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#70091
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.: The Zion DVD Project :. (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/70091/action/topic#70091
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BadAsh - great post man. I wholeheartily agree.

The haloing (sp?) was there from the raw capture. I don't know if it's something that my LD player is introducing into the signal because it's old, or if it's a cable. I don't think it's a cable because I've tested it out with two different Monster Cables, and got the same result. It shows up a bit better than it should because of my sharpening filter, but it's a necessary evil since the sharpen makes the whole video look a hell of a lot better. I'm leaning towards two causes on this: A) the haloing is there on the disc, or B) my video connector is at fault. I'm leaning towards B because the connecter is loose, and upon further inspection the connecter loses the signal completely if I move it around enough. I may end up trying to acquire a new player if this becomes more of a problem.

Upon closer inspection, when viewing the raw avi, it appears that the haloing is a ghost of the previous frame. This means that it only shows up on things that are in motion, and it only lasts for one frame. I really only noticed it on the video because I was watching for it, so I would have to say it's hardly noticable at all, much less a distraction.

mistertones - Great idea. I've got a 4 day weekend coming up, so I'll probably have something up by Monday at the latest. Most likely it'll be a 2-3 second clip, full quality mpeg2.


Edit:

Upon even closer inspection, yes, there is some slight haloing on black objects (ie vader, leia's hair) that is also coming from the raw capture. This may also be a result of the video connector on my LD player. I'll try using the S-Video jack and see if it's any different.

And another thing I just noticed, looking at MEBEJEDI's captures, the halo is there also. Is it possible that all Faces LD's have this flaw?
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#69896
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***The "official" Screenshots feedback thread ***
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/69896/action/topic#69896
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Gavin-,

It all has to do with that little thing called aspect ratio. You'll notice that on both the TR47 and ISOMIX caps, they are both the same size. To my eye, they both appear to be straight transfers from the original source without any resizing. The reason they look squished is because the size of the pixels of 4:3 video are actually .9 rather than 1, if that makes any sense. On your television, they don't appear squished like that.


Zion why do you say we can't do an LD faces benchmark to compare these transfer along with potential restoration. Wouldn't that be the best way to see what is potentially lost in a transfer and what is added with color correction and clean-up? Its hard using the 2004 set as a mark when that cleanup process involves the 9th biggest supercomputer in the world with 1000's of Mac's daisychained...Lowry's work is pretty spectacular.


I only say that because a raw capture of the LD's looks really crappy to begin with and it will look different depending on who captures it and what software and hardware is used.
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#69792
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***The "official" Screenshots thread ***
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/69792/action/topic#69792
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Compare them to what? A picture of someones TV screen?

There really is no LD benchmark to compare them to, that's why Ash has the official DVD screencaps to compare. Those are the closest thing to a benchmark we're going to get (and a damn good one at that).



Oh yeah, I just sent Ash some screenshots to compare to the ones above. I'll let him post them, but here's one you can digest in the mean time:

http://www.aptirrelevance.com/videoprojects/images/ANH.fac.cmp.rgb.brt.02.jpg
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#69734
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.: The Zion DVD Project :. (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/69734/action/topic#69734
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I've never heard of PCM being a standard either. I always thought that some form of DD (2.0, 1.0, etc.) was the minimum standard for all dvd's.

What if the "spot" is from the laserdisc material itself?
Then it is a spot which came from the master and will be on all three captures, thus ending up on the output video. In this case, like noise, it will go through filters that will remove most of it, if not remove it completely. Spots like that are much less noticable during playback than big rainbowy laser rot spots.

Also, will you be encoding progressive, or interlaced ?


Progressive. Don't question it!
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#69711
Topic
.: The Zion DVD Project :. (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/69711/action/topic#69711
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Ash, that's probably why DVD requirements say you have to have a DD track as a minimum. That's a good point, and I'll probably keep that as the primary audio option, unless I do a 5.1 soundtrack.


Class316, the movie footage is from the Faces set. The only thing I'm using the Definitives for now is the bonus materials.

