ZkinandBonez

New alien concept art leaked. Codename "Rose" People seem to think that this might be an older design of the alien handing the lightsaber to Leia in the trailer. If that's the case then this could be quite close to what Maz Kanata might end up looking like in the film.

http://makingstarwars.net/2015/07/is-this-piece-of-concept-art-what-maz-kanata-looks-like-in-star-wars-the-force-awakens/

TV's Frink said:

The tattoos don't convince you?

 Tattoos?

towne32 said:

Looks like Ackbar and Nien Nunb are in TFA

http://www.starwars7news.com/2015/06/exclusive-first-look-at-three-characters-from-the-force-awakens.html

With all this talk of Serkis' and Nyongo's CG characters it so great to see that these two will make another movie appearance. 

I can get why Ackbar is in TFA, but it will be interesting to see why Nien Nunb is in it. Maybe he's become a general by now or something.

Marvel set to release a TFA prequel that takes place shortly after the battle of Endor.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/04/17/star-wars-celebration-new-details-on-marvels-shattered-empire-comic

Not that there was much doubt about Carrie Fisher being in the TFA trailer, but at least we can now see that the sleeve and black west match the wardrobe-fitting photo.

'That Hashtag Show' have leaked a picture which is apparently a photo of a wardrobe fitting for Carrie Fisher in TFA. 

http://makingstarwars.net/2015/06/star-wars-the-force-awakens-first-look-at-princess-leia/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMFhWXp_WAI

Any thoughts on this? They're referring to it as wardrobe fitting with Carrie Fisher, but I can't really tell if it is her. To me it looks like a somewhat older woman, but then again the quality if the image isn't very good so I could be wrong.

Some interesting fan theories and speculations about Snoke. Hardly ground-breaking stuff, but a fun read nonetheless.   

http://whatculture.com/film/star-wars-the-force-awakens-6-theories-about-andy-serkis-supreme-leader-snoke.php

One of the more plausible theories suggest that Snoke could simply be the supreme leader of a First Order planet/region, much like how Tarkin was a governor, or rather "Gradn Moff" of a star system.  
One of the more 'wild' theories is that he could be a member of the Whills. Very unlikely, but it would be funny if Kasdan/Abrams had actually dug up that old of an idea. I'm guessing that they based that idea of his lines from the trailer about feeling a change in the force.

Found some interesting tidbits from an Hungarian interview with Adam Driver's stunt-double; Toth Gyuala. The weirdest reference was in a The Mirror summary article which makes a reference to Toth having filmed "many of Driver's lightsaber battles." As far as the rumours that we have read so far, isn't Luke the only one people have suspected will appear in a duel With Ren? If there will be "many" lightsaber battles who would Kylo Ren be battling? There was that video some time ago that were supposedly a rehearsal for a scene where Kylo Ren fought several Jedi students. It was denied that it was SW related, but maybe we will at least see something similar regardless. Of course all this could just be a mistake by The Mirror writer.

More cryptically when asked if TFA would have PT-style duels or OT-style duels he simply said: "I can tell that it is not by chance that the title is The Force Awakens, the lightsabers will have a major role."

At least when asked about the use of practical effects and real sets he was much more specific:
"I think 70 percent of the scenery was actually built and could be touched." "Abrams really feels what the fans didn't like in the Prequels. He strove to capture the IV.V.VI. atmosphere. During filming, he worked through the tools of the old trilogy, and only marginally used the technology at present. In Abrams's film we can see sparkling effects if anyone shoots ray gun fire at something like a long time ago. And it is really good that he really made these sparks on the set."

Full interview:
http://www.starwars7news.com/2015/06/interview-with-adam-drivers-stunt-double.html

The Mirror article:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/star-wars-force-awakens-stunt-5860720

ZkinandBonez said:

ATMachine said:

To be precise, Mace Windy was the Jedi Master who mentored the narrator of the unfinished 1973 Journal of the Whills fragment, the apprentice Chuiee Two (CJ) Thorpe.

