Zion

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Post: #243852
Topic: So, a simple question....
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/243852/action/topic#243852
Time: 13-Sep-2006 7:42 PM

The term OUT comes from the Lucas marketing machine. It stands for Original Unaltered Trilogy, which is their definition of what these 2006 DVDs are.

Since the OUTs are not the true theatrical editions which Lucasfilm is advertising them to be, we have officially begun calling them the GOUT, which stands for George's Original Unaltered Trilogy. In essence, it refers to the 2006 DVD editions of the 1993 laserdisc versions. Check out the last couple pages of the X0 Project thread for how this came about.

To answer your question eros, nobody has posted any high quality screenshots from the R1 release yet, so it's hard to make a determination. I did not buy the DVDs, so I can't even give you my own opinion.

Post: #243727
Topic: Star Wars Limited Edition Screen Captures.
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/243727/action/topic#243727
Time: 13-Sep-2006 2:56 PM

We most certainly have a rabbit, a few pigeons, some handkerchieves, and a deck of playing cards up our sleeves. The game is far from over.

Post: #243725
Topic: This is all I wanted. I'm happy, no need for another OOT release EVER for me!
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/243725/action/topic#243725
Time: 13-Sep-2006 2:53 PM

Originally posted by: marioxb
Official release of the OOT, cool. Animorphic, shmanimorphic. I have a widescreen TV, but I actually got used to the black bars and get this, LOVE seeing black bars on widescreen movies.

Are you saying you love watching letterbox movies in normal mode, i.e. with bars on all four sides of the picture? The top and bottom bars are present on these movies whether they're presented in anamorphic or not.

Post: #243663
Topic: .: The XØ Project - Laserdisc on Steroids :. (SEE FIRST POST FOR UPDATES) (* unfinished project *)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/243663/action/topic#243663
Time: 13-Sep-2006 12:41 PM

We've known for a while that we weren't going to have our release done by the time the GOUT came out. So really this changes nothing. Things will continue as planned.

Post: #243560
Topic: First Impressions of the OOT ...
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/243560/action/topic#243560
Time: 13-Sep-2006 4:08 AM

Rubbish. There is no valid reason to suspect the retail DVD isn't authentic.
Watch the crawl again. Notice how the stars wobble and the words don't. I would say that's more than a valid reason to suspect the GOUT has a recreated crawl.

Several projects keep the uncompressed PCM audio from the LDs, which is better than the Dolby Digital used on the GOUT DVDs.

Have you got proof, or is this another assumption like your previous one about the crawl "almost certainly" being CG...

What proof do you need that uncompressed audio is better than 192Kbps compressed audio? It's a fact.

Post: #243556
Topic: Star Wars Limited Edition Screen Captures.
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/243556/action/topic#243556
Time: 13-Sep-2006 3:01 AM

Screenshots are up on the Screenshot Comparison Page

After looking at R2D2's screencaps, it would appear that the GOUT has slightly better detail than even Moth3r's PAL transfer. However, there is no doubt in my mind that this PAL release is sourced from the NTSC master. Just look at the way Moth3r's and Citizen's shots are framed compared to all the NTSC versions. The PAL GOUT is the same as all the NTSC versions. There is also no doubt in my mind that the opening shot was recomposited.

Originally posted by: R2D2
If I missed the desired frame, please post it here, I can fix that. If you need other screenshots from ANH, post it here, too.

I see a couple that appear to be the incorrect frame: Shot 10, and Shot 15. Both look like they're about 1 frame off.

If anyone has an NTSC version I would love to get screenshots of that one up as well.

Post: #243547
Topic: New Forum Software has recreated crawl?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/243547/action/topic#243547
Time: 13-Sep-2006 1:49 AM

You should post a link to the full size version so we can see your Original Vision.

Post: #243498
Topic: Tune Into G4 This Afternoon...
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/243498/action/topic#243498
Time: 12-Sep-2006 11:00 PM

LOL! That was freaking brilliant!

But not the AotS clip...

Post: #243495
Topic: Are the PAL GOUT DVDs upscaled from the NTSC masters?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/243495/action/topic#243495
Time: 12-Sep-2006 10:54 PM

It certainly does. Almost like they took the text and overlayed it with a new digital version. Comparing it with the Empire of Dreams crawl, you can definitely see the difference.

Post: #243492
Topic: The 2006 GOUT DVDs... Has anyone actually seen them yet?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/243492/action/topic#243492
Time: 12-Sep-2006 10:50 PM

Sluggo is correct. We should just rename General Star Wars Discussion to General GOUT Discussion for the next few days...

Now if you want to have a technical discussion about editing the DVDs or whatever, I have no problem with that here. But otherwise, let's keep the reactions and opinions over there.

Post: #243481
Topic: Star Wars Limited Edition Screen Captures.
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/243481/action/topic#243481
Time: 12-Sep-2006 10:40 PM

R2D2, thank you very much for the screenshots. Both you and boris have done a great service getting these up so quickly for everyone to see. I will return the favor by uploading these to my comparison site as soon as possible. That is of course if RapidShare will allow me to download all of those files. At present, it says I have exceeded my allowed limit and must wait 6 minutes to download the second file.

boris said:
By the way Zion, there's no such thing as an "uncompressed" JPEG... even a quality 100 JPEG saves colour at 1/4 resolution as it does brightness (the same as TV).

