an inkling of understand how to fly anything that wasn’t atmospheric (“I thought you said this thing was fast, why don’t you outrun 'em?”), let alone combat ready (“what’s that flashing?” when looking at the shield output. Even if his little T-16 had a similar layout to an X-Wing, I doubt that it had anywhere near same sort of sensory equipment)

All we have to go by with for his own flying ability up to that point is him boasting about his ability, and self boasting doesn’t mean much. It makes you wonder why Luke was brought along, if you’re not looking at it from a sense of narrative, in which case: Who else would you have as our PoV character in the climax?

This is why I wish our heroes weren’t wearing the same clothes during the briefing scene as they were the rest of the film. It would make it seem that a bit of time had passed and Luke could have had a a little training with the X-Wing. This is what happened in my mind. We don’t know how fast the DS moves, so it wouldn’t create any problems if Luke and CO. were on Yavin a couple days before the battle.

In the the 1981 radio play adaptation of ANH Biggs puts Luke through a flight simulator test which qualifies him to join the DS attack.

Well, just remember that “close” is quite relative when dealing with a map that covers an entire galaxy.

Where Are Death Troopers, U-Wings, and TIE Strikers in the Original Trilogy?

I though this was a pretty interesting speculation video on how the Lucasfilm story group is going to justify all the new ships and troopers not having been seen in the OT.

This new TV spot has a very different take on the “I rebel” line; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AElDp0ArdRw

SilverWook said:

Yeah, aside from a shot of Luke’s X Wing in the Dagobah swamp, I don’t think we ever saw that in the OT. We saw the lights on Yoda’s face when it took off though.

I imagine that would have been very hard to pull off with miniatures and old blue-screen effects. At least convincingly anyhow.

Ronster said:

I have a feeling Lah’mu and Eadu are fake names one of them (Eadu) being Eriadu gran moff Tarkin’s home world.

Fake names?

This has to be on of the most stupid things that they’ve added to the new EU; https://youtu.be/uNESK9uqJYg?t=34

I suppose it might be meant as a throw-away joke (I haven’t actually read the book), but actually making it canon seems pretty silly to me.

Ronster said:

ZkinandBonez said:

Well, it could be that we only see the DS over Jedha. Since it’s already in ANH there’s no need for it to appear throughout the entire movie, especially since Scarif is where they steal the plans.
I guess it could show up at the very end though, but it sees weird that the DS would be needed at Scarif. It firing on Scarif would be pretty weird. But then again that’s the sort of crazy thing that the Empire might do.

I have a feeling that the plot will revolve around three missions; sabotaging some Kyber crystal mining on Jedha (or at least getting some info). The DS shows up to stop them and cover it’s tracks. Then they go to try to save Galen from Eadu. Perhaps they get some info from him there. And finally with this info they go to steal the plans on Scarif. That’s my guess anyway.

As for the early marketing teaser, well, that could simply be marketing. They would have had good reason to avoid spoilers at that time. I also think it was made even before they started shooting, so it could have been based on some early ideas. Also the teaser did show a jungle, and Scarif is in all the trailers shown has having many oceans/lakes with small jungle areas as opposed to the thick jungle shown in the teaser.

Ok so the Planet in the Flash Back is called LAH’MU

And you are right zkinandbonez EADU is the blue misty mountain planet. (Could it be a mistake and it is actually Eriadu? That is Moff Tarkins home world heavily polluted industrial planet)

I also think that SCARIF is also where the dish is fitted so the Death star will move after it get’s fitted on to Jedha.

Check this map

Yes,it does seem like Scarif will be the place where the DS got constructed, or at least partially constructed, after it left Geonosis. However it seem unlikely that it would return to Scarif after going to Jedha, as Scarif is definitely at the end of the film.

In that map however it doesn’t indicate that the DS went to Jedha at all however. Which is weird

SilverWook said:

And George does have a quirky sense of humor.

https://www.facebook.com/filmumentaries/videos/718205218328263/

flametitan said:

Supposedly a deleted scene. Probably for the best it went away.

Here’s the actual scene; https://www.facebook.com/filmumentaries/videos/717659151716203/

Btw, filmumentaries has recently been posted a ton of interesting BTS footage and deleted scenes from the OT on Facebook. One of my favourites is cockney Chewbacca.

dahmage said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

dahmage said:

ZkinandBonez said:

ray_afraid said:

ZkinandBonez said:

ray_afraid said:

ZkinandBonez said:

It firing on Scarif would be pretty weird. But then again that’s the sort of crazy thing that the Empire might do.

I thought when they destroy Alderaan in SW that it was the first time the superlaser was used.

Well, the RO trailer does show the DS firing on Jedha. However the super laser is most likely not fully operational at this point, hence it doesn’t blow up the entire planet and instead just causes a lot of destruction. I guess they did this in RO so that the DS can still be a big threat to the main characters without undermining ANH. Alderaan was simply the first test of the “fully operational” DS and its planet destroying capabilities. In RO it seem to only be capable of blowing up a city-sized area.

Ugh…

Why “ugh”? Like SilverWook said, it makes sense for them to test the unfinished laser. Also since the plot of RO seem to revolve around Kyber crystals from Jedha and Galen’s expertise on them, it makes sense that they would have a weaker laser during this film.

Also ANH characters constantly bragging about the “fully armed and operatinal” DS does mean that it should be unfinished in RO. It’d be silly if it just hovered over some planet all the time doing nothing.

this has mostly been my take as well. that shot from the trailer almost certainly is the death star in some low power mode / not working mode. and if it isn’t the death star, i would be slightly annoyed that there is some other amazing weapon we never heard of…

Expeditionary Battle Planetoid?

Death Star prototype?

Nocturnô?

Unidentified test unit Death Star?

i don’t know any EU stuff, but wouldn’t it be really confusing to have any of those introduced in a movie that is all about the death star?

Well it’s definitely the DS firing on Jedha in the trailer.

And it seems like they borrowed the idea of a low power test shot from Legends; https://youtu.be/O64vg5xEhkw?t=24

However it seems very unlikely that it’ll actually destroy Jedha (or any other planet), but rather that it will simply burn a pretty big hole into it. Essentially it will destroy just enough to be a big threat in the plot of this movie without contradicting or detracting from the plot of ANH.

Well, his sarcasm is hardly enough to stop some kids from potentially googling The Raid.

ray_afraid said:

ZkinandBonez said:

ray_afraid said:

ZkinandBonez said:

It firing on Scarif would be pretty weird. But then again that’s the sort of crazy thing that the Empire might do.

I thought when they destroy Alderaan in SW that it was the first time the superlaser was used.

Well, the RO trailer does show the DS firing on Jedha. However the super laser is most likely not fully operational at this point, hence it doesn’t blow up the entire planet and instead just causes a lot of destruction. I guess they did this in RO so that the DS can still be a big threat to the main characters without undermining ANH. Alderaan was simply the first test of the “fully operational” DS and its planet destroying capabilities. In RO it seem to only be capable of blowing up a city-sized area.

Ugh…

Why “ugh”? Like SilverWook said, it makes sense for them to test the unfinished laser. Also since the plot of RO seem to revolve around Kyber crystals from Jedha and Galen’s expertise on them, it makes sense that they would have a weaker laser during this film.

Also ANH characters constantly bragging about the “fully armed and operatinal” DS does mean that it should be unfinished in RO. It’d be silly if it just hovered over some planet all the time doing nothing.