In his 1983 book Skywalking, Dale Pollock (who got a lot of things in the early SW drafts extremely confused overall) mis-typed the character's name as "Mace Windu," and GL adopted this latter spelling for TPM.

"This is the story of Mace Windy, a reviered Jedi-bendu of Ophuchi, as related to us by CJ Thorpe, padawaan learner to the famed Jedi."
The opening of Lucas' handwritten "idea fragment" that became SW.

It's weird to think about the fact that the OT could have been about a man called Mace Windy and his padawaan (two a's) CJ Thorpe. I can't help but appreciate how much work went into revising this first movie idea. He apparently re-wrote it for three whole years. Not to mention that it kind of gives us some insight into what went wrong with Lucas' writing in the PT. I think it's safe to assume that a lot less work went into it. Not to mention that ANH did have other writers polish some of Lucas' writing in the end.

http://episodenothing.blogspot.no/2013/07/the-story-of-mace-windy-how-man-who.html

To continue this line of thought; Dark Horse comics made a series out of Lucas' early ideas for "The Star Wars" a few years ago.

It's strange to think that Star Wars could have ended up looking a lot more like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sh5BzH3yPrU

ATMachine said:

To be precise, Mace Windy was the Jedi Master who mentored the narrator of the unfinished 1973 Journal of the Whills fragment, the apprentice Chuiee Two (CJ) Thorpe.

In his 1983 book Skywalking, Dale Pollock (who got a lot of things in the early SW drafts extremely confused overall) mis-typed the character's name as "Mace Windu," and GL adopted this latter spelling for TPM.

"This is the story of Mace Windy, a reviered Jedi-bendu of Ophuchi, as related to us by CJ Thorpe, padawaan learner to the famed Jedi."
The opening of Lucas' handwritten "idea fragment" that became SW.

It's weird to think about the fact that the OT could have been about a man called Mace Windy and his padawaan (two a's) CJ Thorpe. I can't help but appreciate how much work went into revising this first movie idea. He apparently re-wrote it for three whole years. Not to mention that it kind of gives us some insight into what went wrong with Lucas' writing in the PT. I think it's safe to assume that a lot less work went into it. Not to mention that ANH did have other writers polish some of Lucas' writing in the end.

http://episodenothing.blogspot.no/2013/07/the-story-of-mace-windy-how-man-who.html

TV's Frink said:

timdiggerm said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

ZkinandBonez said: 

Someone should make a list of PT elements that Lucas borrowed from the EU. The multi-coloured lightsabers already seems to have been in the EU first, and so does several aliens (Dexter from ATOC is apparently based of an alien from SW Droids) so it seems like it would be quite a long list. 

The double-bladed lightsaber and Aayla Secura would definitely have to go on the list. 

The name "Coruscant" rather famously

 Pretty sure that was in an early Star Wars draft.

 The planet, yes, but not the actual name. That was made by Timothy Zahn (author of the Thrawn trilogy).

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Coruscant#Coruscant_chosen_for_the_films

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Coruscant#Behind_the_scenes

I was just watching a few scenes from ANH to waste some time when I noticed this thing in the background of Mos Eisley which looks very similar to the engine we saw behind BB-8 in the TFA trailer. I just thought it was kind of funny since the there's so many articles and videos circulation the web right now where everyone insists that it's actually a pod-racer engine. I guess everyone's just paranoid about there being the slightest of references to the PT.

John Doom said:

I just wanted to quote Obi-wan's joke about Windu, sorry I didn't make it clear.

Anyway, that trailer is from Detours, a show that was in development before Star Wars' acquisition, and was actually cancelled by Disney to develop Rebels :D

 Right, my bad. I guess it's not really in Disney's best interest to make fun of the franchise they've just acquired.

John Doom said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMVrMP8us6Q&feature=youtu.be&t=155

Well, I guess Disney have to do anything they can to make back those 4,6 billion they spent on buying SW.

(Also is that Seth MacFarlane voicing the Emperor again?)

SilverWook said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

ZkinandBonez said: 

I also find it especially funny now when a lot of people are now criticizing Disney's decision to make several Anthology films. Someone should remind them that they made Ewok films back in the 80's and that no-one have really given a damn about it in the past 30 years.