In order to achieve a rot spot free transfer, there is an AVIsynth filter called "TOOT" that will check three separate sources of video pixel by pixel and average the two most similar. So, for instance if I make three captures from three different ANH LD's and on one frame one has a rot spot and the other two don't, the output video will be without that spot. Using this method, I should be able to produce a transfer that is rid of all rot spots.
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#69630
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***The "official" Screenshots feedback thread ***
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/69630/action/topic#69630
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Not a problem. Just don't use the ones that are on my site at the moment, as they are not from my faces transfer. I'll pm you with new screenshots, just let me know which frames you want.

The reason why I'm focusing on ESB right now is because I don't have a copy of the faces version of ANH. I've got one coming in today though, so I'll have some screenshots made up for those ANH frames this week.

And one suggestion if I may. For the ANH frames you have up, it would really be more comprehensive to have some different scenes represented. Perhaps instead of three frames from the same scene, you could have a few different ones that would display how well the transfers do with dark scenes, bright scenes, and colorful scenes.
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#69611
Topic
.: The Zion DVD Project :. (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/69611/action/topic#69611
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Good point, however I beg to differ.

The major reason why I'm making these anamorphic is because I'm optimizing them for widescreen televisions. Keeping them in the original 4:3 aspect ratio, a 16:9 TV would have to zoom in to fill the screen. That resize process can be done much better by a computer, which is what happens in converting them to anamorphic. The image looks much better and you don't have to worry about zoom settings. Additionally, most traditional 4:3 TV's don't have good enough image quality to notice any quality loss when it shrinks down the anamorphic video. Besides, this project is about preservation, not optimizing for a dying medium.
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#69544
Topic
.: The Zion DVD Project :. (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/69544/action/topic#69544
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PROJECT UPDATE:

As some of you already know, I am putting my own personal project on hold while concentrating on the X0 Project. I will be returning to this project in time when the X0 is finished.</span>

OK, due to the ever-increasing amount of questions I’m getting about my project, and the large amount of pm’s I’ve recieved asking me to do so, I’ve decided to start my own thread.

Basically this thread will be a hub for you to follow my progress and ask any questions that you may have.

Please do not post any general comments/questions about bootleg DVD’s or preservation in this thread.

I am working on a laserdisc transfer of the 1995 “Faces” THX Star Wars Trilogy.

DVD Technical Specs

• 4 dual-layered discs (the 4th being the special features disc)
• 16:9 Anamorphic Widescreen Video
• Dolby 2.0 Surround
• Stereo PCM Audio
• Isolated music score
• Commentary
• Interactive Motion Menus
• Special Features: Everything included on both the Definitive Collection and “Faces” edition laserdiscs, more if there is interest.
• Custom Case and Disc Artwork (possibly chapter inserts)
• Easter Eggs

Equipment

• Faces Laserdiscs
• Official DVD’s (for menu creation and video reference)
• Pioneer CLD-D704 Laserdisc Player
• MSI TV @nywhere Master capture card and Virtual VCR (capturing)
• AVIsynth/VirtualDub (filtering)
• Adobe Premiere Pro (color correction, menus)
• TMPGenc/CCE (encoding)
• Sonic Scenarist (DVD Authoring)
• Adobe After Effects (menus)
• Adobe Photoshop (artwork, menus)

More in-depth info on my progress will be updated on my web site.

Screenshots | Menus | Artwork

In compliance with the forum rules, do not use this thread as a means to offer to purchase my DVD’s. Contact me via email or private message if you are interested in acquiring them, or just wait for them to show up on myspleen.net.

UPDATE:

DVD Menu Page has been updated with all sample vids for the intro, main, and options menus.

Discuss.

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#68892
Topic
The OT Cover Repository
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/68892/action/topic#68892
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OK, so I can't get the back button to work on your site with Firefox. But complaining about that goes against your "derogatory comment" at the bottom.

Anyway, I was thinking of submitting my covers, but they're not for any of the versions you have up there. I have finished versions of alternate TPM and AOTC covers, as well as some unfinished ones for the official dvd's. Would you be interested in these?
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#68884
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Info: OT Bootleg DVDs
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/68884/action/topic#68884
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Just a quick note, I won't be starting my own thread for my DVD's. My updates will be posted in this thread. More in-depth information on my progress will be updated frequently on my web site.

Thanks again to everyone who has shown interest in my project and supported me this past month - you know who you are. Because of you I've become a lot more motivated to get these finished and released to the masses.