I always felt that the blue stun rings were done early in ANH production, before the budget and time crunch started to hit. Once they saw what it cost to do that more than once, they dropped it.
Then you'll need to mount it on the wall up where they can't reach it.
The hard box collectible versions are still available if you hunt for them. I've gotten for under $40 a season so far. You just need to keep on top of sales and discount promotions. If you have to have it the day it comes out, you're always going to overpay.
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Auggie-Ben Doggie was a reference to a cartoon character named Augie Doggie.
And what would that caption be?
Well, I figured that covers (no pun intended) pretty much everyone's taste in color choices for the different versions unless you're an artist or photo editor of some kind, at which point you're making your own disc and cover art anyway.
Star Wars: Revisited Disc Art EXTREME!!!!
When someone asks me to send them a copy of SW:R, I make it a multi-disc set - DVD9 is the "Full" version and Purist Edition is the "Bonus" disc.
To that end, I created a plethora of disc art variations based on Ady's original and a modified Purist version in green posted by someone named "snaggletooth" earlier in this thread.
Well, here now in one 30MB RAR file is all 36 of my disc art variations. Well, 34 1/2. Ady's original is in there for the sake of completeness, but obviously I can't take credit for that version. I also created my own version of Snaggletooth's green Purist label so that the color tone would match the others.
All together, there are 9 different colors, silver and gold Star Wars logos and regular and Purist Edition markings. I didn't put any NTSC, PAL or Region Code markings on there, so they'll be accurate no matter which version you have. You can always add those yourself if you really want them.
Obviously you're biased toward Williams and don't care what people think of Kiner. Or rather, you care to the extent that they agree with you.
I was trying to level the playing field and compare Kiner to someone else on his level who's also done Star Wars music.
Forgive me for trying to be logical in your presence.
There is another way the industry could use fan edits to their advantage - as a source for hiring potential new editors for future projects. In effect, any fan-made artwork - edits, song parodies, DVD case covers, fan films, CG renderings, and so on - display that person's talents to the industry. Why isn't the industry then smart enough to look at this pool of talent and make job offers to them? Just because a film or TV show was produced by people who were paid to do it doesn't mean it was done well. There's always room for improvement to some degree.
The existence of a fan edit also doesn't eliminate the existence of the original. They're not being distributed in stores, selling better than the studio version. The size of the audience for fan edits is infinitesimally miniscule compared to the general population that buys and rents DVDs in the first place, so it's not like they're a threat from the perspective of confusing the public as to which is which.
The industry has such a selfish, controlling, dictatorial attitude that they manage to piss off the very same people they depend on to buy their wares in the first place. Coming down on any fan-based work that attempts to improve or build on the original in some way is like doing extra credit for homework and getting detention for your efforts.
skyjedi2005 said:Williams did write and score music for television even though he cannot be labaled as a tv composer, he was a movie composer of symphonic orchetstral scores. The Scale of his works written for the LSO is not even comparable to a small tv hollywood orchestra. Kiner is a tv composer, and as such writes for a different medium and his scores are tonally different completely.
You really suffer from a terminal case of Cranial Insertus Analatus, don't you?
Williams did PLENTY of TV scores early in his career, most notably the Irwin Allen 60's series Lost In Space, Time Tunnel and Land Of The Giants.
You're also not comparing them on the same level. Williams has twice the time in the industry as Kiner, so naturally his body of work is going to overshadow a lot of the younger guys.
The fair comparison is Kiner and McNeely, who did Shadows Of The Empire. Both of them have about the same amount of time in the industry, and both of them are re-interpreting Williams' work on the SW films for the projects they were assigned to.
That being said, the only reason McNeely might rate higher is because his score was done during a different attitude in the history of SW EU. Shadows was designed to look and feel like it was always a part of the SW universe but we just never heard about it until now. Clone Wars is trying for more of its own identity, part of SW but purposely having a different artistic style.
They probably did the Hoth scenes first then forgot to re-set the optical printer.
It's not as dead as you think. Someone described it as "on life support" - suffering from a terrible wound but slowly recovering. See this thread I started here.
I've been talking to boon and Ghostcut in the chat room over there. Their plans are to move the site to hosting services outside the US, with the first priority being the torrent files. RapidShare is already outside the US, so that's safe. Links won't be back until the whole site can be moved to a non-US host though. Until then, FE will be an "information resource" only.
Been talking to Boon in the chat room over there, he's already working out ways to bring the site back to life, albeit in a more secure from prying eyes fashion.
I think this place is safe for now because there's no edits here to download, just talk about them. FE had Rapidshare links and their own torrent site.
Their forums are still up though, www.faneditforum.com, just with links to FE downloads removed. There's already ideas circulating about how to bring things back, or at least some kind of partial revival.