Hmm ... This makes me wonder if the Ewok films'll be rebranded Anthology films in future releases. 

 I want them to make a third one where Mace, (the other one) is actually still alive, and had gone all Col. Kurtz with the Duloks.

Hang on a minute. The name Mace originally comes from the Ewok movies?
Someone should make a list of PT elements that Lucas borrowed from the EU. The multi-coloured lightsabers already seems to have been in the EU first, and so does several aliens (Dexter from ATOC is apparently based of an alien from SW Droids) so it seems like it would be quite a long list. 

SilverWook said:

Wicket could be the senator from Endor or something. Maybe he reunited with Cindel, and they're happily married now? ;)

Lol, I had to google who Cindel was. I find it so weird that they actually made two Ewok movies back in the 80's.

I also find it especially funny now when a lot of people are now criticizing Disney's decision to make several Anthology films. Someone should remind them that they made Ewok films back in the 80's and that no-one have really given a damn about it in the past 30 years. Sure a Boba Fett is of a very different caliber, but decades from now I don't think anyone is going to take it any more serious then The Clone Wars or the SW Rebels series.

Not the most convincing rumor I've read so far, but definitely one of the more amusing ones:

http://makingstarwars.net/2015/06/is-wicket-in-star-wars-the-force-awakens/

The real question is, would Wicket still be around 30 years later. I always imaged Ewoks would age in dog years or something similar. Or are they like Wookies that live for freaking centuries.
I never really understood that aspect of sci-fi, why does everything non-human always live for so long? 

pablumatic said:

ZkinandBonez said:

SilverWook said:

Is this the first SW film to have it's own alcoholic beverage? ;)

 What's up with C-3PO's red arm? He's got like a Hellboy thing going on. 

 I think even earlier in this thread there's been speculation about Threepio having a red arm in the sequels from some photos of some chairs that a company was producing.

Nobody was sure if his arm was red or if it was a red light reflecting off his arm. Now we know C-3PO has had yet another spare part added.

So Leia can't simply afford a new arm for him? Or having it spray-painted gold at least. Isn't she supposed to be the leader of the New Republic or something in the sequels? I can get the silver leg in the OT, because back then they were basically just a guerrilla army with very few resources. Hopefully we will get a logical explanation for it in the film.

darklordoftech said:

Regarless of colors, the prequels had too many lightsabers on screen at once and too many lightsabers period. Characters also used their lightsabers too often. The rarify of lightsabers was a major part of their charm in the OT. This is one of the reasons that I hope that there aren't many lightsaber-users in TFA.

I know what you mean. In the OT the lightsaber was always something spectacular since you saw it so rarely. And it was a rare sight in the actualy story/canon as well. The idea of the almost exterminated Jedi knights always felt so much more exiting to me then a galaxy full of what is basically just space cops with laser-batons. Which is basically how I always felt about the PT Jedi. Even as a kid, when I was a lot less skeptical about movies in general, I always felt that the big battle at the end of AOTC really sucked out the mystery and wonder of the lightsaber. It just became another weapon. For all it's flaws TPM did at least show them sparingly(-ish). 

As for the TFA rumours; there will most likely not be any more than three lightsabers. There's obviously Kylo Ren's cross-saber, Luke's old lightsaber which probably will be used at some point, and if the rumours are true we will very likely see Luke's green saber in action again. So I guess we'll get something in between TPM and ROTJ.

pittrek said:

Wasn't this thread about a movie? Something Star Wars related?

We're just wasting time arguing about Star Wars lore until something new is revealed about TFA. Just boredom and impatience, that's all.

John Doom said:

Anyway, I don't like the "RGB color scheme" either, but I think it would be funny to have lightsabers of whatever color too. I liked KOTOR's idea that every color is associated with a specific jedi role, but it annoys me that the sith (why do they even exists!?) are supposed to wield red lightsabers.