I used that terminology on the site, didn't I? I'll have to revise it.

Post: #243475
Topic: 2006 OT DVD: Well today's the day...
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/243475/action/topic#243475
Time: 12-Sep-2006 10:29 PM

Originally posted by: Mike O

Originally posted by: Zion
Too bad I can't actually merge threads. The new software will be here sooner than you think though...

You keep saying that

I mean it this time. Note the "Final Warning" thread stickied atop every forum.

Post: #243474
Topic: Tune Into G4 This Afternoon...
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/243474/action/topic#243474
Time: 12-Sep-2006 10:28 PM

Did anyone record this? Hopefully it'll show up on YouTube.

Post: #243473
Topic: New Forum Software has recreated crawl?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/243473/action/topic#243473
Time: 12-Sep-2006 10:25 PM

That is without a doubt a recreated crawl. You can clearly see a deliberate overuseage of fake film wobble.

Post: #243187
Topic: 2006 OT DVD: Well today's the day...
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/243187/action/topic#243187
Time: 12-Sep-2006 12:44 PM

Too bad I can't actually merge threads. The new software will be here sooner than you think though...

Post: #243183
Topic: 2006 OT DVD: Well today's the day...
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/243183/action/topic#243183
Time: 12-Sep-2006 12:39 PM

How many threads do we need asking people what they're going to do?

Post: #243163
Topic: 2006 OT DVD: The Crawl on Star Wars
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/243163/action/topic#243163
Time: 12-Sep-2006 11:37 AM

Originally posted by: boba feta
Gout Crawl.

I don't know if you guys realized this, but boba feta just posted the PAL version of the crawl in full quality. Thank you boba feta.

Post: #243160
Topic: Star Wars Limited Edition Screen Captures.
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/243160/action/topic#243160
Time: 12-Sep-2006 11:32 AM

You really should download VirtualDubMod and use it to capture your screenshots. PowerDVD cannot be trusted. It's obvious that your screenshots are all softer because of it. I appreciate all your effort though.

Post: #243042
Topic: 2006 OT DVD: The Crawl on Star Wars
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/243042/action/topic#243042
Time: 11-Sep-2006 9:20 PM

No, the EditDroid DVD has a recreated '77 crawl.

Post: #243040
Topic: Star Wars Limited Edition Screen Captures.
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/243040/action/topic#243040
Time: 11-Sep-2006 9:18 PM

Originally posted by: eros
X0 contrast seems a little bit overblown compared to the GOUT.

Well, then you'd have to say that the actual film looks WAY overblown compared to the GOUT.

Post: #243014
Topic: Mpeg 2 Encoding
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/243014/action/topic#243014
Time: 11-Sep-2006 7:15 PM

CCE is the best MPEG-2 encoder. It allows up to 10-pass encoding I believe, though most will tell you that anything past 6 is overkill and the difference is nominal. TMPEGenc is another good encoder, though I haven't used it in a few years. But if you have the means, definitely go with CCE.

Post: #242947
Topic: Star Wars Limited Edition Screen Captures.
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/242947/action/topic#242947
Time: 11-Sep-2006 4:25 PM

Originally posted by: vbangle
Of course, just by looking at his eyes you can tell that.... But measure from the forehead wound to his eyebrow...there is a clear difference there.
What I'm looking at is the proportions of his head...it just doesn't look right, to me it looks stretched out...
It may be nothing but I don't recall Vader's head
being that mis-shapened, even with him moving around....

Keep in mind that PAL has more vertical resolution, which would make the frame appear stretched on your computer.

Post: #242925
Topic: Star Wars Limited Edition Screen Captures.
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/242925/action/topic#242925
Time: 11-Sep-2006 3:28 PM

Can't really say unless we get a more accurate screencap from the OUT.

Post: #242920
Topic: Star Wars Limited Edition Screen Captures.
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/242920/action/topic#242920
Time: 11-Sep-2006 3:09 PM

Originally posted by: Moth3r
I wouldn't trust the output from PowerDVD to be accurate - I seem to recall in the past that it brightened the image. I'd prefer to get grabs from either DGIndex or VirtualDubMod.

Very true. I compared caps I made with PowerDVD to caps I made from VirtualDubMod and there is a clear difference. PowerDVD seems to want to rescale and recolor the image before it spits it out. What I always do when making caps is load the VOB file from the DVD into VirtualDubMod, select "copy source frame to clipboard", and then paste into Photoshop and save to the desired format - either 100% quality JPEG or PNG.

Post: #242396
Topic: Idea: Personalized preservation possible with September 2006 OT DVD's
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/242396/action/topic#242396
Time: 8-Sep-2006 11:32 PM

Well at least you got off to a good start. I'm sure this thread has both inspired others to pick up where you left off, and given them some good ideas of how to go about it.

Originally posted by: boris
I just stumbled upon this page:

http://pigseye.kennesaw.edu/~dhirschl/starwars/

it might help

Also check out this thread for comparisons of similar fonts and the names of a few that are more accurate.