Yet more proof that to the entertainment industry, money is just a smokescreen. What they want is ultimate control.
Remember a few years ago when the whole MP3/file sharing controversy started? Napster was at the center of it, accused by the RIAA as supporting piracy.
I saw a news special about the whole issue where one of the guys who developed one of the file sharing apps, Grokster, went to the RIAA and said "You want a legal file sharing system? We'll show you how." They turned him down.
Now look at the numbers. At its peak, Napster had about 80,000,000 users. If HALF of them signed up for an unlimited download service at a flat $10 a month, that's $400,000,000 a month - $4,800,000,000 a year - with virtually no material distribution expense of pressing CDs, printing artwork, CD cases, packaging or shipping issues.
RIAA turned it down.
They turned down $5 BILLION A YEAR.
Don't tell me they're concerned about the money, or even the "we own this, you don't" copyright argument.
This does not bode well.
SKot said:Did I mention how much I hate Flash?
What do you have against John Wesley Shipp?
(That may be a bit of an old reference for some people around here.)
Yeah, but the first thing Maul does upon seeing Obi and Qui is fire up his saber, so it's obvious he's not in the mood for conversation. O & Q's first priority at that point is self defense and disarm the enemy. Once they have him subdued, then they can question him. Unfortunately, it became a life-and-death struggle and they never got to that point.
The branching timeline/alternate universe thing is something they did on an episode of ST:TNG once. It was the one where Worf was shifting from one universe to another because of some technobabble frequency something or other from Geordi's visor.
At one point, Data explained it as "The results of every decision we make or don't make create an alternate universe and timeline, creating an infinitely branching universe and timelines where all possible outcomes occur in one form or another" - don't remember the exact dialogue, but that was the logic.
Rhikter said:Yesterday, I was thinking about a complaint I had read some time ago. Someone was arguing against the elaborately choreographed saber duels in the PT because they were not as passive as the ones in the OT. This reminded me of a comment about "Artistic License" I made some time ago.
I bring this up because some people need to seriously consider exactly what it is they're talking about when they make arguments like this "Saber Duel" one. We cannot think about forms of art - especially film - in a purely logical manner. As layman as it may sound, the fact is that, if we did, movies would be extremely boring and unoriginal. You must have a harmony between your artistic and logical vision. Yes, the battles in the PT could have be done similarly to those in the OT, but that would not have been artistically reflective of the world GL was trying to create for the PT; that is a world where the Jedi order is thriving and at it's highest. The elegance of the PT duels reflects this, just as the passive battles of the OT reflect a dark oppresive world where Luke received his training from an elderly Kenobi and Yoda, and Vader has asthma.
Actually, there's a very simple and logical explanation for the difference in fight styles between the trilogies.
"Real world" - on the OT, they just made it up as they went along and had a basic knowledge of fight styles but didn't worry about making it the "ultimate battle" because the focus was on who the characters were and why they were fighting, not the fight itself.
"In universe" - in the OT, the only people using sabers are two old men who haven't done it in 20 years who are way past their prime and a kid who's running more on instinct than training. In the PT, you've got young, strong Jedis at the peak of their careers and physical fitness, so naturally they're going to be more energetic and creative in their fight styles.
Uhfgood said:Thanks for that. I notice fanedit.org contains info on how to get these.
One more thing then, I've heard about this mysterious "Phantom Edit" -- so who do I talk to, to get a copy of that?
That's over at FanEdit, too. Click on "Star Wars" on the list on the right side over there and just start working your way thru the section.
jlw515 said:negative1 said:rcb said:where can i get adywans dvd version of anh revisited? i'll mail a check if i need to.
downloads : http://fanedit.org/517/
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Ok evidently I am doing something wrong. Even from the link you gave, I can't figure out how to download this thing. Is it only available for download or can I buy a dvd. And if its only available for download. How do I download the entire thing. The only thing I got from that link was like the opening menu to a dvd.
Jason
When you get there, scroll down past all the case artwork (those track listing inserts were created by yours truly, btw. Need to get them to put my name on it.)
Click on one of the links that says "100MB Archives", depending on the format you want. That will bring up a list of Rapidshare links. Click on those until you have all the necessary files.
Once you've got them all, use WinRAR (a Zip/UnZip type program) to open the #1 file. That will subsequently open the rest of them in sequence.
You'll end up with an ISO file (unless you got the XVID AVI version). Go into Nero or some other DVD burning program and choose "Burn Image to Disc". Put your blank in your drive, choose that ISO file and you're on your way.
So the question still remains how those of us without newsgroup access or torrent connections can get copies of these.
Anyone want to start a PIF chain?