Well as far as the EU is concerned there is an explanation for that. Apparently red crystals are more compatible with dark side energy, as well as being synthetic which is due to the Jedi having exclusive access to the planet were lightsaber crystals are naturally occurring. And as you said all the jedi colours have since been given different roles and hierarchies. 
Over all it's like all Star Wars these days, way to caught up in it's own lore. In the first two films it was simply. Good guys = blue, evil guys = red. And then they threw in green to add some variation. The fans got really anal about why it was green, so the EU came up with an excuse for it.

Similarly we have the blaster bolts which have since the very beginning been in practically all the colours of the rainbow, for no other reason than to look cool. Of course the EU/fans have come up with some explanations there as well.

EU (and fan) explanation of lightsaber colours:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTKaWcpyBdY 

Fan explanation for blaster bolt colours:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jifGMZBz65k

SilverWook said:

Is this the first SW film to have it's own alcoholic beverage? ;)

 What's up with C-3PO's red arm? He's got like a Hellboy thing going on. 

DuracellEnergizer said:

ZkinandBonez said:

"The RGB colour scheme of the prequels"? The OT only had RGB, the PT added colours like yellow and purple into the mix. Of course Dark Forces II predates the PT, so technically they borrowed it from the EU.

I consider the RGB colour scheme a product of the PT because the OT never officially established red, green, and blue as being the only lightsaber colours anyone was allowed to use. Sure, those are the only lightsaber colours which make an appearance in the OT, but there are also only three lightsaber wielders in the entire trilogy, so there wasn't any opportunity to showcase a larger spectrum of colours in those films. 

As for yellow and purple lightsabers appearing in the PT:

1. Only Windu -- out of all the Jedi/Sith in the movies -- has a purple lightsaber. He's basically the exception that proves the rule.

2. There are no yellow lightsabers in the PT. Yellow lightsabers made their first "canon" appearance in TCW.

I guess you're right. It was always the EU content that had the most different coloured lightsabers. Despite all the unconventional elements of the PT, it was surprisingly conservative with the lightsaber colours.
However as for the whole Kyle's blue lightsaber thing; I'm going to have to look more into that. But I won't say more about that here, because we really are getting off-topic on this thread. 

Tobar said:

Mmmmm......Kyle's dad was a Jedi in hiding. Kyle discovered his Force potential through the story of DFII. The tie-in novels are an expanded retelling of DFII. The first saber he wields is his father's as depicted in the game. 

The green saber didn't belong to his father but another jedi which was his friend. Kyle's father had Force powers but never became a jedi. Also when Kyle picks up his old lightsaber from Luke on Yavin IV in JK II Jedi Outcast he picks up a blue lightsaber with a different looking hilt than the one he had in DF II. DF II also makes references to Kyle having fallen to the dark side, suggesting previous experience with the jedi. I think this past experience was used as an excuse for how he managed to develop his powers and skills so quickly. Or rather re-develop. It's not really important to enjoy the game, but it does fix some "plot holes" that were necessary to make the game more interesting.

Also I think we should change the subject before Frink goes into conniptions.

DuracellEnergizer said:

ZkinandBonez said:

Kyle's lightsaber was always blue. Except for in Dark Forces II, but that wasn't his lightsaber. That belonged to Qu Rahn.

And then he got hold of Yun's lightsaber, which was yellow.

Probably the only reason they later decided to saddle him with a blue saber was to conform to the shitty RGB colour scheme from the prequels. They did that to virtually all the EU Jedi directly before and after AOTC came out, regardless of whether those characters appeared in the PT -- or the PT era -- at all.

"The RGB colour scheme of the prequels"? The OT only had RGB, the PT added colours like yellow and purple into the mix. Of course Dark Forces II predates the PT, so technically they borrowed it from the EU. 

Kyle Did however have a blue lightsaber before he found the Green one. Dark Forces II never really explained how Kyle developed his force powers and lightsaber skills so quickly throughout the game because they released a tie-in novel(s) around the same time to explain that he was a jedi before the events of the DF II (and after DF I). So he technically had the blue lightsaber first.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Dark_Forces:_Soldier_for_the_Empire