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skyjedi2005 said:

I can say something nice about howard the duck, Lea Thompson is in it,lol. 

Howard The Duck was way ahead of its time.

When HTD came out in 1986, the only successful superhero film franchise at that time was Donner/Reeve Superman, and even that was starting to fade out.  Burton/Keaton Batman was still three years away and the modern era of superhero films that started with Blade and X-Men was another 10 years after that.

Howard is also a very "out there" character - you can't explain him in one sentence and expect someone to "get it".  He's not your traditional hero with powers and a costume.  The only people who were able to really tune in to it (like me) were ones who knew enough about the character to run with the concept but not enough to nitpick the details that had to be changed/deleted/ignored for the transition to film.

The film also took a hard left about halfway thru with the whole Dark Overlord aspect which again, if you weren't a bit of a sci-fi comic book geek going in, was just going to throw you for even more of a loop.

Had HTD come out 20 years later in 2006 in the midst of all the other superhero films, it would have been much better received - nowhere near as high as Nolan/Bale Batman or even Raimi/Maguire Spider-Man, but it would have probably held its own against FF, Daredevil, Elektra and HellBoy.

Harmy - I don't know if this has come up elsewhere since you have separate threads for each film, but now that they're all out and you did case art, how about some accompanying disc art?  And if you really feel ambitious, how about a Trilogy cover for those of us that want to put them in a single three disc case?

At this point, the bonus discs are the only reason to get this set at all.

Technically I was raised Catholic but over the years I've come to view religion as more of a suggestion than a requirement.

In the end, all religions seek to accomplish the same thing - at best, teach people how to be nice to each other; at worst, brainwash them into living their lives (and dying, depending on the individual or group in charge) the way someone else tells them to.  Where you land between those extremes depends on how well-balanced you were to start with.

Matticon said:

I think that the original trilogyhas been tinted blue so that when George Lucas looks at them through his rose tinted glasses the colour is correct.

ROFLMAOPIMP!!!!!!!

How did I know skyjedi would be the first to respond?  :-\

Every sci-fi film goes through development phases when ideas are pitched, twisted around and then either included or discarded.  The Force/Kiber Crystal thing was back in the treatment & writing phase - I don't think Kurtz was involved that far back.

I also agree that a large part of the PT was "look at all the toys we have", both literally and figuratively.  I don't deny that the "unlimited power" he gained towards and during the PT compounded the problem, what I'm trying to figure out is when and where did the "make the kids happy" mentality start?

I posted this over in Ady's ESB:R thread but as it's kind of off on a tangent, I re-started it as its own thread.

It started with the mention of the Falcon cockpit shots being cropped in tighter on the '04 discs to make it looked more cramped.

doubleofive said:

Ripplin said:

Why would they even do something like that in the first place?

Something about Kersh building a new cockpit that wasn't as cramped as Lucas wanted (I think it was in Rinzler's ESB), so he must have decided to make it look smaller in 2004.

More and more I think there are three reasons why Lucas has gone wild trying to "dumb down" the OT and why the PT came out the way it did...

his kids.

He built up a family in the intervening years between the trilogies and in raising them, he probably got himself into the habit of talking down to them, having to simplify everything and make everything they encounter glaringly obvious instead of challenging them to put some thought into things.  This attitude carried over to the films starting with the SE's in 97 and only got more extreme as the PT came together and he futzed with the OT more for the DVDs.

Hence, we get all this justification for "wanting" to zoom in the cockpit shots to make them look more cramped, "wanting" to show the Wampa, "wanting" to show Vader's shuttle bringing him back to the Executor, "wanting" Greedo to shoot first, "wanting" to show Jabba in ANH, and so on.  I think that he doesn't really "want" to make these changes, but somewhere in his head he thinks he "needs" to change things to make the films easier for kids to understand.  "I always wanted it that way" is an excuse that nobody can argue with him about, so that's what he goes with when someone challenges him because he's afraid to admit the truth in public.

doubleofive said:

Ripplin said:

Why would they even do something like that in the first place?

Something about Kersh building a new cockpit that wasn't as cramped as Lucas wanted (I think it was in Rinzler's ESB), so he must have decided to make it look smaller in 2004.

