Ziz

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeSSwKffj9o

Yeah, but no.  You have to look at the edit as if an audience is seeing it for the first time.  That scene is setting up a detail that pays off later in the story.  Without the setup, the audience doesn't have that "Aha!" moment with Doc later on - it becomes something that Marty just pulls out of nowhere and comes off looking like lazy storytelling.

What happened?

DF Shadow said:

 You guys! "It's a star" "It's a galaxy" "No It's a nebula!"

 

It's a floor wax AND a dessert topping!

http://www.zizolfo.com/anp215.jpg

I work from home, so no worries about company policy, but I still posted a safe version because of the forum.  The real version doesn't have the "digital figleaf" effect.

jswert123 said:

in reading this...i made some thoughts...in Part 1...remove any "visual" sign of jennifer......theres still mention of her when Marty's sister sais "jennifer parker called"  leave movie intact up till point where marty gets keys from biff and opens garage door..then jennifer (elisabeth shue) walks up and bout that time doc brown shows up they fly off into the sky and...cut away  part 2 credits and then cut to the flying thru traffic in the air and landing.....and continue from there..that solves to me the jennifer switcheroo

Can't do it.  Part of the set-up in the beginning of the film is when the woman with the "Save The Clock Tower" flyer interrupts Marty and Jennifer about to kiss.  That's the whole key to how Doc comes up with the grand finale - because Marty had the flyer in his pocket.  Without the Jennifer scene, where did Marty get this flyer from?

Sluggo said:

Nice!  That scene was made by my friend Brad and me about a decade ago.  The Tie bomber opening was stolen from Troops and the dub of Chief Bast was done by me.  

Importing footage from other sources may work in limited doses.  I guess it depends on how radical you want to make the edit.

Ziz, I think you have the right idea.  I would just be careful the matte replacements don't look too good.

You don't even have to fully replace the mattes, just play with the color balance and border blending between matte and live action elements, and maybe add some minor activity off on the edges...birds flying by or some such.  "Adywan-ize" them, so to speak.

I'd imagine the logical way to do it would be to start by removing any singing sequences.  The only music sequence that could maybe stay is Lumpy watching the acrobats.  Keep the cartoon.  Lose Harvey Korman, or at least cut his bits before they get repetitive.  Keep Art Carney doing his Norton schtick, since we still need a little humor in there and it's a nice nod to the actor's past work.  Replace the opening credits with a traditional SW style scroll.

Beyond that would be the technical stuff - replace all the FX shots so they're not just re-uses from the film and clean up some of the Kashyyyk outdoor mattes, and of course a sound mix to clean that up in spots.

Maybe this is the "cropping" you guys are talking about and just not describing it correctly but I also noticed there's a shift in the aspect ratio between the D and BD shots, but not literally a width/height difference.  Look at the shapes of things when you shift from one cap to the other.  The D-Theater shot is squeezed a bit left/right (or the BD is stretched, depending which you think is correct), so they're also doing something to the image proportions.

The BD is also zoomed out a little compared to the D-theater.  Look at the shot of the sleeping chambers.  In the BD, you can see the very top of the clear cover on Parker's bed.  On the D-Theater, it's cut off.  Very minor, but it's there.

Typo.  Corrected.

Jezuz tapdancing Christ.  Is there any movie you think WON'T be ruined by someone other than the original creator?  Maybe Star Wars or Indiana Jones...

oh, wait...

skyjedi2005 said:

people think i am being quite serious when in fact i am using a wry grin, cannot really see it online,lol.

If that's really your intention, try this fora  "wry grin" smiley...

',;-)

Knowing when you're serious and when you're joking will make your posts a lot more tolerable.