Not to get off on another tangent, but more and more I think there are three reasons why Lucas has gone wild trying to "dumb down" the OT and why the PT came out the way it did...

his kids.

He built up a family in the intervening years between the trilogies and in raising them, he probably got himself into the habit of talking down to them, having to simplify everything and make everything they encounter glaringly obvious instead of challenging them to put some thought into things.  This attitude carried over to the films starting with the SE's in 97 and only got more extreme as the PT came together and he futzed with the OT more for the DVDs.

Hence, we get all this justification for "wanting" to zoom in the cockpit shots to make them look more cramped, "wanting" to show the Wampa, "wanting" to show Vader's shuttle bringing him back to the Executor, "wanting" Greedo to shoot first, and so on.  He doesn't really "want" to make these changes, but somewhere in his head he thinks he "needs" to change things to make the films easier for kids to understand.  "I always wanted it that way" is an excuse that nobody can argue with him about, so that's what he goes with when someone challenges him because he's afraid to admit the truth in public.

What do you mean "uncropping" the cockpit shots?

Harmy said:

I replaced the link in the cover post with a link to ful res covers with fixed spelling:

http://www.uloz.to/9987782/deed-covers-final-rar

 Could someone please run those through IMANDIX for me (or something similar - you know a program that puts them into BD boxes automatically). Ideally with the forum colour background.

Are these still available?  I keep getting "Stranka nenalezena!", whatever the hell that means.

The third ANH link only brings up the preview pic again, not the actual cover.

Right click, View Image - her name is in the file name.

Rebecca Linares

http://thechive.com/2011/08/01/set-phasers-to-find-her-34-photos/

A whole collection

AOD TV cut has been available for a while, more or less.  Hit FE.org and look for "Primitive Screwhead Edition".  He's got the TV footage in there.

I'm going to kill the disc plan but keep the streaming.  There's very few discs I have on my queue vs 60 or 70 streaming titles.  If I liked the movie that much, I'll buy the disc, so I use the streaming to see stuff I wouldn't bother buying the disc for.

What do you mean rotate the TIE cockpits?  You mean the window behind the pilots that doesn't exist on the exterior?  I think the easier solution would be to insert some kind of wall behind the pilots rather than re-design the TIE.

http://figuredreams.awardspace.com/screamin-1-4/Yoda.htm

This was the first thing I thought of when I read the title.

PMs sent to both of you.

adywan said:

Just a little test . Probably not going to appear in ESB:R as it takes ages to do one shot:

DOWNLOADABLE 720p VERSION

YOUTUBE VERSION

Conceptually and technically it looks fine, but something about it feels wrong as far as the timing and frequency of when they occur.  They should only happen on "big" breaths, when a character emphasizes a certain word or does some kind of frustrated "huff".  Regular speech doesn't generate enough breath to produce much vapor on every word.

themraxeman said:

Here is a pic of it

If you want it to feel like a real DVD cover you need to come up with something else for the second paragraph.  The first one is fine, the second literally spoils the end of the film.

Spyderbyte said: I have no idea if these are printable they are large but i dont use cover art for printing purposes so if anyone wants them i cannot make any promises. I use cover art for my visualizations using media browser for my media collection.

 

Standard procedure for DVD covers is 3240 x 2175 @ 300 dpi for a standard DVD case.  That makes the front and back covers 1535 wide each and the spine 170 wide

I've suspected for a while now that generalfreivous and skyjedi are secretly lovers.

_,,,^..^,,,_ said:

 

@Ziz

it's quite time-consuming do all those comparison... by the way,  I'm trying to do some other captures with different color settings, and the following pictures seems promising... but it is still not perfect :(

 

(the one without marking is the newer capture)

You don't have to do every source and script combination, just the top 2 or 3 contenders.

How about some more comparisons of other scenes with different color tones - Tantive, Death Star, Trash Compactor, Falcon, Yavin - pitting the Spanish one against your other top favorites? 

Yeah, I wouldn't call any of that "genius".  More like "retcon", somewhere in between "amazing coincidence" and "happy accident".