Rogue Leader said:

So in my opinion the T-47 could be the snowspeeder and "smaller modules into the transports" mean something like snowspeeder bikes? I don't see why not... Maybe they couldn't get them to work but they could pack'em up and use'em else where, thus "getting the smaller modules in to the transports". Mmmm... "but we don't SEE speeder bikes..." some would say... no we don't... but we know they exist (at least on the Imperial side lol). In a galaxy full of fun and fancy repulsor tech why use a smelly bipedal animals (other than the cool/interesting factor)? Mmm... ah well. In my mind it make sense... then again I am slightly crazy... =D So whatever.

In a roundabout way, you answered your own question.  Maybe they resorted to riding Tauntauns BECAUSE they couldn't get the speeder bikes to work in the cold.

Spanning spines are hard to do on Blu cases because they're more curved than standard DVD cases.

The way I understand it, it doesn't matter how high a resolution it's scanned at.  The issue is that the cleaning software can't always tell the difference between dirt and film grain, so it tends to fix problems that don't exist, thereby creating new problems.

How new or old is your media?  My dad recently had trouble writing a simple audio CD because the discs he had were a few years old.  Bought fresh discs and everything worked fine.  The dye apparently goes bad if you don't use discs very frequently.

I sat back thru this whole BmB flare-up, but since it's pretty much over, I figure I'll throw in my opinion just to close up the loose ends.

I try to consider both sides (or more) of any issue I'm confronted with where there's a difference of opinion.  I watched Ady's preview clips and dug out my DVDs to watch the original version.  I have to say I agree with Ady on this.

Honestly BmB, I tried to see it your way but I just couldn't get my head that far up my ass.

Check your PMs.

CO said:

The only wakeup call to Lucasfilm is if the BluRay set did terrible sales, but there are enough Star Wars fans out there who 'put up' with the Special Editions to buy it. 

Now I will say that because Blurays still arent in the average home the same way DVD's were, sales may not be as great as expected.  NOBODY I know has a Bluray player, even I don't have one, as I am so sick of re-buying my movies over and over.  Plus many people are waiting for digital downloads too, so it should be interesting to see the final sales.

But this is also one of those "game changing" releases that inspires certain people to finally give in and buy a player just so they can watch their favorite movie in the latest format.  The only other ones I can think of that will draw the same attention for their BD releases are the first three Indiana Jones films and E.T.

You converted this to DVD?  What was your source - a commercial VHS tape or a broadcast recording?

It's probably the PS2.  I made a copy of it for my nephew and he only had a PS2 at the time and it had trouble playing it.  Stuck the same disc in a regular DVD player and it worked fine.

Looks pretty accurate to me.

adywan said:

I didn't say i was planning on making the interiors more like the OT, i have said that i want some of the CG backgrounds to look less like a video game and more realistic by using real miniature sets

It's not even that they need to be replaced with miniatures, they just need some softer focus and a sense of depth.  That's the problem with a lot of CG, Star Wars or otherwise - they spent so much effort on it that they want you to see all their work so EVERYTHING is sharp and crystal clear no matter how close or far away from you it's supposed to be.

Check out this pic - http://www.foundation3d.com/gallery/data/512/Quiet_Night.jpg - everything in that shot is diffused and blended such that it doesn't scream "LOOK AT ME, I'M CG!"

You guys also seem to be forgetting that the OOT has already been somewhat restored as far back as the '97 SE.  Proof that the original versions exist intact is right in the 2004 box set.   Watch "Empire Of Dreams".  When they get to the point where they're talking about opening day and it cuts back and forth between clips from the film and everyone reminiscing about the day, all those clips are from the pre-SE version.  The proof of it is the opening crawl - it doesn't say "Episode IV A NEW HOPE" on it.

Lucas keeps EVERYTHING on file somewhere, somehow.  He's not gonna destroy the pre-SE versions of the film.   He knows that as soon as he does a decent release of the OOT that sales on the SE's will drop off the map.  He's probably got the OOT stored away with instructions in his will not to release them until the moment of his death, because he knows that that will be the point that he won't be able to stop someone else from releasing them against his wishes.